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posted August 23, 2010 10:39 AM |
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21st century enlightenment and developing empathic capacity
Some of you might remember the above video from a while back, which I myself found profoundly interesting.
There is a new video in the same style and with a related theme of empathy and it's implications for future development which I also find interesting, so if you liked above video, take a look:
21st century enlightenment
More videos here about various economic issues. You may agree or not.
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posted August 23, 2010 10:51 AM |
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posted August 23, 2010 01:22 PM |
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Sounds reasonable, I know few people who are actually happy with themselves and can enjoy the little things. Morals, ideas, empathy, they've all been eroded in the past few decades. We keep hearing about abstracts but fail to see how our personalities and way of thinking are being mutilated, we even willingly allow it. Everyone's at it, it's us or them - usually me or them, who bothers, let someone else do it etc.
Seen enough people turn to hatred, embrace the anxiety or become numb but all those self-destructive tendencies are a direct byproduct of what we want out of our lives. And we welcome it back in. Now if we catered some more to ourselves and occasionally stopped to smell the roses we might see that things can get a lot better, all it takes is a little spark. It's all connected.
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posted August 23, 2010 07:13 PM |
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Full of nonsense.
Care to elaborate, or you as usual just play the devil's advocate?
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posted August 23, 2010 07:16 PM |
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I've never seen Mvass play the devil's advocate before. He's among the least argumentative people in the OSM in terms of arguing for its own sake.
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posted August 23, 2010 07:24 PM |
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Irony detector going haywire! Can't tell if bb is serious or not!
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posted August 23, 2010 07:49 PM |
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The only time I played devil's advocate was when I posted as DeadMan, and that was for an April Fool's joke. Otherwise, I'm always serious when I post in the OSM.
The reason this video is nonsense is because it overrates empathy. Sure, empathy is important. When your friend is suffering, the appropriate reaction is to alleviate that suffering. But it's one thing to feel for a friend or a family member and another to be a dripping mass of sympathy for random people. To put it bluntly, why should some stranger halfway around the world - a stranger with whom I've never interacted and who has no impact on my life - care about me? And why should I care about him?
Knowing what's important and what's not comes first. Empathy can only follow after that.
As for other points - about science, Corribus already destroyed the "science doesn't care about ethics" argument. Something similar can be said for markets.
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posted August 24, 2010 12:21 AM |
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To put it bluntly, why should some stranger halfway around the world - a stranger with whom I've never interacted and who has no impact on my life - care about me? And why should I care about him?
because the beat of wing of a butterfly can provocate a hurricane on the other end of the world 
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posted August 24, 2010 12:34 AM |
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Someone needs a hug. We love you too mvass 
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posted August 24, 2010 05:02 AM |
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Anyway, I watched the video and didn't catch what he said that was so revolutionary, but I agreed with what he was saying.
And he was talking about issues that arise within those fields, not that they are completely and utterly overtaken by them.
Scientists (including social scientists) are no different than any other professional. Some will beg and BS to get any grant money that they possibly can, even if exploring something is far from imperative. It's in the nature of research that there's always a remote chance something awesome will come of it, but that doesn't mean you throw endless amounts of resources into it. You have to draw a line concerning how much attention and annual funding something deserves.
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posted August 24, 2010 08:42 AM |
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Anyway, I watched the video and didn't catch what he said that was so revolutionary, but I agreed with what he was saying.
Sometimes things don't to be completely revolutionary to have an impact, in fact sometimes it's when the most obvious things are pointed out that they make the greatest impression with me.
The video deffinitely struck a resonance with me, because I through my daily work are connected to a lot of young people (age 16-20) and am genuinely concerned in how self-centered their world is. I guess it's pretty natural for that age, but I also think it's crucial that we step out of that framework at some point.
I for myself agree that if we are to exploit the planet in a sustainable manner, a general change of attitude needs to happen, because the whole "live today, save the world tomorrow" scheme can't carry on much longer with China and India on the rise.
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posted August 24, 2010 11:38 AM |
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Eventhough I personally do not believe the conclusions of the following link: http://everything2.com/user/Professor%20Pi/writeups/Why%20time%20appears%20to%20speed%20up%20with%20age ((The link describes possible reasons of why we feel time speeds up as we gets older))
[As I think it does not describe reality, simply because that's not how our brain works. Our brains would work like this, if it could not prioritize, or in other words, if every single information would be equally important (so all old paths would be as strong as newer paths and then averaged for total memory size)]. Then the link is an argument of why empathy certainly matters in term of productivity.
Because it means eventhough for the older person were life moves at a rapid speed, the younger person who sees live at a much slower pace (yet the time difference is the same) can make a huge improvement of the older persons life, simply because for the younger person it seems like there are more time.
[In reality, it should be taken into account both that since priority matters, as explained, it's if we do what we want that time will feel slower and likewise, since you get more skilled with training, as in learning [which would be impossible if above link were completely true], then it'll feel like we've got quite a lot better, because not only are we faster, but time moves faster making us feel even faster].
In return by combining empathy and hard work, you could then make a huge amount of improvement no person alone could make, at least by what is stated in the link posted.
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posted August 24, 2010 01:24 PM |
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Edited by Fauch at 13:31, 24 Aug 2010.
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The video deffinitely struck a resonance with me, because I through my daily work are connected to a lot of young people (age 16-20) and am genuinely concerned in how self-centered their world is. I guess it's pretty natural for that age, but I also think it's crucial that we step out of that framework at some point.
lol what? do you mean you think only young people are self-centered?
I guess that's actually the majority of the world population.
but of course your students are, since it's how our current system learn them to live, you know, you are supposed to compete for everything, only rely on yourself and reach the highest possible position if you want to be respected.
if you think about it, it's complete bullsnow, but most people just do not think (following the ideas of other people isn't thinking, and it seems that's what most people do)
when it comes to dealing with important problems, people limit themselves to a frame, missing most of the global picture, and start thinking from conclusions (which are likely to be wrong), and they also think what is good for them is necessarily good for other people (see communism for example, people got oppressed to follow the system and it failed badly. not a problem with communism itself, but with systems and ideologies in general)
are the other teachers as concerned as you are or they don't really care?
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posted August 25, 2010 10:22 PM |
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I think there is a general acknowledgement that students these days are less concerned about the long perspective and seem to focus only on what they want right now - but then, I guess if you ask the older generation at any time (now, 20 years ago, or 50 years ago), they would say pretty much always the same. If that is because things are indeed going steadily downhill, or just because that's how we always view the young people, I don't know - I hope the latter, but fear the former.
I think I read somewhere, once, that empathy is something we develop during our teen years. Children generally don't have the capacity to be empathic, as they aren't able to grasp how a situation can be watched from more perspectives (at least that's what I think I read). What this video made me think that maybe that's an important part of the general education I'm part of giving them.
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posted August 26, 2010 12:04 AM |
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I tend to believe people are naturally empathic, but the way they are educated makes them lose the ability
that is, if you consider empathy as a kind of supernatural ability, and not the ability to read emotions like Ekman.
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posted October 07, 2010 03:59 PM |
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Edited by dimis at 16:02, 07 Oct 2010.
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posted October 08, 2010 02:20 AM |
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What is ironical is that there is always a small bunch of people who decides to "snow it" and then promptly does it for the money.
I am not talking about bets or anything fun, but just doing it for the money, as in with the "prize" they mention.
Well, its not really surprising, but rather "not completely obvious".
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posted October 09, 2010 05:31 AM |
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It's kind of funny how much of it is actually true. But it also makes me think I'm differently oriented in different situations.... I do get annoyed with a slow booting PC or a slow-loading webpage, but when I'm out I have no problem waiting several minutes on something.
But that aside I'm mostly past and future oriented, I think.... In thought, anyway. In action I'm present. And yet I wouldn't snow someone and accidentally produce a mini-me. Hm, odd... So what catagory am I?
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To put it bluntly, why should some stranger halfway around the world - a stranger with whom I've never interacted and who has no impact on my life - care about me? And why should I care about him?
And it's freaking SCARY how often I think just like you do.. It tempts me to change my thought pattern damnit.
But lately it's a bit ironic and twisted... I care more about suffering happening in the third world than I do about suffering in the western world or even in my own country. I suspect it's because I feel those people are more innocent than western people are. Same reason why I care more about animals suffering than people suffering.
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Knowing what's important and what's not comes first. Empathy can only follow after that.
Compassion, for starters. Which is why you suck at life to begin with
I think Elvin is right, you need some love that you never had in your childhood. Anyone here willing to hug that thing?
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posted October 09, 2010 08:28 AM |
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The surprising truth about what motivates us.
I saw this movie a while ago, and also found it very intriguing. I definitely can recognize a lot of this in this very forum, just look at people doing things like modding or development projects to improve a computer game, lots of hours goes into something for what is, on the bottom line, very little gain. And yet we love it. 
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