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Flamingo
Flamingo


Adventuring Hero
Old one
posted February 02, 2002 12:41 AM

to Andi....cool, i didnt think that u r so clever...most people cant do such things )
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vesuvius
vesuvius

Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
posted February 02, 2002 12:57 AM

what I have said in past

If there were no ToH, yes there would be another league in its place.  But i can guarantee you it would not have more than 100 active members ever in its lifetime.  It would also have disappeared, and replaced with a new one, consistently through the 3 years.

People tend to take ToH for granted, not realizing that I have to be there, for it, every day, 2 hours a day, for the past, what now, about 1000+ days I would guess?

While I was at the dental office today, I realized the duality of my life, working as a dentist, and 'working' for ToH.  In both, however, there is a similarity, I stay committed to, and honorable.
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Sir_Stiven
Sir_Stiven


Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
posted February 02, 2002 01:07 AM

Quote:
if there were no toh, there will be other league
toh was juts first league, all others that appeared after toh, hadnt so many players, bc players had already some rank in toh and it was easier to find toh player for a game


Maybe so, but why do u think TOH has survived to stay as the #1 league? I dont think it matters which tourney that was the first one in the long run, what matters is how it has been running. If TOH had been a badly run tournament with lack of commitment from the ppl behind it people would have left it. Face it, most players doesnt care who runs which tourney they just want the best tourney for them since they want to have as fun as possible while playing this game.

I think its proof that since TOH has been the most popular tournament for so long it has to be the best too. And i dont believe that TOH is the best tournament just because it got started first.

/Stefan

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Defreni
Defreni


Promising
Famous Hero
posted February 02, 2002 01:46 AM

Hmmm. If TOH hadnt been here......

I would have a life

Ves u darn bip bip bip.....U stole my life

Narh just kidding, I think the fact that alot of ppl that have been booted before comes back, shows just how great TOH really is.
And I dont mind giving credit where credits due. Ves u deserve loads and loads of credit aswell as gratitude.
If thats ass kissing, I dont mind being brown around my mouth

Defreni
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Mocara
Mocara


Famous Hero
what?
posted February 02, 2002 02:25 AM

ToH is great.

If no ToH then of course other leagues.

Maybe a great one like Oracle that lasted 2.5 years and was ran with perfect class by Myk Cameron.

Maybe we would all have to play in the bastards league with 2 minute turns and 10,000 rules.

Noone can know but I like ToH so I'm glad it's here.

It has a good maps council. A good Honor Council (finally) and a forum where even people who don't like it can sound off.

Not bad at all.

-Mocara
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pandora
pandora


Honorable
Legendary Hero
The Chosen One
posted February 02, 2002 02:53 AM

If ToH didn't exist it would be a sad thing because i, like many others wouldn't have had the opportunity to make so many great friends online.  Vesuvius has done a great job in keeping a game that has been out a very long time fresh and exciting to new and old players alike. He, and many others have put a lot into keeping the game fresh and fun, and rather than have the numbers drop off as they would in many other games, ToH continues to grow.
And now we are filled with anticipation as to what Heroes4 and the future of ToH will bring.

To Mocara..in ragards to "Maybe we would all have to play in the *******s league with 2 minute turns and 10,000 rules"

have you looked at our tourney's rules page? there is a rule not to hit and run, its true. and it also says to play 2min turns - however it also says that you may play however you enjoy as long as both parties agree. basically i counted a lil short of 10000 when i double checked it in any case. Plus the fact that if you look at our members, you'll see that most if not all(?) are in ToH - and several have been or are volunteers there as well, its just a seperate place that people can play as well with others that enjoy the same style of play.   The majority of our players play 4min or more, lol  but who cares? we're here for fun, not to compete with ToH, or to annoy you or anyone with our existance. We just all love the game.. that should be enough common ground to get along, no?
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andiangelsla...
andiangelslayer


Disgraceful
Famous Hero
posted February 02, 2002 03:00 AM

yeah im sick of arguing, i wont start any discussions anymore about this.
mocara, you enjoy being a ass it seems, sorry but i gotta say this, you flamed me for being on hc, you flame blastards, im just outta this its too childish.
there are people who enjoy different things about heroes, will this ever get into your heroes2 head?
i liked arguing with most guys, but you started to become a real pain into the ass, well whatever im outta this kinda discussions and stick to the blastards community where i dont need to read this.

Andi, who likes peeps who say what they think, but this went too far and too dumb
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Prometheus
Prometheus


Adventuring Hero
Knight of the Oracle
posted February 02, 2002 03:41 AM

Multiplayer

LOL. What a great thread.  If we all didnt like a little conflict we probably wouldnt play Heroes.

Cut it out Flamingo or you'll make me like you .  Of course there would be another league but that doesnt matter.  Someone else could have cured polio, invented whiskey and the theory of relativity too but they didn't.  Yes, it is half the credit of the players and half the credit of Vesuvius and the volunteers. Of course you would not have one without the other. Why is it important?  ToH encouraged other leagues and provided links to them from the MAIN page. Not some link page off to the side.  I think some other company might have invented a game like Heroes also.  But it doesnt matter because they didn't.  Oops, Strategy First did with their Disciples line.  Or did they just rip off NWC?

Goddess person (or whomever), its true that the majority of people who buy the game never play online.  The people who play single have no voice though.  Lots of people buy baseballs too. They play catch in the backyard.  But Major League Baseball sells the baseballs.  Online competition is a huge maketing tool and game companies are a little slow to take that in.  Id software was not slow (hm....Quake anyone?).  NWC has always mainly focused on the campaigns.  I believe this is because it is a predictable formula for sales, and safe is good.  The multiplayer game is far too complex for PC game critics to grasp in the short time they have to review it and turn in their stories.  But when the campaigns are played, the single players shelf the cd and go on to the next game.  Which is  fine; that is usually just in time for the latest M&M release.

@----@

(Prometheus is a league commentator and Heroes veteran who is best known as the only player who has actually been dismissed by his own HEROES)

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Sisyphus
Sisyphus

Tavern Dweller
posted February 02, 2002 04:25 AM

Conspiracy!

The only reason ToH exists is because Ves has subliminal Flash animations on every Web page of beautiful naked women eating chocolates.  This of course encourages me to gorge on candy which in turn leads to cavities.  For every cavity a ToH league player gets attended by a member of the Dental College, Ves gets a cut.

Don't think for a minute Ves isn't getting $RICH$ off of this.

It's all a huge conspiracy!!!! Fly you fools, fly!!!!

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Flamingo
Flamingo


Adventuring Hero
Old one
posted February 02, 2002 09:46 AM

why do you guys think that there will be much less people, if there wouldnt be toh. we have same league ,but with different volunteers and different "Vesuvius" ) if league has other name, why do u think that people played less? )

anyway, ToH is great, Ves made big job, thanks for it...

with best regards, Flamingo

p.s. what did i said about ass-kissing? i only sai fact ...

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hamsi128
hamsi128


Promising
Supreme Hero
tosser tavern owner
posted February 02, 2002 11:49 AM

to flamingo

i dont understand your reply . Can you pls be more clear... you are in first place in rankings but you dont possess the tournament which give you the honour of emperor.....  
                       Best Regards ,
(lonely squire hamsi128 expecting to be baron one day)



















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goddess
goddess

Tavern Dweller
posted February 02, 2002 02:07 PM

vesuvius wants to be respected as a king

he want to rule all toh players

if someone advise him not to abuse his right

he just says"leave toh"

what a tournament

who is vesuvius?? he is just mr.abuser

he should recognize

that flamingo ,antal and others have been  developing toh

they are showing unique stragedy but ves just killed them in rank

vesuvius? mr.abuser

he has no logic ..he just feel jealousy(it's hard to say

but i think it's true) so he delets them though he has no

proof on them

and after that he claims that he is doing his best for the

develop of multi player and claims his position in this

game

i still remember what vesuvius talked about 3do

he asked 3do about multiplayer as if he was a martyr

who is vesuvius..flamingo ,antal or other players played hundreds of hours in this game

but their effort in this league was nothing

who did develop this league??

just vesuvius?? if there were not players in toh

could vesuvius do what he had done till now??

because there are many toh players so vesuvius is here

but he acts like a god and abuses his right

so why am i here? because i should remain as a martyr cause

all players in toh is becomming a kid of vesuvius lol

toh is dying
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melissa_x
melissa_x


Adventuring Hero
Tiffany Taylor
posted February 02, 2002 07:06 PM

ur insecure with no self worth goddess or air1.
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melissa_x
melissa_x


Adventuring Hero
Tiffany Taylor
posted February 02, 2002 07:11 PM

btw

btw, there were crazy people like urself who would say the exact same things, like ves acts like a god, or toh is dying since season one.  Also ppl forget there was isle league before toh, and there were several smaller tournaments like monty's tournament that started the same time as toh.

its robs creativity, dedication, and presistence that kept the site rolling.  i remember the very first season when everything was manual he would spend as much as 6 hours in one day doing rankings that is either crazy or dedicated but in the end it resulted in this wonderful community.

some of those crazy people think rob sits on the computer glorifying his kingdom of toh (with a cuban cigar chanting patriotic slogans of fidel castro).  Its just a computer folks, and practically noone in the real world of his life knows he runs such a thing.
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Salamandre
Salamandre


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
posted February 02, 2002 08:37 PM

Godess or Air or whatever....

If one thing is valuable in ToH, that is Vesuvius. He is the only one who is not losing his time, but creating something.

What you say about Antal and Flamingo? They created toh? Those are two guys who spent their life to become N. 1 in a video game. They are the best, ok(various issues, but better to not talk here). And that means what? If toh didn't exist, in which thing could Antal or Flamingo prove they exist?

Video game is their life and that's not really a thing to be proud. At least vesuvius created an environement for those people who waste their life to click mouse in front of a computer.
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mklthrkngl
mklthrkngl


Known Hero
posted February 02, 2002 09:33 PM

a few hundred zone players?

at last count there were over 4500 registered toh members. 10500 games played just this season alone.

toh is not just VES. it's every volunteer who has given time to this tourney. It's not just a fan site.It's an online community and almost a phenomenon. Name me a single other unsponsored game based site that is even close to the size or age of TOH.

without toh homm 3 would have died years ago period. No other ladder tourny for homm 3 has lasted very long because no other group has put in the effort and time that ves and the other members of toh have over the years. By the way that's years!!! Since homm2 !!

if toh wasn't here id' be playin civ 3 !!

p.s. and it's not kissin assss flammy, it's just stickin up for me and all others including you have have given time and effort to TOH.

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Mocara
Mocara


Famous Hero
what?
posted February 02, 2002 10:08 PM

Hi Melissa,

Please don't misunderstand the work we did in The Isle.

An Isle, in this case is a small passage connecting 2 larger land masses.

When Oracle and Vesuvius Heroes Challange shut down we opened the Isle so the no rules players would have a place to play.

The other 2 options were Monty's Art of War league and the Astral Wizard league.

Both of which offered a type of play that the Oracle/VHC players were unhappy with.

The Isle was opened as a refuge.

Vesuvius and I were in constant contact via email and all along I had planned to close The Isle so I could be a full supported of ToH.

I had only one question for him;

Will you keep it open permenently? When he said he would I submitted my registration and put a page up as our main saying "The Isle is closed...everyone join ToH.".

Our league had automation at the end, over a million hits (not bad for a dead game) and an erratic and cool webmaster, John Snow aka The_Wiz.

We were merely an Isle between the 2 great landmasses of Oracle and ToH.

I am probably the most grateful person there is about ToH because if Rob didn't so all this work I'd still have to keep The Isle open and to be honest busting my ass for a bunch of ungrateful whiners is something Rob is extremely good at but there is no way I would want to do that again. =)

-Mocara
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melissa_x
melissa_x


Adventuring Hero
Tiffany Taylor
posted February 03, 2002 01:37 AM

no no i didnt misunderstand just saying that there were other tournaments before toh and thru toh
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Mad_Unicorn
Mad_Unicorn


Famous Hero
I am a mean person shame on me
posted February 03, 2002 01:56 AM
Edited By: Mad_Unicorn on 2 Feb 2002

Blarg

If Toh didn't exist there would be fewer arguements
If Toh didn't exist ves would have more spare time
If Toh didn't exist would flaming and anal disappear?
If Toh didn't exist no young minds wouldn't be warped by mels homepage 8)
If Toh didn't exist would mocara start oracle or isle again?
If Toh didn't exist what would deth do with no arguements?

blarg

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melisza
melisza

Disgraceful

posted February 03, 2002 02:06 AM

goddess was banned

so i am here

the problem is that

THE LIES of vesuvis and his volunteers are becoming truth

VESUVIUS claims that I am A_I_R

where is the logic

just the feeling

the feeling of vesuvius and his volunteers made many cheaters till now

so many victims till now

the problem??

THE LIES of VESUVIUS,MELISSA,and THEIR VOLUNTEERS are

becoming TRUTH

when they feel upset they just kill them in forum or rank

or whatever

what a tournament
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