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DoubleDeck
DoubleDeck


Promising
Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
posted July 03, 2011 12:30 PM

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Which is the antagonist? Michael or Faceless?

Michael is trying to use the Griffin family to finish his war against the Faceless. That's how Ubisoft described the plot of the game.


Yeah but who's the baddie and who's the goodie?

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xerox
xerox


Promising
Undefeatable Hero
posted July 03, 2011 12:45 PM

did you see the screenshot of the dragon in the artwork thread? it looks amazing

also I can't wait to see how that big inferno worm will look on the battlefield!
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Zenofex
Zenofex


Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
posted July 03, 2011 12:58 PM
Edited by Zenofex at 12:59, 03 Jul 2011.

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i'm sick of red demons, I want some color variation.
Here you are - the legendary pink demon:




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Eugene_Xaar
Eugene_Xaar


Hired Hero
posted July 03, 2011 01:13 PM

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Mother Namtaru (necro)
Queen breeder (inferno)
Demon (inferno)
Abyssal Worm
Water dragon / Dragon Eel

What are the other 3?



Uriel, Michael  --- Angels  

Azkaal, Ahribban ---- Pit Lords

Hai Ryou,Spirit of Water dragon ---  Dragon Eel.

Different fractions of different opponents.
Some bosses have the same model but different names.

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Darkem
Darkem


Known Hero
posted July 03, 2011 01:31 PM

Crazy Theory:
I think that those "Dark Elves" are from the last campaign/map. Michael is trying to defeat all his old/ancient "ENEMIES" - yes: the faceless. In fact Michael (I suposse) is "THE BAD GUY" that means: his "ENEMIES" aren't so bad (or not as bad as he is), so they gonna help us in the last map (In destroying/stopping archangel).
Shadow elemental looks exacly as shadow elemental, dragon is a boss, and female dark elf wields stuff with the same model as Inferno's Magic Heroes (neutral), so we do not see reall dungeon  .

I really enoy the beta (even with white water & crazy mouse pointer bugs ). Thanks Elvin for your advice (with download) !

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Eugene_Xaar
Eugene_Xaar


Hired Hero
posted July 03, 2011 04:41 PM

I never, never said that these creatures belongs to the faction DUNGEON. There is no such faction.

I just wanted to let fans of the game saw them!

All these characters are from the editor of Heroes 6.

Some of these creatures must meet in the game, as neutrals or bosses.

Some will be presented as an NPC or story characters in the campaigns.

Some of these creatures do not.

But all these beings are made in one color scheme - a combination of black and purple. Their design, aesthetics are made in the same style  style Dungeons

All of these creatures in any way connected with Dragon of Darkness - Malassa.

I did not the first to call these creatures of darkness the soldiers of the same faction.

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Davy
Davy


Known Hero
posted July 03, 2011 07:00 PM

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PUKES

So many people like this ugly graphics it hurts my soul to see this.

That dragon looks like it is made by a child of 14 that just passed his graphic exames, those humanoids I want dead, the copied darkness elemental is horrid, I like it as unit but a cheap copied shadow elemental would be so stupid, and the faceless is the only unit I would like, but rather as a boss, not a unit.

And I know they are (THANK GOD FOR THAT) not for the dungeon town, but BLACKHOLE is so cheap that they will probably just re-use these creatures and turn them into a dungeon town anyway, so they don't have to work on it that much...


I also dislike the wings,they look like black butterfly-wings.

I also thought already,that the dungeon will have some kind of shadow elemental in its lineup,just like heaven has a light elemental and sanctuary has a water elemental(and since the descriptions of all the elementals say,that there are different kinds of each elemental,I think,that every elemental faction will have an elemental)

However the rest of the dragon looks fine.As far as I know,the dragon is a boss,not a unit,so it is okay,that he doesn't look like a normal dragon.

The faceless are not so good,maybe the dragon will summon them in the boss battle.

The dark elves are ok,it was predictable,that the dark elves will be the main race of the dungeon and as long as the lineup has not too much dark elves I don't mind them.


The bosses are kinda disappointing.
Even though we have 3 inferno bosses I think no one of them makes sense in any way.they just seem random and two of them are just stronger versions of inferno creatures.I would have liked if the bosses of the inferno were for example a fallen angel or a devil.

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SoilBurn
SoilBurn


Known Hero
BurnsSoil
posted July 03, 2011 07:04 PM

I do not understand the uproar, I personally find the revealed models (esp. faceless & female Dark Elf) magnificent and would be really glad to see them in a future expansion as a full-fledged Dungeon faction.

I bet Cate and Deidre (Elven sisters mentioned in the Prologue) play a major role in the expansion. All bets are on the not-very-well-hidden Elf vs. Dark Elf subtheme, i believe this would be the more obvious way to go in the 1st H6 expansion (I just hope they give us 2 factions instead of the usual 1).
But they have also hinted a lot towards Academy...hm



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Avirosb
Avirosb


Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
posted July 03, 2011 10:09 PM

Anything ever have the potential to be either lame or awesome.
I don't think you really want to experience Ubisoft's take on troglodytes.

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Charrclaw
Charrclaw


Known Hero
posted July 03, 2011 10:10 PM

Dark Elves are awesome.

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Davy
Davy


Known Hero
posted July 04, 2011 12:19 AM
Edited by Davy at 00:20, 04 Jul 2011.

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Dark Elves are so boring, why don't they just cut those crappy races that are new in homm5, dwarves and dark elves have proven to the more fantasy-loving persons over here that they are NOT WORTH OF A TOWN in a homm game, at least not in the way they were done in homm5.

Dark Elves are just horrid, Troglodytes, Faceless, Grimlocks whatever, everything is better than those horrid pale with black haired sex mistresses.


Seriously it is always said,by so many people,that M&M should not try to copy other franchises,but then I hear many people suggesting,to include creatures like troglodytes and Grimmlocks originate from D&D.
Dark elves have at least some origin in myths...

The dungeon and the fortress in HV were not that good,thats right,but that was just because there were too many dark elves/dwarves in those factions(especially dwarves).But if there are only one or two(one would be better) dark elves/dwarves in the factions,they would be much better.I mean troglodytes,faceless,grimmlocks and so on would all have horrible factions,if their factions would only feature seven times the same species....

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Avirosb
Avirosb


Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
posted July 04, 2011 01:19 AM

Troglodytes do not originate from DnD.

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MrDragon
MrDragon


Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
posted July 04, 2011 08:44 AM

For the sake of Dungeon's legacy, please only 1... maybe 2 dark elves, or ommit them entirely.
If they must include them, make them visually fresh and unique looking, maybe add some monstrous features, give them... horns/antlers or something, large fangs, an extra set of arms or maybe strands of shadow clinging to their forms as a result of a pact with Malassa.
Oooh ooh! or clawed feet, it's simple, but it just gives them a slight edge.

Just don't clad them in black spandex and leather with weird SM vibes and call it a day.

I hate elves with burning passion (ok... I strongly dislike them most of the time (like 98%)) but I must admit they have some potential when executed correctly.

Case in point:
MTG's elves in the Lorwyn block, actually porbably the most evil race in the Lorwyn/Morning Tide sets.
They have a culture where their highly subjective idea of beauty reigns supreme and everything that is not beautiful is considered an "eye blight" fit only to be killed.... "eye blights" being more or less everything that isn't an elf. Incedentaly, their colours are green (as usual) but also black, quite a number of them are black cards.
They are also visually more compelling to look at due to the simple inclusion of more triangular faces then usual and horns.

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Avirosb
Avirosb


Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
posted July 04, 2011 10:13 AM

I thought the Morrowind Dunmer were pretty cool.
Okay, maybe cool isn't the right word but their lore was pretty interesting.

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unicornblood
unicornblood


Hired Hero
Learning Human Soul
posted July 04, 2011 10:50 AM
Edited by unicornblood at 11:02, 04 Jul 2011.

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Dark Elves are so boring, why don't they just cut those crappy races that are new in homm5, dwarves and dark elves have proven to the more fantasy-loving persons over here that they are NOT WORTH OF A TOWN in a homm game, at least not in the way they were done in homm5.

Dark Elves are just horrid, Troglodytes, Faceless, Grimlocks whatever, everything is better than those horrid pale with black haired sex mistresses.


Nighterror, please understand once and for all that it is not all about what you want and what you care. All you want is basically a mashup of the entire M&M universe into a combination of your liking, but this cannot be achieved right now. As M&M:HVI is oriented on the same world (that of Ashan) and the entire game revolves around the same Gods and factions as HV, you cannot and must not expect super-mega-uber changes from the previous game. After all, we are in the same setting, just 500 years earlier. What could be done to improve the game was done. Maybe not in the best of ways, but I can firmly state that we are waiting for a largely popular installment of the M&M universe, and as you being only one of the few people who dislike the game and refuse to see the good parts and the improvements, it is best for you to not even play the game. I do not mean any insults, but reading the discussion thread annoys me to death and back just because some people are just too "narrow". If you dislike, you say what you dislike in a neutral, not an offending manner, after all, we are civilised people.

And one more thing: EVERY race must revolve around a theme colour. Otherwise, the creatures would not be related in anything else but the simple fact that you recruit them from the same town. The theme colour gives the aura of the faction: Inferno is bloody (because everything is in tone of red), Necropolis is...well...dead (green, colour of evil and of death), Stronghold is brown-ish (with the coloured accents, feathers and such, related to the Aztec and Mayan civiliations), Haven is yellow-ish (worshipping the Dragon-God of light requests this colour) and Sanctuary is blue because of the same reason, only applied to water.

Once again, Nighty, maybe you do not give "a flying snow" on lore, but there are things that must be respected. Think only of how many fans would burst with anger if we would have what you want (myself counted in their numbers). Ubisoft and Black Hole made it so that MOST of the fans are happy, while some of those who are not just go with it, the rest is left with the complaints.

N.B. If you answer this post with "I do not care about what other people want" that gives us (meaning no disrespect by writing further, read at your own risk) a living proof that the human race simply cannot be reasoned with and human psychology has no sense at all with lost cases and that selfishness will always rule our planet.

Have a good day

*Si tu ne comprends pas ces arguments en Anglais, je peux les ecriver pour toi en Francais, mais ca seulement a ton adresse e-mail particuliere.
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Dungeonian
Dungeonian


Adventuring Hero
Supreme matriarch
posted July 04, 2011 10:58 AM

Am I the only one , who loves Dark Elven Dungeon more than previous ones ? Raelag and Ilya are , perhaps , the coolest characters in H5 and I hope in H6 we would see young Eruina rising her mothers legacy with Malassas little help
 The only DE whom I hate is that renegade named Drizzt do'Urden

For the matter of DE number in Dungeon line-up , I think 2 core and 1 elite would be perfect . So furies are now with orcs , it could be assasins and lizard riders as core ( minotaur should be elite ) and witches as elite . The last core might be some bat-form flyer like eyes-of-the Faceless .
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MrDragon
MrDragon


Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
posted July 04, 2011 11:01 AM
Edited by MrDragon at 11:09, 04 Jul 2011.

Nightterror's opinion forms part of the fan opinions.
Look at it like great big puzzle, her opinion is perhaps only a single piece, but it is part of the great mass of opinions that belongs to the fanbase.

So she is against Dark Elves and you're in favour, if we're lucky they'll find a good compromise, that's how your scenario of "pleasing most of the fans" works.

Also, for reference, there are plenty of people who think HoMMV's Dungeon was an abomination like her... and myself.

^-Edit: But as indicated above, there are those who like HoMMV dungeon, so as I said, I'd say a Compromise is in order.

V-Edit 2: Well thanks for that, for an elf lover you seem quite reasonable yourself.

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unicornblood
unicornblood


Hired Hero
Learning Human Soul
posted July 04, 2011 11:03 AM
Edited by unicornblood at 11:06, 04 Jul 2011.

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Nightterror's opinion forms part of the fan opinions.
Look at it like great big puzzle, her opinion is perhaps only a single piece, but it is part of the great mass of opinions that belongs to the fanbase.

So she is against Dark Elves and you're in favour, if we're lucky they'll find a good compromise, that's how your scenario of "pleasing most of the fans" works.

Also, for reference, there are plenty of people who think HoMMV's Dungeon was an abomination like her... and myself.


You are reasonable in your comments and posts on the thread, she is not.

EDIT: I was fond of a completely different faction, as I was called a "unicorn speciesist".
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Avirosb
Avirosb


Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
posted July 04, 2011 11:10 AM
Edited by Avirosb at 11:12, 04 Jul 2011.

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And one more thing: EVERY race must revolve around a theme colour.
Why? Is that some new thing, because factions in earlier installments didn't need color coding in order to stand apart.

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Doomforge
Doomforge


Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
posted July 04, 2011 11:12 AM

And didn't need any theme at all. H3 dungeon was a mess of different creatures put together without any logic. Sure, dark elves were rather boring because there were too many (1 dark elf unit would suffice), but having "7 fantasy monsters put together without any theme" H3 style sucks even harder if you ask me.


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