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Elodin
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posted June 15, 2010 08:35 PM
Edited by Elodin at 20:49, 15 Jun 2010.

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Also there are several, ideologies to wich Obama could be fit into much more cozily. From what I gather he's more like some kind of social liberalist or something like that.


Obama delierately surrounded himself with Marxists all his life and has appointed communists/socialists to his administration. Who besides a communist would be loony enough to appoint a communist to a position of political power?

Van Jones for example.

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Commie Official: Without the Communist Party, Obama’s OFA Group Could Have Easily Disbanded

Shocker. The communists are taking credit for holding Obama’s Organizing for America group together during the recent health care legislative process. Democrats rammed their unpopular nationalized health care bill through Congress this year knowing the legislation would cost much more than what was being advertised to the American public. Now the commies are taking credit for this giant leap towards socialism.

Dan Margolis, chair of the New York State Communist Party USA and 2004 coordinator for the Democratic Party, recently wrote about the Communist Party’s influence in democratic politics.
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http://keywiki.org/blog/?p=339

When there were setbacks in the fight for health care, there was demoralization and frustration. Our Bronx club, which was instrumental in building an Organizing for America-based local organization, helped fight this feeling and, in the process, gained a good deal of experience. It can be said that, without the Communist Party, and solid leadership from one comrade in particular, the OFA group could have easily disbanded itself. Also, the Party was able and is able to play a leadership role in the question of what we’re fighting for, and in what context: why not some kind of National Health Service, as in the U.K., right now, or for Medicare for All?

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posted June 15, 2010 09:16 PM

My grandparents were surrounded by Communists all their life and that doesn't reflect poorly on them in any way.
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posted June 15, 2010 09:36 PM

From what mr. Beck was able to portray, Van Jones seems like a righteous dude.
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posted June 15, 2010 09:46 PM

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My grandparents were surrounded by Communists all their life and that doesn't reflect poorly on them in any way.


But they lived in a communist nation.

Obama has chosen to seek out Marxists to fellowship with. He has expressed his desire to redistribute wealth though of course he has not redistributed HIS OWN wealth and has of his own accord associated with those who want to kill all people who won't embrace communism.

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posted June 15, 2010 10:04 PM
Edited by DagothGares at 22:09, 15 Jun 2010.

Glenn Beck is a bit of a discredited man...

By people who are a bit crazy and adhere to many vices, but whom I love.

Okay, I just wanted to post an article that contained lots of swearing. (Though, it also lent me the impression that Glenn Beck is taken as seriously in the US as the fascist party leader in belgium: that is to say: very serious by a diquietingly large fraction of the population that needs to be purged (say, like... A good 15% of the overall populace), but a joke to anyone else)

Also: A joke is a very serious thing.

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Calling this a “comedy” show was a very ballsy move. I would call it an energetic history lecture, or cheap, fear-mongering propaganda, or some kind of religious evangelical movement (if Glenn Beck was a religion), but never a comedy show.


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Beck has a very clever way of being racist without actually directly saying anything racist. He’s always applauding the Founding Fathers as brilliant, wonderful men who are, most importantly, Beck will stress as he leans toward the audience, “just like us.” And he’s right, in that the only people in his theater are old and white. I actively tried finding some non-white folks in the crowd and I was, time and time again, unsuccessful. This was seriously the whitest audience I’ve ever seen (and one time I went to a Weezer concert). I politely nodded to the equally white people in my theater and sat down with a little notebook so I could capture the experience.

Now there’s nothing wrong with being white (some of my friends are half-white), but Beck seems to see America’s early years as a perfect utopia. He paints Progressivists as disrespectful, socialist upstarts with no regard for the flawless and infallible men who created our constitution. Never mind the fact that the perfect, infallible rules that the framers set forth made it impossible for anyone who wasn’t a white, property-owning male to have any say in the voting process. Poor Glenn Beck misses the good old days when women couldn’t vote and black people were actually black almost-people.

At one point, Beck describes a terrifying panic he felt back in November. He talks about the lead-up to the election and how he kept screaming “Don’t you see what’s happening? Don’t you see what’s happening!?” until it was too late and the unthinkable occurred.

He never says what the unthinkable is, just that it happened in November and it terrified him to the point of panic. But whether he’s talking about a terrifying storm in November or a bleak future populated by “undocumented” (re: non-white) workers building “our cars” it seemed pretty clear to me that Glenn Beck is a scared white man who is desperately yet unsuccessfully trying to cope with the fact that the country of his beloved white founders elected a black guy.


Anyway... you citing him as a source reflects poorly on you in my eyes. You can see that, right?

EDIT: Come on, defend fox news, righteous crusader!
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posted June 15, 2010 11:14 PM

As always, the left throws around false allegations of racism. And of course the author of your site even goes beyond to put forward such absurd lies as Beck supports rape. Sorry, the leftist who authored the site has left sanity and lives in loonville. The author's idea of humor is evidently to make up lies and to curse a lot. Sorry, not my brand of humor.

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posted June 15, 2010 11:18 PM

Truth be told, he is one of my favourite comedians (hey, a bad sense of humor isn't a crime last time I heard). And you might've missed the point of said allegations.

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He wants to make American children more efficient rapists. “A rapist in every classroom,” Beck cried out from the stage, as he sipped on rape juice and tossed back little mini cocktail rape hot dogs. To be fair, he did go on to clarify his point, saying “Rape rape rape.”

It was an unexpected outburst, to be sure, but I thought I’d just, you know, put it out there. If any comedian/political talking head wants to talk about why Glenn Beck is dangerous for America, feel free to cite Cracked.com in the same way that Beck cited Pravda. (emphasis added)

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posted June 15, 2010 11:33 PM

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Ideologically, he's further right, but in his position now, having to listen to Nick clegg and the liberal democrats (BOO YAH!), he's much farther left than obama.
Actually...

# Trident renewal to go ahead but cost scrutinised
# New  nuclear power plants


etc.


yes.

however, another issue that Clegg pushed was tuition fees need a change.

the conservatives do not want to loose their majority, and thus, will probably listen to what the lib dems have to say.
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posted June 16, 2010 03:03 AM

hmmm, socialist upbringing, radical mentors, communist backing...
okay, I'll buy this theory.

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posted June 16, 2010 05:55 AM
Edited by Mytical at 00:26, 17 Jun 2010.

Anybody, and I mean anybody can say "X person believes this." The burden of proof lies on the person making the claim, not the person the claim is about.  Why?  It is impossible to prove you don't think something. So I will issue a challenge to Elodin.  Before I do, please read carefully, because I have something to say before my challenge.

Challenge removed as the person refused to do the challenge, as expected.

See Elodin this is the problem with your statement.  I don't have a clue WHAT Obama believes, I am not Obama.  Since you are the one making (or repeating) the allegation, the burden of proof is on you.  You have to PROVE you know what Obama is thinking, which dear sir..is impossible.  Simply because you, nor these other people are mind readers.  Nor is there any way to prove Obama THINKS something or does not UNLESS HE HIMSELF SAYS he does/does not.

I won't even get into the fact that socialism itself is not all bad.  After all, Jesus did take from the few and give to the many (I will site the 5 fishes/2 loaves of bread for proof).  Taught charity and giving, etc.  Nor that having some socialist leanings does not make you a socialist.  
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posted June 16, 2010 06:19 AM

I think that, to elodin, this is like the ending of soylent green and no one believes him.
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posted June 16, 2010 08:14 AM
Edited by Elodin at 08:17, 16 Jun 2010.

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See Elodin this is the problem with your statement.  I don't have a clue WHAT Obama believes, I am not Obama.  Since you are the one making (or repeating) the allegation, the burden of proof is on you.  You have to PROVE you know what Obama is thinking, which dear sir..is impossible.  Simply because you, nor these other people are mind readers.  Nor is there any way to prove Obama THINKS something or does not UNLESS HE HIMSELF SAYS he does/does not.


Sorry, but there is Obama's OWN WORDSS that he supports redistribution of wealth, that he attended socialist conventinos, that he choses his friends carefully, that he sought out Marxists to hang out with, ect.

I know what Obama thinks about the teachings of Marx from Obama's own words and his actions.

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After all, Jesus did take from the few and give to the many (I will site the 5 fishes/2 loaves of bread for proof).  Taught charity and giving, etc.  Nor that having some socialist leanings does not make you a socialist.


Sorry, but Jesus did not send thugs around to steal the loaves and fishes. Jesus did not take anything. People gave the loaves and fishes to Jesus upon his requrest. Jesus did not steal from one to give to another. He multiplied the loaves and fishes.

The Bible opposes socialism. One of the Ten Commandments is "Thou shalt not steal." The Bible recognizes private property rights.

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2Th 3:10  For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

2Th 3:12  Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.


You will nothice it says you are to work and to eat your own bread, not to eat mine.

Yes, the Bible teaches CHARITY. It does not teach that the government is to steal from one person and give what is tolen to another person. CHARITY is a person voluntarily giving what is HIS to another person. CHARITY is not the government stealing from me to give to you. CHARITY would be me, of my own free will, voluntarily giving something to you.

So, yes, we can say that vrom a Biblical viewpoint socialism is bad. The exception would be in a small society where everyone agreed to form a socialist society and share their wealth. But no one can be forced to "share" their wealth.

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posted June 16, 2010 08:22 AM
Edited by Mytical at 08:33, 16 Jun 2010.

As I thought, skip around the challenge altogether.  Because you know it is impossible.  Just as you know it is impossible for anybody to KNOW what a person is thinking.  It is a bunch of smoke and mirrors, things taken out of context, and assumptions.

Oh yeah, and Jesus DID support paying taxes.

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Mark 12.  13And they sent to him some of the Pharisees and some of the Herodians, to trap him in his talk. 14And they came and said to him, “Teacher, we know that you are true and do not care about anyone’s opinion. For you are not swayed by appearances,c  but truly teach the way of God. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not? Should we pay them, or should we not?” 15But, knowing their hypocrisy, he said to them, “Why put me to the test? Bring me a denariusd  and let me look at it.” 16And they brought one. And he said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” They said to him, “Caesar’s.” 17Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they marveled at him
.  As I said though I am not getting into that, this is not really the place to debate it.
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posted June 16, 2010 08:32 AM
Edited by Elodin at 00:38, 17 Jun 2010.

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As I thought, skip around the challenge altogether.  Because you know it is impossible.  Just as you know it is impossible for anybody to KNOW what a person is thinking.  It is a bunch of smoke and mirrors, things taken out of context, and assumptions.


You falsely accuse me of using smoke and mirrors, assumptions, and things taken out of context. It is you who appear to be using smoke and mirrors, not me. Lest anyone accusee me of being unoriginal, you have forbidden me to use other phrases to describe your actions.

Sorry, your accuastions do not change the fact that Obama said he believes in redistribution of wealth, that he admitted to going to socialist conventions, that he said he chose he friends carefully, that he sought out Marxists to hang out with, that he has surrounded himself with Marxists his whole life and has appointed Marxists to positions of power in his administration, along with all the other things I have presented. If one examines thae words and actions of Obama over the course of his life one will easily see his Marxism.
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posted June 16, 2010 08:35 AM

Thus my point is proven thank you.  You believe you can KNOW Obama's mind, and your mind is made up.  I say without hesitation that you can not read Obama's mind.  You do not KNOW what he believes, only what you want him to believe.  Unless you are a mind reading psychic.  Which we both know is not the case.  We have nothing more to discuss.. Thank you.
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posted June 16, 2010 08:44 AM

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Thus my point is proven thank you.  You believe you can KNOW Obama's mind, and your mind is made up.  I say without hesitation that you can not read Obama's mind.  You do not KNOW what he believes, only what you want him to believe.  Unless you are a mind reading psychic.  Which we both know is not the case.  We have nothing more to discuss.. Thank you.


No, it does not take a mind reading psychic to know what Obama has said and done. And no, I DON'T WANT Obama to be a Marxist. I'd have to be a moron to want the president to be a Marxist since I don't want the government to steal my property and income.

I have reached conclusions based on Obama's own words and actions.

Sorry, I know what he believes from his own words and his actions. He said he believes in redistribution of wealth. I don't have to guesss and wonder if he does or not.

Same thing about everything else I've presented. I don't have to guess or read minds. I have his words and deeds to go by.
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posted June 16, 2010 08:51 AM

Again, although this is going over what we have already a million times..by your logic..I am a Christian.

I study the bible (just not your interpretation of it).
I hang around Christian friends.
I believe in A god (just not the one you believe in)
I once even called myself a christian.

So by your own logic, ala Obama, I AM a Christian.  Of course you will have a double standard and pull out the "But the bible determines yada yada" not even realizing you are having the double standard.
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posted June 16, 2010 09:09 AM

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Again, although this is going over what we have already a million times..by your logic..I am a Christian.

I study the bible (just not your interpretation of it).
I hang around Christian friends.
I believe in A god (just not the one you believe in)
I once even called myself a christian.

So by your own logic, ala Obama, I AM a Christian.  Of course you will have a double standard and pull out the "But the bible determines yada yada" not even realizing you are having the double standard.


This thread is not about whether you are a Christian or not.

But no, by your own words you are not a Christian, based on the words you have spoken.

No, Jesus said to be a follower of his (to be a Christian) you have to believe  that HE is God and you have to repent and be baptized and follow the teachings of the New Covenant.

You have stated that you don't believe that Jesus is God.

You can't say that you believe that Buddah is God or that "some god exists" and be a Christian. You have to believ that Jesus is the one true God and you have to act on that belief by obeying the gospel of Christ and remaining in obedience to the Wod of God.
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posted June 16, 2010 09:09 AM
Edited by ohforfsake at 09:13, 16 Jun 2010.

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Sorry, but there is Obama's OWN WORDSS that he supports redistribution of wealth, that he attended socialist conventinos, that he choses his friends carefully, that he sought out Marxists to hang out with, ect.

I know what Obama thinks about the teachings of Marx from Obama's own words and his actions.


Those things doesn't uniquely support your claim.
You need to take into consideration the context of which any given words are used. Redistribution of wealth is used in every single country, unless you want everyone who supports the idea of taxes to be defined as a marxists, then it's certainly not a sufficient unique attribute of a person. Also, again, people who aren't marxists can attend socialist conventions, hang out with people with those belief (yeah go ahead and prove they actually have those believes...), etc.

If humans had labels of which any attribute were unique part of the given label, then you could use the method you're using. But that is not the case. People sociate with other peoples for various reasons, there are no single reason, like a political standing. This reminds me awful lot about the movie where a person is trying to be convicted for being a communist, because he in his youth (i.e. not saying anything about present day) decided to go to meetings for communists, eventhough he did go there, because he wanted to hang out with a hot girl, not because he cared about politics.

Finally, people can be labelled marxists, without that meaning they've all the attributes of a marxist. That means, eventhough you maybe could label Obama as a marxist, it does not mean he'd go and take your property away from you. You see some attributes in someone, you put a label on them, but it's incorrect to assume that they now stand for all parts of said label, again because I think black & white should be threated equal, does not mean I support DP, eventhough there might exist such a label.

If you want to truely find out what Obamas political standards are, in the moment of which he makes decisions, you look through his decisions and put him in X% of each categori. No one is completely liberal, socialist, conservative, etc. you can always find someone from whose perspective where a person is at least partial anything. It's up to you, to have a sufficient high level of justification to find out if it really matters to you.
So Obama is what? 45% of ideas can be labeled as liberal, 45% can be labeled as socialist, and 10% can be labeled as a lot of other stuff?

Edit: So if Marx had added, you've to believe Jesus is God to be a marxist, then only christian people can be marxists? So what does it require for someone to be labelled a marxist in your book?
Honestly, labelings like those are completely useless. Look at the persons qualities and sum them up, you can call them whatever you want to, that doesn't change who the person is, nor does the label uniquely determine the given persons actions.
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posted June 16, 2010 09:13 AM

The fact is that associating with Communists does not make one a Communist.
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