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posted May 30, 2010 12:53 PM |
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Occasionally having a good song helps but Eurovision warps results horribly. It's a joke and as such can't be taken too seriously.
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posted May 30, 2010 01:17 PM |
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Alc, are you serious? The Germany song was sh**house!!!
The whole competition really is flawed because politics is involved. Like has been said before, countries WILL vote on countries that are right beside them. What happened to just voting what was a legit good song? Germany shouldn't have really won because that song was crap.
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posted May 30, 2010 03:03 PM |
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Here's hoping Ireland will finally manage to get with the times next year and pull out of the contest until it becomes a legitimate singing competition again.
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alcibiades
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posted May 30, 2010 03:47 PM |
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Alc, are you serious? The Germany song was sh**house!!!
The whole competition really is flawed because politics is involved. Like has been said before, countries WILL vote on countries that are right beside them. What happened to just voting what was a legit good song? Germany shouldn't have really won because that song was crap.
That's your oppinion. I think it was an excellent track (as ESC songs go). Obviously, I was not the only one who had that oppinion.
If you look at the politics, it was not only friendly or neighbouring countries that gave Germany points, in fact France only gave Germany 3 points and UK gave them 4 points.
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posted May 30, 2010 03:51 PM |
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There was that little World War thing that they might be sore about.
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posted May 30, 2010 03:59 PM |
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A good song? You've got to be kidding me. It was modern crap. It's not good. It's just bloody crap. Her singing is like rap. Bare in mind, I don't mind rap like vocals, but this was horrible. I'm sorry Alc if I actually listen to decent music.
Eurovision is going rapidly down hill and I am worried and find it horrifying that this is the music of the future.
What a crock.
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posted May 30, 2010 06:49 PM |
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If someone's interested in hearing my two cents about the Winner, feel free to visit my thread in Survivor Sucks (a Survivor Forum where I post often), where I'm doing an Eurovision Winner Ranking. (you'll need to scroll down a bit, as the ranking starts with post #411)
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posted May 30, 2010 09:27 PM |
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A good song? You've got to be kidding me. It was modern crap. It's not good. It's just bloody crap. Her singing is like rap. Bare in mind, I don't mind rap like vocals, but this was horrible. I'm sorry Alc if I actually listen to decent music.
Eurovision is going rapidly down hill and I am worried and find it horrifying that this is the music of the future.
What a crock.
Only because no synthesizer is involved, doesn't mean a song is crap..
And this song is already no.1 in german charts for weeks....
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posted May 30, 2010 10:51 PM |
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Do you have any idea how many songs I actually listen to that I love that do NOT have synthesizers involved? You may be thinking of me back in 2006 when I listened to just synthesizer music but I listen to a lot more rock music now. =\
And it's number 1? Well good for it. I guess that must mean it's awesome? I guess Lady Gaga being number 1 is awesome too? No, it's just mainstream crap, that all the teenagers will like. Where's the real music gone? Being number 1 doesn't necessarily mean it's a good song. You do realise this right?
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posted May 30, 2010 10:55 PM |
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You do realise that people have many different perceptions on what makes a "good" song?
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posted May 30, 2010 10:58 PM |
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Yes thank you I am aware of that. But go on smartarse, tell me how it was good? You realise that most of the greatest songs in the world were hardly recognised at the time, and some of them still aren't recognised? If you and others think that this music is any good, get your bloody heads checked.
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posted May 30, 2010 11:21 PM |
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Do you have any idea how many songs I actually listen to that I love that do NOT have synthesizers involved? You may be thinking of me back in 2006 when I listened to just synthesizer music but I listen to a lot more rock music now. =\
And it's number 1? Well good for it. I guess that must mean it's awesome? I guess Lady Gaga being number 1 is awesome too? No, it's just mainstream crap, that all the teenagers will like. Where's the real music gone? Being number 1 doesn't necessarily mean it's a good song. You do realise this right?
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posted May 30, 2010 11:28 PM |
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Yes thank you I am aware of that. But go on smartarse, tell me how it was good? You realise that most of the greatest songs in the world were hardly recognised at the time, and some of them still aren't recognised? If you and others think that this music is any good, get your bloody heads checked.
Yes still post from the point of view that because you find it crap, it IS crap. I happened to find it good. I also happen to find Lady Gaga excellent, for the record. Maybe there is a connection here? Lots of people find Lady Gaga good, and buy her records, and she goes nr. 1. Lots of people found the German song good, and it ended up nr. 1. Mystery solved.
And if you really want to go down that road, there is no such thing as an objectively "GOOD" song. Good and bad are always subjective terms, and hence not open for discussion. But you can make statistics on individual's preferences ...
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posted May 30, 2010 11:30 PM |
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Mate, when I write, it's my own personal bloody opinion. You can take it or leave it but I'm not saying as a fact that everyone must agree that it is crap. I think it's crap, and that's that. So what if it's number 1? That doesn't mean it's a good song and I know people who also think the same. Surely you MUST know that? Any one with at least semi good knowledge about music would know that.
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posted May 30, 2010 11:39 PM |
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So what if it's number 1? That doesn't mean it's a good song and I know people who also think the same. Surely you MUST know that? Any one with at least semi good knowledge about music would know that.
See, the point is that this sentence doesn't make sense on the bottom of it. Surely, someone must think it's a good song if it goes #1. You assume there's some sort of ellite taste ("any one with at least semi good knowledge about music"), but there's nothing that dictates that just because you've heard 100 records or 1000 records or even 10.000 records that your taste is any better - or your oppinion worth anything more - than that of the common man on the street.
You don't think it's a good song. So what? 100 billion flies eat snow - who are you to say they're wrong?
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posted May 30, 2010 11:48 PM |
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No mate. Someone may like it sure, but if you think it's so good, tell me what is good about it? The best songs in this world, according to many people (people who look at the history of music), never made it to number 1. Doesn't that tell you something? I'm not saying nobody thinks it is a good song. It might sell well but it doesn't mean it's great. Fact is, that even if I have listened to more songs, it does mean I actually know a little of what I'm talking about. Mainly what I started going on about, before people like you took it out of context, is that I look at it as the song itself. I don't think it's any good. Medicore at best, and a lot of people will think that. But it's mainstream, it'll sell well for a variety of reasons:
1) She looks alright, looks sell
2) She won Eurovision, THAT'S going to get her a lot of attention for a while. Let's see if she can actually be successful for many years to come. If not, it proves that she was just a one hit wonder, in a way.
3) It sounds very similar to a lot of stuff nowadays, stuff that does sell well but isn't necessarily any good (from a perspective on the actual song, not what others may think of it).
I know that a lot of people DO think it's good and good on them for thinking that. From a musical view point (in the viewpoint of I make music and analyse music) I do think it's just very poor but sells well for reasons I said above. Just like Lady Gaga and other such artists. Mediocre stuff (I hate the music but I am going to look at it from a neutral viewpoint irrelevant of my tastes but focus on the song itself).
So again, if you missed that, I look at it from a view point of analysing the song, in a way that I make music, I know what has to be done and everything.
And AGAIN, what I post is MY opinion and not stating it as a fact, something you seem to be missing all the time.
I'm off to sleep now, so I won't be replying to anything you say until tomorrow.
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posted May 31, 2010 01:59 AM |
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I had to lol at this: "Eurovision is going rapidly down hill" 
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Lexxan
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posted May 31, 2010 07:28 AM |
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Satellite >>>>>>>>>>>>> Any other winner from the 2000s, aside from Molitva
Seriously people. This winner is better than almost every other winner from the 2000s. We have had a humoungous G-string of horrible winners (aside from 2007 ^^) ever since 2000, so we should be satisfied the overall quality of the show is improving (and not to mention that non-Eastern European countries without Gimmick entries actually have a shot that winning.). If you put it into it's own context, "Satellite" ain't that bad. This Top 5 is by far the best we had in years.
Eurovision is actually improving, and I hope this keeps up.
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posted May 31, 2010 07:32 AM |
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No mate. Someone may like it sure, but if you think it's so good, tell me what is good about it? The best songs in this world, according to many people (people who look at the history of music), never made it to number 1. Doesn't that tell you something? I'm not saying nobody thinks it is a good song. It might sell well but it doesn't mean it's great. Fact is, that even if I have listened to more songs, it does mean I actually know a little of what I'm talking about.
I think it's a good song. That makes it a good song - to me. It neither becomes better nor worse to me for the fact that you dislike it - or even if allthe rest of the world's people and music critics disagree.
What I like about it? I think it has a nice and catchy melody, I think it's pleasantly downscaled, I think it has a kind of quirky sound and production which is fun (unlike most of the other eurovision songs), and I think she has a sweet voice.
And again, you fall back on a reference to these "people who look at the history of music" - my point is that if you take your average man, they may or may not have an oppinion that matches his, so certainly you might put value to their statements, but you can just as well disregard them. I know at the end of the day, what matter to me is what I mean and not what the critics mean.
Sure, I frequently look to whatever reviews to check out what I might want to look up from new music, but as I'm sure you've experienced yourself, it's certainly not always I agree with them. Just to take an example, the recent R.E.M. album (Accelerate) got praised as "their best since mid 90's" by almost all critics, and I think it's a bunch of complete throw-away with the exception of one or two songs. Their previous offering (Around The Sun) frequently gets written off as "something to forget" and "complete waste of time" - I happen to think it's one of their best and most consistent records ever.
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posted May 31, 2010 07:46 AM |
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Naaah, I liked the Wild Dance better. And Hard Rock Hallelujah.
But compared to Fairytale Satellite is angel choir to my ears.
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