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Carcity
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posted July 18, 2010 04:35 PM

Will's trip to England

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I was refused entry into the United Kingdom and was sent back home. It was quite possibly the worst experience of my life. Firstly, I will outline the reasons why I was refused and then explain what I went through.

I had received a letter outlining the following:

'You have asked for leave to enter the United Kingdom as a visitor for 2 months but I am not satisfied that you are genuinely seeking entry as a visitor for the limited period as stated by you. This is because you are coming to see a friend who you have never met, and only had a relationship over the Internet for the past 9 months. You stated you have taken 2 months leave off from work, but have no evidence of this, and you have limited funds to support your stay in the United Kingdom. Furthermore, your sponsor is claiming Job Seekers Allowance, and you will not be able to support you financially. Nor has she informed her father you will be staying at his house whilst he is on holiday for a couple of weeks.'

Firstly, it doesn't matter if I have never met my friend or anything, the fact is is that I have talked to her on Skype, a video conference program, and have seen her on camera and heard her voice. Why would I go half way across the world to go and meet a complete stranger? Better yet, here is the problem with meeting somebody who you're in a relationship with but have never met? If it doesn't work out then that's our problem, that shouldn't be a problem with the Immigration Control. What my friend and myself do, that's up to us at the end of the day. Whether we will like each other or not, if it'll work out or not, that is irrelevant to Immigration Control. We live in a modern world and long distance relationships work out all the time.

Next, isn't it ******* obvious that if I am taking a holiday for 6 weeks that I have ******* taken leave off work? And better yet, that is, again, irrelevant to Immigration. What has my working status have to do with Immigration? What kind of ******* ***** would not understand that? You work, you take a holiday, any intelligent person would automatically clock the fact that "oh, he must have taken leave off work". And better yet, if you still don't clock that, why the **** do I need evidence of it? That's got NOTHING to do with it.

Limited funds? I'm only there for 6 weeks and I have about 1000 Pounds and my dad was willing to put more money into my account online. The Immigration Officer didn't seem to understand that you could do that and it's either his way or no way at all. And why does it matter if my partner is on Job Seekers Allowance? What the **** does that have to do with anything at all? And about the dad situation, my friend is 24 years old, turning 25 this year. She's a ******* Adult, as I will be tomorrow. She doesn't have to tell him anything.

Now, onto what happened. Basically, I got to Border control and, at first, I was with an English guy but I forgot to write out the landing card thing, which I had to do and then I would be put with the next available person, which I did. Now, I am not racist, but the guy was Indian, so he wasn't exactly the best person to be with. This is where things started going downhill. He was quite rude to me and didn't seem to understand the situation. If it had of been anybody else, say, an English person, then I would have been able to go through. Now, he called my friend and he was rude to her. Lying to both me and her because on several occasions, both to her and myself, he said everything will be alright and in the end, look how things turned out.

I was then put into an Immigration room at about 7 am or so where I thought I would only be in there for a few minutes and it would all be sorted. Turned out I would be in there until 10 pm that night after a flight back to Australia at 9 pm was stuffed up. Instead of William they put Stephen, so I was unable to leave. I got back to the Immigration Room at about 9:30 where I stayed for another hour or so and then had to be taken, along with my luggage, in a caged van to a Detention Centre where I then stayed until 6 am. I was unable to get into a room or sleep in a bed because the staff eventually got to me at 5 am and I had to leave at 6 am. I was then taken to another immigration room where I was meant to get a flight at 12 pm which they, again, ****** up on and I had to wait until a flight which i did get on which was 9 hours later. Throughout this whole time, I was unable to use my mobile Phone because it had a camera on it and was only really able to talk to my friend on a payphone, which I did for several hours.

Throughout this time, I had tried to appeal my case but the woman that was talking to me was, like the Indian man, very rude to me and arguing with me about everything I was saying. I had wanted to see the Chief of Immigration so that my story could be heard and perhaps sense could be seen, but alas, that was not to be and I got this ******* ***** instead who basically said "Our word is law and nothing's changing, you're getting the **** back home!". Not exactly in those words but you catch the drift.

So I got on my flight, with 2 other Australians who were refused entry, escorted by guards, and then got off at Singapore where I was, again, but in an Immigration room for a small time and also escorted by guards. It's like I was a ******* criminal or something. When I got to Australia, it was all fine again.

I just wanted to write this note to let everybody know what was going on and to hear the reasons as to why I was refused entry.

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blizzardboy
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posted July 18, 2010 04:50 PM

lol

He's still silenced?
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Azagal
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posted July 18, 2010 05:45 PM

...will is silenced? How the hell did that happen? And where?
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blizzardboy
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posted July 18, 2010 05:54 PM

He probably pulled another Mel Gibson. I know he arbitrarily yells at people in the music thread at least once a week.
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posted July 18, 2010 05:58 PM

First off Blizzardboi, if you don't have anything constructive to say, then please don't day it in this thread. After this event that happened to me, all you have to say is "lol, is he still silenced". Like, seriously mate? You don't even have the audacity to listen to my PM that I had sent to you and instead keep trying to post more off topic nonsense about me being silenced. Right now, that is on the bottom of what I am thinking right now and this thread was meant to let people who knew I was leaving what happened. I know somebody like Guitarguy might like to have known what was going on and how I was faring. So I'd appreciate it if you maybe said something either on topic or just not say anything at all because this thread isn't really appropriate for that and I really don't appreciate it. You're acting very similar to how a so called "friend" was treating me yesterday, the fact that he was actually bagging me out on it and laughing at me.

If you went through this, even if you and me didn't get along, I'd still try to at least talk with you to see if you're doing alright and be able to sympathise with you a bit. I would NOT act like the way you are right now.

So what's your problem?

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Azagal
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posted July 18, 2010 07:06 PM

Holy **** man oO. That's terrible. I mean you explained why they wouldn't let you in but I don't really understand it... guess they were afraid that you would be staying for good? Not that they seemed to have much reason not to let you in. "You've never seen your friend" seems like a reaaaally (like exceptionally retarded)messed up excuse for sending someone back home wtf?
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posted July 18, 2010 07:10 PM

I know. My gf and her friends and her dad think that there's something missing, that perhaps somebody tipped Immigration that I was coming and maybe wanted to stay longer than intended. They must've thought I wanted to stay indefinitely, but I was only thinking about extending the flight within a certain amount that I am allowed, because the reasons that were given to me are really not satisfactory enough to not let somebody in the country, let alone somebody who is only visiting for 6 weeks. Disgraceful, you know?

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posted July 18, 2010 07:20 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 19:21, 18 Jul 2010.

I was laughing about Carcity making a post on your behalf, not at your experience, though to be frank I'm not sympathetic towards what happened to you, but I wasn't laughing about it either.
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posted July 18, 2010 07:21 PM

Well I can understand why you wouldn't be sympathetic but that doesn't bother me. Only the people that matter would be sympathetic. Fair enough though, Sorry about misunderstanding.

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posted July 18, 2010 07:33 PM

You're a Commonwealth citizen. Isn't there free migration between Commonwealth countries, anyway?
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posted July 18, 2010 07:39 PM

I know. It's a very stupid  situation and one that, to be honest, should never have occurred. That's why my gf and her friends think that there may have been something else to this. It just doesn't seem right.

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posted July 18, 2010 07:44 PM

Ouch that does suck. But I get the feeling you did not do your paperwork or look into what was required before leaving for England. It's not as simple to just move to another country, for better or worse there are rules and bureocracy involved. Your words don't mean a damn to them, you have to back them up with something.

I'm sorry you had to deal with all that.
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posted July 18, 2010 07:46 PM

Thanks Elvin. But trust me, we did all that. They wouldn't even listen to a Solicitor, wouldn't listen to anybody who had documents. They seemed to have a problem with the fact that I didn't have a bank statement but I could have just gone to an ATM and got a printout of how much money I had in my bank account. All of those problems, if they had of listened, would have been solved but they were very stubborn and their mind was already made up before anything could be done. I did a lot of research into this and I didn't really leave anything out. I know it isn't easy but the reasons they gave? come on. lol

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posted July 18, 2010 08:08 PM

You should've just replied "I say, old bean! Enjoy your Muslims."
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ohforfsake
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posted July 18, 2010 08:22 PM

Not that it matters much, but I do symphatize with you.
I really dislike it when you're dependent of other humans (or in general, living things) to get what you want.
Especially in such a trivial matters where it isn't even justified by anything else than the nationalism type of thought of "us" vs "them" and "what can the citizen do for the state" in stead of "what can the state do for the citizen".

Anyway, my own thoughts on these kind of "snow happens" stuff, where other people seem to simply don't care, or be able to care, is to focus on how in the future to prevent something like this.

What are your ideas for the future, that could possibly have prevented this outcome, or at least made you better prepared for it? [I personally have none, but at least maybe you got something positive out of it this way?]

It's in cases like these you really just want to have the power to say something like "screw you people, I'm not going to use my time on your people, I'm going to England and you can't do anything to stop me, it's none of your business".

Oh well, I hope it all gets resolved to your advantage as quickly as possible. All I can say is that I think it's best not to dwelve on the 'stupid' people and ones negative feelings towards them, but rather how to deal with such a situation (probably type of person) in the future and focus on doing what you originally wanted to, which I think is to get to England, and not focusing on how irritated that I'd guess you're on those people (at least I'd probably be).

I wish you the best.
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posted July 18, 2010 08:30 PM

Sorry to hear that. If you believe that all your paperwork was in place and if you have the energy to see this through, I guess you can turn to some place of official importance like your Foreign Affairs ministry or the English Embassy and demand explanations and compensation.

Anyway, better luck next time.
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posted July 18, 2010 09:20 PM

I know how it feels. The first 18 years of my life I had to ask permission from my government 12 months before the trip, and wait for 10% chance to be approved. Then after immigrating in France, because of my romanian passport I had to ask a visa for each country to visit and wait about 4 months for a 20% chance.

So you got it once, not big deal. 2/3 of world population can't get out from their mother land for similar reasons.
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Binabik
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posted July 18, 2010 10:42 PM

I'm fairly familiar with the immigration and visa laws in the US, and I've looked briefly into the policies of some other countries just for comparison. (by "fairly familiar" I mean as a layman who has spent a fair amount of time looking into it, not as an expert or anything)

I think most countries have somewhat similar policies as far as the types of things they look at - although the weight they place on them varies quite a bit. I've never looked at GB, but I've looked at Australia a little.

With any type of temporary visitation, whether it requires a visa, a passport, or only proof of citizenship, the main concern of the host country is that you won't stay. (also security issues, but that's a different topic) This is true whether it's a holiday visit, a student visa, work visa, or any other type of temporary entry into the country.

The host country is not under any obligation to allow entry. Simply "wanting" to enter the country is not justification. Having the intention of visiting and then leaving is not good enough. As the visitor it's entirely up to you to convince the host country that you will not stay, and it's largely a judgment call on their part.

One of the main things that they will look at are ties to your home country. A person who is older, is married with kids, has had a good high paying job for several years and owns a home is much lower risk of staying than someone with no job, no wife or kids and no (or little) money.

Now whether he thinks so or not, Will falls into a high risk category. They don't know his intentions, they only look at concrete evidence and play the odds. But aside from the things mentioned above, the following puts him in a much higher risk category of staying in Britain:

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Why would I go half way across the world to go and meet a complete stranger? Better yet, here is the problem with meeting somebody who you're in a relationship with but have never met? If it doesn't work out....


So the big question is: what if the relationship DOES work? (which I assume was the purpose of the visit to start with). If the relationship "works", isn't it logical to assume that one of you would be moving to the other's country? Sure, it could continue as a long distance online relationship, but what is the intent here?

If I were young and it was me in this situation, if the relationship worked out I probably WOULD stay in Britain in violation of the law. And that will be true of a lot of other people. The immigration office knows this and they are just playing the odds, and Will really is a high risk.

Aside from all the explanations, yea it sucks to fly that far and spend so much money only to be turned away.

BTW, this isn't the first time this has happened to an HC member. I'm not at liberty to say who that was though. I'll just say that it involved different countries than GB and Aus, and the person who was turned away was not the HC member, but the other person. I'll also say that it eventually worked out. I don't know if they got married, but for sure they are living together and have a child now.

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posted July 18, 2010 10:53 PM

I guess you're right, however, I wouldn't want to risk canceling the flight or even extending it because both those options costs money. If I have a return ticket then it assumes that I will be returning back but I guess Immigration has to be safe. Still, the reasons that they gave were very poor and the Indian guy who was giving me trouble was rude to my dad, my gf and myself and also, as I have now found out due to more research on Immigration Control, that he left out information such as saying if I have the right to Appeal. I asked at the time and he said nothing about it. He also never once gave his name to my dad or my gf or even myself, so it makes it harder to write a complaint to the UK Border Agency which I shall be doing. I guess a signature is enough if it has to do with one of their employees and the way I was treated by people in the Immigration centre?

Now that I do think about it and all, you are right Bin, the fact that they do have to make sure that I am not staying in the country and all because of various reasons but it was just frustrating that nobody was listening. They gave me a number to call and a number for my gf and dad to call, which they did, only for them to say to my gf "I can't talk anymore, Goodbye" and then hung up on her and then for them to treat my Dad like absolute rubbish.

Thanks for the posts everyone and thanks for the information post, Bin. We have an alternative for meeting up now which will most likely work out. No matter what happens, we're not giving up.

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Binabik
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posted July 18, 2010 11:34 PM

I think it's probably universal around the world that government bureaucrats are rude.

This is probably a good topic that should be in every forum on the net. Considering the number of online relationships that develop these days, it's a good idea for people to be informed. Even if the people in the thread aren't experts, at least it can give people an idea about the types of things to watch out for, and maybe avoid some of the more common mistakes.


I have a lot more knowledge about immigration to the US, as opposed to temporary entry. But as I said, for temporary entry they look to make sure you won't stay. For immigration they know you are staying and want to make sure you don't become a financial burden on the country. In the US most immigrants have a sponsor and the financial responsibility is on the sponsor, not the immigrant. The sponsor doesn't need to have a large income, but just enough to be able to minimally support the immigrant. The last I checked, it was only around $15K or so per year, but that was several years ago.

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