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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 11, 2010 07:30 AM |
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I had not considered such a lethal use for bazookas..
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Vangelis21
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Manchild
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posted August 11, 2010 07:44 AM |
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yeah sure. other lethal hits you can use:
choking someone with your bow string
hitting on the head someone with your hand grenade
some heroes related suggestions:
block enemies archers with your archers!
don't shoot with your arcanes so that the enemy gets confused and worried
etc
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bloucester
Famous Hero
MSN can go to hell
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posted August 11, 2010 07:58 PM |
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Quote:
don't shoot with your arcanes so that the enemy gets confused and worried
etc
I did something like that to confuse Elvin. Didn't work though. I ordered my archangels to wait while standing over a fire wall...
Imperial griffins.
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Fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 11, 2010 09:29 PM |
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block enemies archers with your archers!
maybe you can try that with centaurs maraudeurs 
or with titans, since they can still cast even if blocked.
aren't battle griffins supposed to be blockers?
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Vangelis21
Supreme Hero
Manchild
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posted August 12, 2010 08:07 AM |
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I think those two creatures have been discussed enough! how about discussing more pairs of creatures? If the mods permit us we could start a new thread with comparisons of several creatures and upgrades
what do you think?
EDIT in order to to lose post count: no i want you to bump your head somewhere!
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted August 12, 2010 09:21 AM |
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Been done at least twice. Want me to bump up the appropriate thread?
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Endelite
Hired Hero
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posted August 12, 2010 07:30 PM |
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'Tis about time someone *cough I cough* fixed the vampire balance
Well, I'm back after a multiple year break, but I'll add some brief thoughts.
Yes, I've also voted for the Imperial Griffins, but I have my own balance 'patch' which I have continually worked on ever since patch 3.1.
Honestly, I think a lot of people would agree with plenty of it, but, as you know, people are picky about different things, sometimes prefer different methods of balancing to the ones I may use and, of course, some people have a very biased perspective of what is 'balanced', unintentionally favouring their favourite teams' units.
My changes do not affect either griffin at the moment, but do include an increase to the attack, defence and initiative of Vampire Lords by +1 and suitably balance Nosferatus' kin by lowering the "ProcFactor" from 3 to 2, changing the base chance for torpor to trigger from 75% to 50%, which means it certainly doesn't work all of the time, although still a slight majority, I would say. This makes Lords just that bit better than Princes at regularly draining health and with a slightly better regular damage output (as well as a smidgeon of extra defence to help compensate for the 35:40 hp ratio). Against Academy or another Necropolis, with few or no units to drain health from or to put to sleep, the 'no enemy retaliation' ability and 12 initiative will be much more useful.
So, from my perspective, as things are for ME, they are more balanced...but yes, Imperial Griffins can be preposterously fun. I have a screenshot of a stack with 29 initiative due to the following:
¤ - 15 base initiative
¤ - Ring of Speed (yes, that rather helps)
¤ - Maeve cast Expert Level Haste on the stack, at level 23? 21-24 anyway.
Without such high initiative though, sometimes, the extra turns for griffins are annoyingly timed; you may tell them to wait, because you want one enemy stack to come a bit closer, but the griffins get their next turn...immediately again as a result. So you press 'w' for 'Wait' again and suddenly the griffins are going to act far later. >_<
Between the two timings, I say!
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tyraxor
Adventuring Hero
Ruler of the burning Desert
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posted September 15, 2010 04:39 PM |
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I voted for the Vamp lords.
Because of the life drain ability,
and he looks awesome of course.
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Vangelis21
Supreme Hero
Manchild
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posted September 16, 2010 06:25 AM |
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yes because draining life and looking good wins games...
the fact that the griffin will be playing more often and will never be seen? we have said that such a comparison is not realistic.
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Fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 17, 2010 03:26 AM |
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in previous heroes games, vampires won games. well, especially in H4, but in H2, they were no joke either.
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