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posted June 15, 2010 12:57 PM

Obama's Communist Ties

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If you want more proof of Obama's communist ties make another thread please.

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posted June 15, 2010 01:44 PM

It's not Marxism,

Obama was the one responsible for it!

it's Oh-BAM-ism
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posted June 15, 2010 02:06 PM

Here is some initial information. There will be more to follow.

Obama favors redistribution of wealth and in fact "MAJOR redistributive change" and that such change is an administrative task.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

Here he says he sought out politically active Marxists when he attended college. Those are the ones he chose to hang out with because they share his viewpoints.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4EHmzslKLw

http://www.usasurvival.org/ck05.22.08.html

Watch an 8 part video about Obama's communist connections:
http://www.usasurvival.org/obama.briefing.html

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Investigators Release Reports on Obama's Communist Connections:

Washington, DC- Two veterans of investigations into Communist influence on the U.S. political process have released two new explosive reports on Barack Obama's ties with extreme anti-American elements, including agents of the Moscow-controlled Communist Party USA. The reports will shed important new light on Barack Obama's mysterious past.

WHO: Herbert Romerstein, an author and investigative journalist, served as an investigator for the much-feared U. S. House Committee on Un-American Activities, the House Committee on Internal Security, and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. He was head of the Office to Counter Soviet Disinformation for the United States Information Agency. One of his recent books is the acclaimed THE VENONA SECRETS: EXPOSING SOVIET ESPIONAGE AND AMERICA'S TRAITORS.

Cliff Kincaid is an investigative journalist who specializes in analyzing the effects of communist and terrorist influence on the U.S. media. He is founder and president of America's Survival, Inc., and editor of Accuracy in Media's AIM Report. He is the author or coauthor of nine books, including WHY YOU CAN'T TRUST THE NEWS, and was instrumental in denying access to the U.S. media market to the Islamic terrorist Al-Jazeera television channel.

Major findings include:

Barack Obama has been influenced, surrounded and backed by communists, socialists, and those sympathetic to the Arab/Palestinian cause in the Middle East.

Obama  has been in the middle of two international communist networks – one in Hawaii and one in Chicago.

The Hawaii network included communists Frank Marshall Davis, who was Obama’s personal mentor; actor/singer Paul Robeson; and labor leader Harry Bridges. The network was judged a security threat to the United States and the subject of a congressional hearing on the “Scope of Soviet Activity in the United States.”

The Hawaii communist network was organized directly by and from Moscow.
Obama covered up the true identity of Frank Marshall Davis in his book, Dreams From My Father.

The Chicago network included identified communists and socialists, was committed to a communist victory in the Vietnam War, and took instructions from the communist Castro regime in Cuba.

In addition to communist terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, who were members of the Weather Underground, the Chicago network includes many veterans of the communist Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) who now proclaim themselves “Progressives for Obama.”

One of the leaders of “Progressives for Obama” is former SDS leader Tom Hayden, who wrote a letter to a communist Vietnamese official during the Vietnam War hoping for a “victory” over the U.S.

Several SDS officials and the SDS itself had connections to the Communist Party USA.
The SDS openly promoted communism, the regimes in Hanoi and Havana, and condemned alleged U.S. “imperialism.”

There is evidence that Obama backer Bernardine Dohrn, who traveled to Cuba to meet with communist officials, was involved in a bombing that killed a policeman.

Ayers, who helped launch Obama’s political career, has traveled to Venezuela on several occasions and is an enthusiastic backer of the brand of communism being practiced and promoted by Hugo Chavez.

Ayers’ university office door and wall are plastered with communist, anti-Israel, and pro-Hugo Chavez propaganda.

Bernardine Dohrn has participated in two events organized by the Open Society Institute of Obama backer and billionaire leftist George Soros.

The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), a group that included a convicted espionage agent for communist East Germany, backed and promoted Obama’s political career.
 
Obama spoke at a memorial service on behalf of a leading Chicago socialist activist.
It appears that Obama actually worked for Ayers in a Chicago educational reform program that dispensed millions of dollars of grants.

Illinois State Senator Alice Palmer, who picked Obama as her successor, has a record of involvement in communist front activities.

Obama campaign strategist David Axelrod, as well as Obama himself, have not explained why Ayers, Dohrn, then-State Senator Alice Palmer, and Dr. Quentin Young came together at the Ayers/Dohrn home to launch Obama’s political career.

Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley, a client of Axelrod, issued a controversial and misleading statement defending Obama’s relationship with communist terrorist Bill Ayers.

Illinois Lt. Governor Pat Quinn, another Axelrod client, designated “Quentin Young Day” in the state, in honor of an Obama supporter once questioned about his involvement in backing SDS activities and who was accused of being a CPUSA member. (Young refused to deny he was a CPUSA member before a congressional committee but during an informal interview said he had never joined the CPUSA).




http://obamaism.blogspot.com/
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Part 1 - Obama's Ties to Socialism, Marxism, and Communism

1. Obama's Father Wrote About Socialism - His father wrote a paper called "Problems With Our Socialism" that advocates 100% taxation of the rich, communal ownership of land and the forced confiscation of privately controlled land. Source: Greg Ransom, PrestoPundit

2. Obama's Mother Was a "Communist Sympathizer" - " Friends describe her as a "fellow traveler", that is, a communist sympathizer, from her youth, according to a March 27, 2007, Chicago Tribune report" Source: Spengler, Asia Times "The values she taught me continue to be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of politics - Barack Obama" Source: Tim Jones, Chicago Tribune

3. Obama's Parents Met in a Russian Class (Back then it was the Communist USSR) - "His mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (her father always wanted a son), was white and just 18 when they met in a Russian class" Source: Sharon Cohen, St Louis Times

4. Obama's Teen Mentor was Frank Marshall Davis (a known CPUSA member) - "...through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his poetry and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just Frank." Source: Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in the Media "Kathryn Takara of the University of Hawaii, who wrote a dissertation on the life of Frank Marshall Davis, confirming Davis was a significant influence on Obama when the senator attended Punahou prep school in Hawaii from 1975 to 1979" Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNetDaily based on Communism in Hawaii and the Obama Connection (Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein)

5. Obama's Brother Roy and Cousin Odinga are Marxists - "Barack Obama's older brother, Abongo "Roy" Obama. He is a Luo activist. militant Muslim and a Marxist." Source: Barbara Busby, 180people.com “The person who made me proudest of all,” Obama wrote, “was Roy Source: Bill Sammon, The Examiner "Odinga is a Marxist who reportedly has made a pact with a hard-line Islamic group in Kenya to establish Shariah courts throughout the country" Source: Invenstor's Business Daily

6. Obama Attended Socialist Conferences at Cooper Union - "He went to socialist conferences at Cooper Union and African cultural fairs in Brooklyn and started lecturing his relatives until they worried he'd become "one of those freaks you see on the streets around here." Source: H Kennedy, NY Daily News

7. Obama Was Hand Picked by Alice Palmer to Succeed Her in the Illinois State Senate - "Nine years before Palmer picked Obama to be her successor, she was the only African-American journalist to travel to the Soviet Union to attend the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, according to an article Palmer wrote in the CPUSA newspaper, People's Daily World, June 19, 1986." Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNetDaily based on Communism in Chicago and the Obama Connection (Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein)

8. Obama's Run for the Illinois State Senate was Launched by a Fundraiser Organized at Bill Ayers' and Bernardine Dorhn's Chicago Home - Ayers and Dorhn are former terrorists from the Weather Underground who's SDS organization received financial contributions from the CPUSA. "Obama's run for the Illinois state Senate was launched by a fundraiser organized at Ayers' and Dorhn's Chicago home by Alice Palmer. Palmer had named Obama to succeed her in the state Senate in 1995, when she decided to run for a U.S. congressional seat." Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNetDaily based on Communism in Chicago and the Obama Connection (Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein)

9. Obama Had a Close Relationship with the "Anti-Capitalist" Group ACORN - "Obama has had an intimate and long-term association with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (Acorn)...Chicago Acorn appears to have played a major role in Obama’s political advance...Acorn’s radical agenda sometimes shifts toward “undisguised authoritarian socialism.” Source: Stanley Kurtz, National Review

10. Obama Attended Several Meetings with the Democratic Socialists in Chicago and Was even Endorsed by Them - "Obama’s socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for an Illinois state senate seat. Later, the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the “champions” of “Chicago’s democratic left” and a long-time socialist activist. Obama’s stint as a “community organizer” in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialists, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored." Source: Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in the Media "In its broadest sense, democratic socialism could refer to any attempts to bring about socialism through democratic means as opposed to violent insurrection." Source: Wikipedia

11. Obama Endorsed Openly Socialist Senator Bernie Sanders - Video " "Sanders is the first self-described socialist to be elected to the U.S. Senate." Source: Wikipedia

12. Many Obama Supporters Idolize Che Guervara - Obama Campaign Worker Seen With Communist Cuba Flag Depicting Marxist Che Guevara on it. Source: David Benzion, Lone Star Times

"Guevara later served as Minister of Industries, in which post he helped formulate Cuban socialism...Guevara played a key role in bringing to Cuba the Soviet nuclear-armed ballistic missiles that precipitated the Cuban Missile Crisis in October 1962. During an interview with the British newspaper Daily Worker some weeks later, he stated that, if the missiles had been under Cuban control, they would have fired them against major U.S. cities." Source: Wikipedia

13. The Communist Party USA Endorsed Obama - "Our Party actively supported Obama during the primary election." Source: CPUSA Website (This line has since been removed from the CPUSA website) - Search for this quote. Also see THIS post on the CPUSA blog...

Then we have this blog on mybarackobama.com (Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama):

From the blog: "Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama - This group is for self-proclaimed Marxists/Communists/Socialists for the election of Barack Obama to the Presidency...We support Barack Obama because he knows what is best for the people! Source: Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama Source: Aaron Klein, WorldNetDaily

14. Obama's Church is Rooted in Liberation Theology which is Rooted in Marxism - " The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology" Source: TUCC Website "Simply put, Liberation Theology is an attempt to interpret Scripture through the plight of the poor. It is largely a humanistic doctrine. It started in South America in the turbulent 1950's when Marxism was making great gains among the poor because of its emphasis on the redistribution of wealth, allowing poor peasants to share in the wealth of the colonial elite and thus upgrade their economic status in life." Source: gotquestions.org

15. Obama's Opening Band - The band that opened for Obama's Oregon rally (The Decemberists) is named after an 1825 revolt over the Imperial Russian succession (Decembrist revolt) that Meloy views as an attempted communist revolution. They also open many of their shows by playing the Soviet National Anthem... Source: Jeff Johnson, OneNewsNow Source: Jerome R. Corsi, WorldNetDaily Source: Oleg Atbashian, Pajamasmedia


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posted June 15, 2010 02:11 PM
Edited by bixie at 09:34, 16 Jun 2010.

by the way, Elodin, I think some truthers want their tin-foil hat back.

In all seriousness. How can you possibly claim that just because a man associated with marxists, that automatically makes him a commie?

I have associated with left wingers, right wingers, anarchists, free enterprisers, statists, communists, capitalists, and people who think they should be in charge. so what does that make me?
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posted June 15, 2010 02:15 PM

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by the way, Elodin, I think some truthers want their tin-foil hat back.


Perhaps you should by yourself a hat and give theirs back then.

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posted June 15, 2010 02:40 PM

First, a few questions.

If we suppose that Obama actually was a "Marxist" what would it imply?

What do you, good sir Elodin, mean when you speak of this "Marxism" thing? What do you think that the people who write those articles mean when they say things like "Marxism"?
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posted June 15, 2010 03:05 PM
Edited by Elodin at 15:07, 15 Jun 2010.

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First, a few questions.

If we suppose that Obama actually was a "Marxist" what would it imply?

What do you, good sir Elodin, mean when you speak of this "Marxism" thing? What do you think that the people who write those articles mean when they say things like "Marxism"?


Marxists believe the government should steal from me and give to you in the name of "economic justice," assuming I have more than you do. Some Marxists, like Obama's associate William Ayers, believe in murdering all people who will not become communists. The communist revolution in the USSR is a good example of Marxists engaging in mass murder.

Although Marxists believe in redistribution of wealth, somehow the party officials end up with more wealth than others and certainly American Marxists like Obama do not redistribute their own personal wealth.

Mass murder of non-communists

Obama's links to the communist domestic terrorist Bill Ayers, and Ayers links to others in Obama's white house.

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posted June 15, 2010 03:55 PM

All this labelling are useless.

Person A states X at time Y.
Therefore we conclude that person A, for all times, is devoted to all sets of statements under which state X is part of.
From there, we look at all sets of statements of which state X is part of, and take other statements out of these and conclude person A likewise must support these.

The yaihaleigh believes that black and white men are equal. Person A believes black and white men are equal. We conclude from this that person A is part of the yaihaleigh.
Now the yaihaleigh does also support death penalty. We conclude from this person A supports death penalty.
So, due to some people coming up with the label that unites people who among other things support both death penalty and equality between black and white men, we conclude that all people who support black and white men who does not explicit state they do not support the death penalty, does support the death penalty. Guilty until proven otherwise...
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posted June 15, 2010 04:13 PM
Edited by bixie at 09:35, 16 Jun 2010.

jesus-christ-on-a-tamdum-with-cthullhu-whilst-juggling-puppies!

these are not the words of a balanced individual trying to make a point, these are the words of a hard right conservative whose irritated about how the fact the guy running his country is not Rush Limbaugh. Obama's not a socialist. In fact, compared to the current British PM, CONSERVATIVE david cameron, Obama is right leaning.

any wise politician would have needed to study and evaluate all forms of government and political philosophies, as in order to work in the necessary fields of government. Considering that Obama is a law proffessor, he would have needed to study marx's thesis as part of the course, especially if he was planning to go into politics. finding out that he studied marxism isn't proof that he is a communist, that's an illustration why internet sources are never taken seriously in academia.

bearing in mind that study of other systems of government might not sing of red,white and blue and smell of apple pie, but it will improve you're standing in the international arena. Face it, Elodin, America has fallen a long way since the glorious age of the 80's. quite apart from the fact it was US bankers who caused the recession, you have had two wars, one justified, one another chance to go and beat up some muslims whilst nicking their oil, backing one of the most unpopular nations in the world, and is home to some of the most retarded movements in history, where people don't treat them as the joke they are. internationally, you're up on the desirablity meter with Crabs and visits from your girlfriends dad after a particularly spectacular orgy.

most of the stuff you have presented have presented fairly tenous grasps on reality, let alone something worth bothering about. When does the madness end? are you going to start to compare Obama to Hugo Drax due to the fact both have dogs? and come on, we all know you want to make the obvious comparison between him and Idi Armin.


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posted June 15, 2010 04:14 PM
Edited by VokialBG at 16:14, 15 Jun 2010.

The truth:

Obama's mother is from Hungary - and she is daughter of illegitimate daughter of Karl Marx.

- we all know that.

Also Marx was from Mars.

- we all know that too.
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posted June 15, 2010 04:44 PM
Edited by Elodin at 00:44, 17 Jun 2010.

@Bixie

I am glad to see you edited your post. However, your current accusations about America and why many people say Obama is a Marxist are also false and unfounded.

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posted June 15, 2010 05:06 PM

Those sources seem a bit flimsy and seem to be shedding more light on Obama's acquaintances rather than the man himself. This obamaism.blogspot is seemingly written in an effort to use whatever scraps of obscure and filtered information to somewhat imply a connection between Obama and a buzzword. The time of its writing, around the 2008 election, would suggest a rush to sling as much dirt at the candidates as possible.

Also there are several, ideologies to wich Obama could be fit into much more cozily. From what I gather he's more like some kind of social liberalist or something like that.
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posted June 15, 2010 05:20 PM

elodin... did you miss me, dearest?


and of course, dismissing the argument as "unamerican" and "Liberal" is a typical conservative smear tactic. Epic fail of megaton proportions with bulls**t and chips.  
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posted June 15, 2010 05:44 PM
Edited by mvassilev at 17:44, 15 Jun 2010.

So much nonsense in this thread. There are many legitimate criticisms of Obama, but this isn't one of them.

bixie:
I think Obama is to the left of Cameron, definitely. There's a difference in political climate between the UK and the US, so there are some things that Cameron just can't suggest (like getting rid of the NHS), but he's still to the right of Obama.
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posted June 15, 2010 05:50 PM

I don't know what the fuss is all about.

People's Republic of America sounds just great.

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posted June 15, 2010 05:53 PM

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I don't know what the fuss is all about.

People's Democratic Republic of America sounds just great.
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posted June 15, 2010 06:14 PM

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bixie:
I think Obama is to the left of Cameron, definitely. There's a difference in political climate between the UK and the US, so there are some things that Cameron just can't suggest (like getting rid of the NHS), but he's still to the right of Obama.


well, you have a point there. Cameron can't be as radical as some of conservatives in america, simply because if he does get rid of the NHS, the backlash would be enormous. it would literally be people calling for a violent revolution. I suppose, Ideologically, he's further right, but in his position now, having to listen to Nick clegg and the liberal democrats (BOO YAH!), he's much farther left than obama.
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posted June 15, 2010 06:22 PM
Edited by DagothGares at 18:24, 15 Jun 2010.

I've been taking a gander at this, mostly because I love you, so this should be fun. Anyway, let's a go!

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Obama favors redistribution of wealth and in fact "MAJOR redistributive change" and that such change is an administrative task.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck


The several desyncs and pauses that tell me what is going on(not to say the ominous music) are very good. They tell me that much care has been put into showing me the most important aspects and the truth of this video and that I should be fearful. I am also not asking myself how the subject of redistribution of wealth came up. I think Barack Obama was sitting there and after he told about how he once sacrificed a goat to the phoenician god Ba'al Hammon, an awkward silence fell and he felt that it was up to him to change that, so he started talking about how he thinks the courts needed to be changed.

All right, Obama is a communist.
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posted June 15, 2010 06:48 PM

Facts and proofs are serpentine lies developed by western capitalists to distract their oppressed citizenry so that they're unable to see the glorious fruits born from the brotherhood of the Republic.
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posted June 15, 2010 07:06 PM

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Ideologically, he's further right, but in his position now, having to listen to Nick clegg and the liberal democrats (BOO YAH!), he's much farther left than obama.
Actually...

# Trident renewal to go ahead but cost scrutinised
# New  nuclear power plants


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