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Avirosb
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Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted September 28, 2011 11:37 AM |
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Is it just me or is the third entry in the Special Week of Q&A identical to the first?
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted September 28, 2011 12:10 PM |
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Quote: As for Kha - Beleth. He might be also a Sar-Elam, who was in fact imprisoned in Sheogh as side effect of his spell and after a while woke up with twisted mind.
http://www.celestialheavens.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=100926#100926
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted September 28, 2011 12:30 PM |
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Quote: Stories which have multiple endings that can not be reconciled should not be continued, otherwise there is no canon as such.
As for Archibald - he's just too cool to deny him a moment of glory.
Should I recal the infamose MaM VII FBaH and H3 AB? Forg contra Conflux. one ending contra the second one?
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Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted September 28, 2011 12:46 PM |
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The canonical plot of Armageddon's Blade was changed due to the outrage of delusional fans , don't forget it. It's not really something voluntary and planned from the very beginning.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted September 28, 2011 12:53 PM |
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Quote: As an online discussion relevant to Heroes of Might and Magic grows longer,
the probability of a comparison involving the Forge faction approaches 1 (100%).
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
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posted September 28, 2011 12:57 PM |
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Sar Elam cannot be Kha-beleth.
Sar Elam sacrificed himself to end the Wars and repel the 1st demon incursion. (40 YSD)
Kha-beleth took over the demon leadership only at time of heroes vi (564 YSD)
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Gweret
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 28, 2011 01:17 PM |
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Quote: Sar Elam cannot be Kha-beleth.
He was:
- sleeping
- unconscious
- preparing
- learning from Urgash
I was starting to think about it, when I read Jeddite Story:
What would be so shocking?
Seeing Master Mage, Sar-Elam who imprisoned the Demons, now standing as a new leader of Demons.
What is funny about it, we don't know Sar-Elam face. BUT, in Seven Cities, there must be a statue or picture in a book representing him.
Jeddite as a mage, probably knows how does Sar-Elam look like.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 28, 2011 01:23 PM |
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It's more of an easter egg description, did any of you care whether the old Jeddite had seen the face of Zenofex?
And seriously.. preparing? He had reached a (demi?) God status, even stating that the seal spell drained all his power would be cheesy. Then Xana said that Kha Beleth's enemy was the seventh dragon.. Unless he has multiple personalities?
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Brukernavn
Hero of Order
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posted September 28, 2011 01:43 PM |
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Quote: Is it just me or is the third entry in the Special Week of Q&A identical to the first?
I'm not able to access the official site. It just shows an empty screen.
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
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posted September 28, 2011 01:51 PM |
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Quote:
Quote: Is it just me or is the third entry in the Special Week of Q&A identical to the first?
I'm not able to access the official site. It just shows an empty screen.
I also had the same problem, but can access it now, it seems to be on and off....something must be wrong with the site...
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Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted September 28, 2011 02:16 PM |
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The main problem with Sar-Elam being an eventual Kha-Beleth is that if that was true, then the whole "prison" thing is compromised due to the presence of the very person who designed it inside its "walls" but this time with the agenda to release all the prisoners. It just doesn't hold water, except if they add something shallow like "he forgot how to cast the spell" or "there was no way to reverse the spell", etc.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted September 28, 2011 02:21 PM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 14:21, 28 Sep 2011.
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Quote:
Quote: Is it just me or is the third entry in the Special Week of Q&A identical to the first?
I'm not able to access the official site. It just shows an empty screen.
It's back now, with some additional text:
"With the new skill system, you have the freedom to build the Hero you want.
There are lots of them, and we know it can be overwhelming, but we wanted Heroes VI to offer a wide panel of choices and strategies to keep you entertained for months and years.
Some abilities may seem less useful at first glance, but that’s because they are meant to support creative strategies – their true potential has yet to be discovered.
They can also seem trivial when playing in easy and normal difficulty level, but they become clearly more useful in higher difficulty levels.
We can’t wait to see the strategy and ability combos the player will develop in the upcoming months. You would be surprised by what some “useless” abilities can do if used correctly by a skilled player!"
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted September 28, 2011 02:31 PM |
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Edited by Cepheus at 14:40, 28 Sep 2011.
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Well if only everyone hadn't already thought of it, I would've loved to have discovered Sar-Elam and Kha-Beleth are one and the same. Contrary to Zenofex, I think it would've added very serious depth to both the Demons and Ashan itself for his agenda to have changed so dramatically, such that he now completely sympathises with the Demons for some reason and is trying to undo the prison he created. It would certainly have elevated Kha-Beleth beyond his present status of "Sauron-esque rapist villain".
I feel Ashan is sort of lacking in major twists about the world itself that change the player's perception of the setting in a serious way - maybe H6 will change that up a bit.
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"Those who forget their history are inevitably doomed to repeat it." —Proverb, Might and Magic VIII
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Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted September 28, 2011 02:48 PM |
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It COULD be interesting if handled well but I think they are past the point of changing certain characters drastically without creating major plot holes. One does not simply cast a godlike spell just to change his mind some time later and switch sides. "You know guys, I was wrong - you are not that bad. In fact, let me become your emperor and we'll find a way out of this hole... Reverse the spell? Erm... sorry, can't do it. Don't ask why." It doesn't work for me.
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VokialBG
Honorable
Legendary Hero
First in line
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posted September 28, 2011 04:08 PM |
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Edited by VokialBG at 16:09, 28 Sep 2011.
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Quote: It's more of an easter egg description, did any of you care whether the old Jeddite had seen the face of Zenofex?
And seriously.. preparing? He had reached a (demi?) God status, even stating that the seal spell drained all his power would be cheesy. Then Xana said that Kha Beleth's enemy was the seventh dragon.. Unless he has multiple personalities?
I remember that. They can not be same persone.
Also to bad do not explain who is the Heroes 5 Sandro in H6...
One more think I don't like this "all are brothers and sisters" thing in the race leaders.
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kodial79
Promising
Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
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posted September 28, 2011 04:24 PM |
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Why would Kha-Beleth be an existing person in the current storyline? I don't like this "all in the family" thing.
Anyway, he can neither be Kiril nor Sar-Elam. As stated before, Xana says that Sar-Elam is Kha-Beleth's worst enemy. It can't be Kiril either, because Jeddite saw Kha-Beleth's face and was shocked but Kiril was still Kiril at the time.
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Nelgirith
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted September 28, 2011 04:32 PM |
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Quote: Why would Kha-Beleth be an existing person in the current storyline? I don't like this "all in the family" thing.
Anyway, he can neither be Kiril nor Sar-Elam. As stated before, Xana says that Sar-Elam is Kha-Beleth's worst enemy. It can't be Kiril either, because Jeddite saw Kha-Beleth's face and was shocked but Kiril was still Kiril at the time.
Why ? Kha-Beleth and Sar-Elam never existed at the same time. If Kha-Beleth is indeed what remains of Sar-Elam after his sacrifice, it would be logical to say that Sar-Elam is Kha-Beleth's worst enemy, as Sar-Elam represents everything Kha-Beleth is fighting against.
Also, the fact that Kha-Beleth seems to be much clever than the average Demon Overlord and that Kha-Beleth is striving to free the demons and "give them a right place to live on Ashan" could prove that Kha-Beleth has himself been "corrupted" by the good spirit of Sar-Elam.
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted September 28, 2011 04:44 PM |
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Edited by Cepheus at 16:45, 28 Sep 2011.
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Quote: Why would Kha-Beleth be an existing person in the current storyline? I don't like this "all in the family" thing.
Because there simply has to be some meaningful revelation behind his character beyond that of a generic, wisecracking demon striving to break out. Otherwise, who cares at all. Anybody could take his place.
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"Those who forget their history are inevitably doomed to repeat it." —Proverb, Might and Magic VIII
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kodial79
Promising
Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
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posted September 28, 2011 04:58 PM |
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If they're able to write a good story behind his character, it won't matter if there's a plot twist or not. Quality story-writing don't need them, only blockbuster hollywood movies. But, well, I'd be a fool to expect something like that from a video game, I guess...
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Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted September 28, 2011 05:12 PM |
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Quote: Also, the fact that Kha-Beleth seems to be much clever than the average Demon Overlord and that Kha-Beleth is striving to free the demons and "give them a right place to live on Ashan"
This slogan sounds like Darth Sidious' "once I have the full power, I shall bring peace in the galaxy". There's a catch though.
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