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posted July 03, 2010 02:38 AM bonus applied by shyranis on 21 Jul 2011.
Edited by xerox at 03:19, 03 Jul 2010.

Xerox's Book Thread

You have heard a lot of this and now I am gonna start to seriously work on it. Hardcore. I have just finished the backstory of the japanese/east asian-inspired Wood elves as the prologue chapter is set in their capital city of Shiromar, Diralis.

I made this thread because I've been talking a lot about this and its the project of my life so far. While I of course have all the story in my head already (though it expands and changes every day), I am going to need some advice etc. I have a ton of debates in my head and the most major one is about the naming of cities and such (should I name all cities and lands translated to swedish/english, in their own language or mix it?) but I will touch that later on.

I am going to post the prologue chapter later (early version obviously). Translated to english of course though I might also post the original swedish one aswell.

I would also like to already thank HC. I had some great inspiration from here. One of the main races, the Snow elves (I promise you, there are only two kinds of elves who are barely related and are completly different) were inspired from a Faction Contest which I participated in and I got a perfect name for my fantasy planet (Sceracion) from one of my favorite users - the always so clever and intelligent Cepheus.

edit: Oh, and if you are interested in my early take on the Wood elves, than I wrote very briefly about them on my wiki to build up some backstory about them.
It can be found here: http://sceracion.wikia.com/wiki/Wood_Elf

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posted July 03, 2010 04:45 AM

When do the African-inspired Orcs come in?
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Elvin
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posted July 03, 2010 09:09 AM

Snow elves? I feel deeply offended! So xerox, if we help you with names do we get percentages in the book sales?
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posted July 03, 2010 10:34 AM

I got a better question: if we help you with names... will you leave us alone?
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posted July 03, 2010 10:57 AM

Actually I wish you good luck with writing. In my country, I have like 0% chance to publish mine.
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posted July 03, 2010 11:54 AM

Good luck xerox, Post the swedish version too, it's always betterin original.
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shyranis
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posted July 03, 2010 01:19 PM

Good luck with the book Xerox ^_^
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DagothGares
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posted July 03, 2010 02:10 PM
Edited by DagothGares at 14:11, 03 Jul 2010.

Quote:
Actually I wish you good luck with writing. In my country, I have like 0% chance to publish mine.
Send an english manuscript to an english publisher? If it's good, they'll buy it.

Anyway, xerox, names aren't important. Try to convey a fascinating story. World comes second.

EDIT: @DF wait, the witcher comes from a publisher in your country, right? try sending a manuscript to that publisher!
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posted July 04, 2010 04:50 PM

wait what! No way I want to make the world first and then create the story line and twist them together!!

And I am going to love to read all your story things, do post I hope thyey are good
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posted July 04, 2010 06:34 PM

The world should shine through the story.
Not the other way around.
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posted July 04, 2010 06:52 PM
Edited by Keksimaton at 19:24, 04 Jul 2010.

Dagoth has a point. It would be good for storytelling to shape the world in a way that best accomodates the story. After all, isn't the point of fantastic elements to aid the storytelling?

Fantasy worlds for the sake of fantasy worlds are better suited for roleplaying campaigns in games such as D&D.

Best of luck Xerox dude.

Edit: What does it mean when you say in the wood elf page of your wiki:
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The Wood elves use a very complex language made out of signs.
Do you mean that they communicate mainly by different gestures or do you mean that they construct signposts in order to exchange ideas? Or do you refer to writing by logograms?

It would definitely also help in getting some kind of an idea of what the language is like if there were some concepts from linguistic typology.
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DagothGares
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posted July 04, 2010 08:38 PM
Edited by DagothGares at 20:49, 04 Jul 2010.

Xerox...
I think you should just drop the orcs altogether...
The elves too...

Seriously, fantasy writers need to stop paying homage to Tolkien someday

EDIT: and don't be a hack and create creatures that are basically orcs but are called "Urgals" or "Sranc" or something.

Don't be like Paolini.

EDIT2: You know why I hesitate buying fantasy novels? I've had some really crap ones. Don't you dare making a crap one!
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posted July 04, 2010 10:18 PM

Quote:
names aren't important


For many authors they are from key importance.
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DagothGares
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posted July 04, 2010 10:23 PM

Quote:
Quote:
names aren't important


For many authors they are from key importance.
How so?
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posted July 04, 2010 10:32 PM
Edited by Adrius at 22:33, 04 Jul 2010.

Been writing on my own little fantasy story for a while actually.

Developing the story in my head all the time, the world needs some work though but it should develop nicely as the story goes on.

A teacher of mine who read some of it (started writing as a school project actually) told me he thought it was quite similar to the Mistborn series. I don't really like it when people read my unfinished work though.
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posted July 04, 2010 10:42 PM

Quote:
Quote:
Actually I wish you good luck with writing. In my country, I have like 0% chance to publish mine.
Send an english manuscript to an english publisher? If it's good, they'll buy it.


I can't write that good in english... Books need a lot of style which is unfortunately out of my reach when it comes to secondary languages...


Quote:
EDIT: @DF wait, the witcher comes from a publisher in your country, right? try sending a manuscript to that publisher!


Yes, Witcher has been wrote by a Pole. However, it took almost 20 years and a successful game to make those stories interesting to publishers around the world. Perhaps it's because the language used in it was particularly hard to translate and loses a lot of meaning when read in non-Polish language.
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DagothGares
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posted July 04, 2010 10:47 PM

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Yes, Witcher has been wrote by a Pole. However, it took almost 20 years and a successful game to make those stories interesting to publishers around the world. Perhaps it's because the language used in it was particularly hard to translate and loses a lot of meaning when read in non-Polish language.
Wait, so you're doing it for international acclaim?


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posted July 04, 2010 10:58 PM

not really. I'm just giving an example that even GREAT books don't get much attention for foreign publishers
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posted July 04, 2010 11:03 PM
Edited by DagothGares at 23:06, 04 Jul 2010.

Ah, but you still have domestic publishers of fantasy, which is something I don't have. Say, if I were to write a fantasy manuscript, I'd probably end up sending something to Luitingh or Orbit (english publishers), because I could only get away with post-modernist books or crime novels or incredibly unique ones (which probably are post-modenrist in a way) in Belgium.
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posted July 04, 2010 11:07 PM

Polish inner-marked is swarmed by fantasy books though. To a point where you really need to be awesome to get released, I fear

I'm going to try anyways, however Xerox once wrote that he found a publisher with ease. Idk whether he was trolling back then or not, but if so, I wish it was so easy here
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