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DarkLord
DarkLord


Supreme Hero
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posted April 09, 2011 02:53 PM

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Options make things easier.

We want a hard, strategy game like H1 or H3....differentiate the men from the boys....


well.. don't use it then..!
i personally won't use it ,
but people should have an option,
so it's fair to everyone!

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lordriton
lordriton


Known Hero
posted April 09, 2011 03:53 PM

World of Warcraft is so successfull (over 12 millions of players), that it influences every other gaming company. In WoW you can respec as much as you want,  it just costs you some money (not much for a lvl 85). also you can choose your skills, there is no randomness. Guess this is just another copy-paste from WoW here


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Kenishi
Kenishi


Famous Hero
passed out drunk in Tavern's
posted April 09, 2011 05:00 PM
Edited by Kenishi at 17:02, 09 Apr 2011.

Hmm the respec thing, well is just another way to, how to put it "help" you go for a single hero build, not saying is bad or good push, but the for me the idea of respec is a good thing because it will allow to build a fighter or magician/economic hero (taking in consideration that some skills will have an effect on money/resource income and creature pool) and after I've secured a powerful economic Empire I just respec and devote my hero to fighting ... as for the downside some people already mentioned them, and I agree whit most but will see how it playes out.
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Cepheus
Cepheus


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Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
posted April 09, 2011 05:45 PM

I'm not so sure about the free respec myself; I think it should come with at least some kind of consequence, like a cost in resources or limited to one hero per map, something of that nature. We'll probably have to see it in action before passing a final judgement, though.
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Wckey
Wckey


Famous Hero
posted April 09, 2011 07:05 PM

I think the respec is great if you can only change once per map. I think it's great for you to create your hero with the abilities you think are the best and when you finally meet your foe, you can change in order to prepare yourself against him.

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Kenishi
Kenishi


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passed out drunk in Tavern's
posted April 09, 2011 07:51 PM
Edited by Kenishi at 08:45, 10 Apr 2011.

Bottom line is this new thing (for Heroes) might be a fun one, redistribute the points you've earned to counter the enemy might ad some new strategy and why not to some appeal (or not), for me at list is something that will be well worth to fiddle around whit but to be leveled whit it it does require you to go to castle to respec and it's probably on deal only (if you could over and over might become unpleasant and un-blanced)... can't wait to play the game ...
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Zenofex
Zenofex


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Kreegan-atheist
posted April 09, 2011 08:00 PM

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@ zenofex: Of course we now that the game is not going to be perfect (tell me one game that was/is/will be perfect) but a lot of people here are so negative that they only look into the bad part.

I can play a game with any of you if you want:
For every bad thing about the game I will tell you a good thing and a game where that wasn't present.
And other people are so positive that it looks like they are abusing dangerous drugs but nobody tells them to stop chanting how great the game will be every 2 pages. The whole point is to discuss things, not to depreciate someone's opinion only because it's very different from yours. If you can prove that you are right, then prove it.
As for the rest - we still know very little about the game and it's very hard to tell for sure what's "good" and what's "bad" so your game is totally pointless. I'm talking strictly about the game mechanics here, not about subjective issues like whether the female Angels are better or worse than the male ones, does the graphics look good, should the town screens be restored to their normal size and so on. What we are talking about all the time is expectations. Which is not the same as facts, agree?

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Azagal
Azagal


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Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
posted April 09, 2011 09:41 PM

I really don't understand all the complaining. And most of the people who only see the downside probably haven't played much H5.
Now let's go with this partially correct statement so far
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The only real need I can see for the respec option would be to get rid of skills you didn't want but got stuck with at random, since this game eliminated that, it seems redundant.

Correct. Seems weird indeed. But you seem to neglect that a Heroes game consists of different phases as any strategy game early-mid and lategame. I think it's reasonable to offer the player the chance to redefine what his hero does since different phases of the game ask for different qualities.
I can tell you for sure that I wouldn't want to be caught dead with Expert WM be it with Burning Arrows or not in a late game fight if I can avoid it. That are 5 skillpoints I could have spent a hell of a lot better but I needed them earlygame for creeping.
You might say that your speedier early game such have been the tradeoff for your loss lategame but it really isn't as easy as that. In H5 some factions had an absurdly hard time creeping without WM (I'm looking at you Inferno with Gating Micro and Mark of the Damned spam...oh god the pain) and the bonus early game really doesn't compare to the disadvantage lategame especially if you face someone who didn't have to sacrifice that much to have similarly good creeping.

Also note that this actually adds to the strategic picture depending on the map. If you build your hero with the thought in mind that you'll be able to respec at 20 you might just go for every bonus you can but be almost defenseless against an opponent that pushes for you aggresively and reaches you before you're able to respec.

One thing is clear the respecing makes things easier but it also gives you more freedom. I would however agree that it should somehow be regulated it needs to come at such a price that it isn't an easy decision afterall you should also be rewarded for intelligently leveling up or beating early creeps without much help. Players need to get some form of advantage for not doing it over the player that goes for it therefore the tradeoff for the respec needs to be somewhat significant.
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Zenofex
Zenofex


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Kreegan-atheist
posted April 09, 2011 10:27 PM
Edited by Zenofex at 22:40, 09 Apr 2011.

I'd say that properly scaling skills/spells beat respecing any day simply because they render it unnecessary. Sure, certain skills/spells have to remain relatively weaker than others but this doesn't mean useless at all. My concern with the respecing is that they are actually planning some of the skills/spells to be usable with good efficiency only during the early-mid game phase and after that to become almost or completely useless which requires the said redistribution of the skill points (the incredibly stupid statement that the direct damage spells were too powerful before kind of points in the same direction). The other thing is - what happens if a lvl 20 hero who has already managed to re-allocate his skill points meets a lvl 19 hero who has, say, 50 XP less but because of this is still stuck with his early game skills and spells?.
Of course thus could all be avoided with a good balancing. The question is - will the respecing be optional or necessary to keep your hero effective?

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Elvin
Elvin


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Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
posted April 09, 2011 10:41 PM

Another question would be have they even kept the respec option as we know it?
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Azagal
Azagal


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
posted April 09, 2011 11:01 PM

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The other thing is - what happens if a lvl 20 hero who has already managed to re-allocate his skill points meets a lvl 19 hero who has, say, 50 XP less but because of this is still stuck with his early game skills and spells?.

That's ridiculously good timing paying off while being a tad lucky.
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Wckey
Wckey


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posted April 09, 2011 11:27 PM
Edited by Wckey at 23:29, 09 Apr 2011.

I found something interesting, although I don't think is something related to this thread.

A polish site is making a contest about drawing creatures. I don't speak polish, but google tradutor can help with this problem. This is the site: http://www.gry-online.pl/promocje.asp?ID=42

And these are the people who already have their works ready: http://www.youtube.com/video_response_view_all?v=WRz47Q5sC2E

Well, I know it isn't a big deal, but it's nice to see some fan works (because H6 is lacking them).
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OnLy4DuNgEoN
OnLy4DuNgEoN


Adventuring Hero
posted April 10, 2011 01:35 PM

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God... It's just not fair that they gave us so much news for a long period of time and now we get absolutely nothing.

+1

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Alustor
Alustor


Famous Hero
ooo da :)
posted April 10, 2011 03:34 PM

when will we get some official info about town screens?

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KingImp
KingImp


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posted April 10, 2011 04:20 PM

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when will we get some official info about town screens?


April 20th when we see it for ourselves during the Beta.

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DarkLord
DarkLord


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posted April 10, 2011 05:29 PM
Edited by DarkLord at 17:30, 10 Apr 2011.

Quote:
Quote:
when will we get some official info about town screens?


April 20th when we see it for ourselves during the Beta.



seems so, as there was no official response to town-screen question..
the only thing was that they know many fans negative reaction..
whether Dev's will do something about it or no , is still unknown..

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kagman
kagman

Tavern Dweller
posted April 10, 2011 05:37 PM

So about apr. 20th. I know there was a leak some time ago about various postings on the main site that have thusfar been accurate and I believe that is where that date came from yah? Has this apr 20th date been confirmed by anything more substantive than that leak?
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DarkLord
DarkLord


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posted April 10, 2011 05:43 PM

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So about apr. 20th. I know there was a leak some time ago about various postings on the main site that have thusfar been accurate and I believe that is where that date came from yah? Has this apr 20th date been confirmed by anything more substantive than that leak?


you never know my friend, you never know..

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adriancat
adriancat


Famous Hero
Protector Of The Peace
posted April 10, 2011 07:59 PM

As I see,Ubisoft doesn't share more information about the game with the fans.SO: LONG LIVE 20th APRIL AND 23rd JUNE!!!

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brukernavn
brukernavn

Hero of Order
posted April 10, 2011 10:58 PM

The release date in June is official, the beta release date is not. But we know April 20th was at least the planned date not so long ago.

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