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Thread: NASA's new mission
Elodin
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posted July 06, 2010 07:46 PM

NASA's new mission

What happened to space exploration?

Buiding ties to the Muslim world


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"When I became the NASA administrator, [Obama] charged me with three things," NASA head Charles Bolden said in a recent interview with the Middle Eastern news network al-Jazeera. "One, he wanted me to help re-inspire children to want to get into science and math; he wanted me to expand our international relationships; and third, and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science, math, and engineering."

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posted July 06, 2010 07:47 PM

It sort of became unprofitable.
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posted July 06, 2010 07:50 PM

Why is this even newsworthy?
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posted July 06, 2010 07:53 PM

The logic is, if they're in space, they're not here any more.
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posted July 06, 2010 08:06 PM

I don't think many of the muslim countries would be very interested to work together with the NASA.
Also doesn't islam reject the whole concept of space? I mean I think I heard one of those chief-guys say that there is just earth and Allah. Everything else is a lie spread by the Americans and Jews to confuse us.
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posted July 06, 2010 08:53 PM

Islam do not reject something about astronomi and science, they actually got guidelines for following the advancement of socity more or less. Compared to the other 2 baseline religions, they have a bit more respect for technology, which........... really does not affect anything
What I guess the intention is to  increase recruitment, since there likely is many skilled mathematicans and enginners from the Muslim countries... to recruit?
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posted July 06, 2010 09:31 PM

Gues I misheard the guy then.
Still as you say that does not change a thing, as it's unlikely many muslims will want to work with the americans.
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posted July 06, 2010 09:37 PM
Edited by bixie at 21:39, 06 Jul 2010.

It's actually quite telling of this forum from the short number of responses I have read, but I digress.

I actually think this is a massive step forward. Finally, a move towards something all countries to move into. Traditionally, Nasa has always been a very american instituation, but if it's opened up as a multinational organisation, then we can properly progress in space travel, possibly get people future than the moon, and actually start to get out and explore the universe.

admittedly, it's a slim possiblity, but at least it's better than no possiblity, and it's a different, and, dare I say it, less ham-handed approach than invade, kill, "democratise", fight insurgence, then leave.
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posted July 06, 2010 09:38 PM
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Still as you say that does not change a thing, as it's unlikely many muslims will want to work with the americans.

Why not? There are quite a few Muslim countries who are in good relationship with the USA. And there is a significant community of Muslims with the States who are just as American as anyone else. Why wouldn't they want to take a prestigious position in NASA?
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posted July 06, 2010 09:52 PM

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There are quite a few Muslim countries who are in good relationship with the USA.


Which ones are those? I know the relationship with Turkey is not unreasonable, but they constantly bicker about the Turk's treatment of the Kurds. Dubai's relation is also pretty good, but they are in desperate need of skill workers and intellectuals so Dubai's importing them.

Other then those I know of none with good relations with the US.
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posted July 06, 2010 10:20 PM

Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, that is, those that count. Iraq.

Then there are those who are not hostile, openly or otherwise, and would take part beecause of the simple fact that they don't HAVE to decline.

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posted July 06, 2010 10:35 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 22:50, 06 Jul 2010.

There's a divide between the mob of immature simpletons at pubs and the kind of people that would be working with NASA. Of course they'll work with NASA and NASA will work with them, it's not even seriously debatable, nor is it anything new. They all have a mutual passion in space exploration. Probably 95% of these people avoid partisan politics like a plague.
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posted July 06, 2010 11:39 PM

Where does the article say anything about this being a means to recruit people for NASA? It doesn't even imply it. It sounds more like a way to both promote science and engineering in general, and also to help build relationships with Muslim nations through a mutual interest.

As far as who would want to work for NASA, it has nothing to do with which countries they are from, it has to do with the individuals. In engineering there have always been a fair number of engineers from the Middle East, especially Iraq, Iran and Pakistan.

Just about all professional organizations have branches that promote the profession, general education and interest in their area. This has always been true of NASA as well. The differences seem to be that this has become a major component of NASA, and the Middle East is more specifically targeted.

However I seriously question if this will stand. Obama seems to do a lot of things (like this) that he doesn't have the power to do, or at least it's highly questionable if he has the power. In large US agencies like NASA, the Congress allocates money for specific programs. Even though technically the president is the head administrator, he doesn't have the ability to simply change the way funds are allocated by Congress. Budgeting, and therefore the types of programs allowed, is the sole province of the congress. They might allocate a certain amount of discretionary funds that can be used for "whatever", but it would normally be a small amount.

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posted July 07, 2010 12:11 AM

Even in this age, people have an erroneous tendency to look at their head of state as though they were a king. Blame and credit for anything and everything falls on them for no good reason.
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posted July 07, 2010 02:39 PM

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However I seriously question if this will stand. Obama seems to do a lot of things (like this) that he doesn't have the power to do, or at least it's highly questionable if he has the power.



Indeed he does. But I doubt the Democrat controlled Congress will correct him on this since they seem to not have corrected him on his other misbehaviors.

NASA's primary function should be space exploration. They have no business "reaching out" to specific religions or trying to make certain religinos "feel good about themselves." Yet there has been no cry from the left about separation of church and state. Imagine that.
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posted July 08, 2010 12:18 AM

well, if it is space exploration they want, then maybe looking outside their boarders for new applicants would be a good start?

as stated before, I think this is a brilliant move, making it a multinational organisation.

and just because they are offering it to muslim countries does no mean that Nasa supports muslims, it's just that they are extending the offer out to them as a way to make a head way together

incase you haven't noticed, Elodin, America does not sit well in the middle eastern world. through countless operations, from supporting Isreal after it was scared out of the original palestinian land (somehow the right remain silent about seperation of church (scripture) and state (international policy)), to the deposing of Iran's democratically elected president in the 1950's to put up the Sha, to Afghanistan, to Iraq, both of whom they had supplied weapons to.

I don't know, maybe, just maybe, in all the crazy things in the world, the president of the USA, a professor in law, who is constantly being briefed about international incidents, knows a bit more about politics and law than you, elodin.
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posted July 08, 2010 12:34 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 07:24, 08 Jul 2010.

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well, if it is space exploration they want, then maybe looking outside their boarders for new applicants would be a good start?

as stated before, I think this is a brilliant move, making it a multinational organisation.


Because NASA never works and coordinates with other agencies, like ESA or JAXA.  


As for making it a multinational organization, that might be a comically ignorant suggestion based on the fact that it's basically part of the US Airforce. Granted, its role has become muddled, but it still definitely serves a large defense role. You would need to demolish its current position, or just make an entirely new space agency.

And America sits extremely well with the ME, relatively speaking. The USA is their #1 customer. No idea what you're talking about. The base population might not be so hot towards the States, but the layman has been and still is famous for not having a clue what's beneficial for them. It would be like the PM asking your opinion on something, as if (deep down) he actually values it.
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posted July 08, 2010 11:29 AM

yeah, it's probably me being naive.

still, if they are looking for employment from outside the us, it's rather distant from the US airforce.
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