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antipaladin
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posted September 28, 2010 09:23 AM

list your top 10 diablo clones

here are mine:
1- TQ immortal thorne
2-Loki
3-Scared 1 +2
4-Torchlight
5-Hellgate
6-Nox
7-Hazen
8-legend of hand of god
9-dungeon siege 1 +2
10- well i cant think of another
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posted September 29, 2010 04:00 AM

Only other one i can think of on top of my head would be

Darkstone.

(Made between D1 and D2 if memory serves, heavily influenced by diablo 1)
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posted September 29, 2010 09:52 AM

Titan quest is definetely the best Diablo clone IMO.
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posted September 29, 2010 12:38 PM

1. HellGate:London, just for the change of scenery.
2. Sacred, An angel sent to kill Goblins? What oculd be more fun?
3. Titan Quest, good but lacks replay value completely thanks to knowing every corner of the world after first time.
4. Dungeon siege, was fun back then.
5. Nox, was quite entertaining at the time.
6. One old game which name I can't remember. Only a year after Diablo's release but was practically a carbon copy of the elements although all action was outdoors.
7. Loki, wasn't half bad.
8. Torchlight, haven't played
9. Hazen, haven't played
10. Legend: Hand of God, BAD, Stay AWAY

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posted September 30, 2010 05:20 PM

Legend of god sucks so much the people responbcible should sucide... i do think tha TQ could use work.. as well as loki.. dungeon siege 1 was a little boring,i didnt get to play the second yet.. too much neverwinter... no?
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posted October 01, 2010 10:26 PM

I don't know about the others, but I've played Titan Quest and have no idea why people like it so much. Starting off I went with the wolf summoning thing, then later adding the dryad thing. The game almost plays itself. Hell, I even killed bosses by simply running in circles to avoid damage while the summons do the work.

Maybe it's simply not the right genre for me? *shrug*
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posted October 01, 2010 10:32 PM

Of all the game mentionned in this thread, I only played Dungeon Siege, and I loved it ^_^

But overall, Hack & Slash just doesn't *stir* things with me, ykwis? I never really got invested in Titan Quest either.
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posted October 25, 2010 07:19 AM

Silverfall Earth awakening is one the best i have played
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posted October 25, 2010 12:16 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 12:17, 25 Oct 2010.

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I don't know about the others, but I've played Titan Quest and have no idea why people like it so much. Starting off I went with the wolf summoning thing, then later adding the dryad thing. The game almost plays itself. Hell, I even killed bosses by simply running in circles to avoid damage while the summons do the work.

Maybe it's simply not the right genre for me? *shrug*


Summons badly suck in higher difficulties in TQ. It's not diablo where summonmancer is one of the best classes, actually faster and safer than the overhyped hammerdin.

Also, TQ has some great mods, notably Lilith (awesome map that makes TQ a much better game) and Underlord (which offers really nice skill balance system).

TQ is fun, but too annoying at act IV, where certain monsters can score 1k damage every hit - a mage has 2k hp, a warrior about 5k - and the enemies are numerous. When you enter a room full of archers and don't run away ASAP, you will take a few arrows and will already be forced to quaff a potion or die. No armor or resistances can protect from this. The annoyance factor killed the game in my eyes.



Torchlight is fun, but too simple and repetitive. Too little skills and variety, but I still enjoy a session here and there. Modded, of course... I don't like mods that change gameplay but here it was necessary to mod my destroyer so he doesn't have to recast 5 skills every 10 seconds. Seriously, it was the most retarded thing ever. It only forces me to re-press that stupid hotkey button every while and nothing more. Timed abilities suck butt and when the duration is 10 seconds... well... what can I say @_@

I can understand it when the cooldown is 60 seconds or something, pretty much making it a situational buff... but if duration = 10 seconds and cooldown = 10 seconds... mad.



Dragon Age is also a form of hack'n'slash, actually... especially at later levels where spells are more and more redundant and your critical hits more devastating/constant. At awakening a mage is just a walking haste platform that can also one-shot mages with mana clash. he's useless for anything else.
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posted October 25, 2010 12:18 PM

I gave Titan Quest another shot, and the game's very good though. I did HATE the lack of a rebirth fountain on Olympus's summit, I swear I had to run up that fricking mound like 1657 times before slaying Typhon . In the words of Survivor's Parvati Shallow:

"That's not fun :-X"

But overall, solid game.  

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posted October 25, 2010 01:04 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 13:05, 25 Oct 2010.

4th Act (Immortal throne expansion) went way too far with difficulty. But it's not genuine difficulty that forces you to think strategically: it's just archers doing way too much damage. I don't like when games become "challenging" like this. You can also give fallen ones in diablo 300 damage instead of 2 damage and be happy "the game is difficult" but in reality it's just more of a nuisance: more of positioning and attacking with shift, more dancing and bothersome arrow avoiding, more chokepoint abuse.

it's hard to make a balanced hack'n'slash. In fact they almost always become too easy because of them being made for the "casual" boring gamer. Minmaxers like me always breeze through them and are annoyed by the lack of proper challenge.

Let's see all the rpg/hacknslash games I recall...

Betrayal at krondor - freeze spells overpowered, dragon skin broken
Diablo 1 - fireball and chain lightning kill everything
Diablo: The dark: Fairly balanced game, actually: AI proves surprisngly challenging at times.
Diablo 2: "balanced" by tweaking monsters damage to annoying levels. Too easy once you reach godly gear - which makes you completely immortal with no challenge at all.
Baldur's Gate - way too easy
Baldur's Gate 2 - Easy to the point of being trivial
Titan Quest - Actually hard, but in annoying way.
Dungeon Siege 1 - easy and boring
Dungeon Siege 2 - Fun but powers too strong, instantly killing everthing on the screen and their recharge time doesn't scale too well with increasing damage, making them recharge almost instantly after being used in late game
Arcanum - Combine haste with fire axe and rape everything
Dragon Age - extremely easy game, nightmare should be called "super easy" - enemies have too little health and are too easy to stop
Final Fantasy 7 - too much overpowered materia available
Final Fantasy 8 - easiest game ever made
Final Fantasy 10 - if you level-up a bit in random encounters you're really ahead of what's planned for you
Torchlight - Destroyer is overpowered
Fallout 1&2 : trivially easy games with far too much overpowered weaponry and armor ready to be taken at level 1
NVN2: Weapon master kills everything in one hit

Titan Quest does stand out but in the way I'd like it to be.


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posted October 25, 2010 02:18 PM

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Baldur's Gate - way too easy
Baldur's Gate 2 - Easy to the point of being trivial





Don't write of BG because it's easy! it's a BRILLIANT game because of the ~*whole package*~. Easily the best game ever created, who cares if it's easy or not? It's entertaining, and you WANT to keep playing it and that's what matters ^_^

Titan Quest indeed is annoyingly at times, but I guess most battles can be won easily. Just keep summoning Allies who keep the melee opponents busy, defeat the archers and then join the melee fight, add some War Winds and keep quaffing potions and it's won, basically.

(Yeah, I did play as a Battlemage, if you could tell).
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posted October 25, 2010 07:06 PM

The Demon Hunter (cheers for Blizzard reusing hero class names from Warcraft 3 for their other games lol) that was revealed as the final class for Diablo III on BlizzCon looks really cool though dual-wield crossbows? Is that physically possible - at all!? xD But then, it is Diablo.

I have actually not played any other Diablo game and I look forward to try out D3 and see if I can become a fan.

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posted October 26, 2010 02:50 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 14:53, 26 Oct 2010.

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Don't write of BG because it's easy! it's a BRILLIANT game because of the ~*whole package*~. Easily the best game ever created, who cares if it's easy or not? It's entertaining, and you WANT to keep playing it and that's what matters ^_^


I like BG, but it's definitely not my favorite game. BG1 is very boring in fact; I liked to play it to pump up my char with tomes and for a sense of completion (playing from level 1, not from level 8). Besides, that's what BGT is for anyway.

BG2 is better, much better, but wayy to easy. I'm sorry Lexx - it is even "challenges" like Kangaxx can be made at level 8 by buing the +4 staff and single magic immunity scroll (those shouldn't be in the game - they make it too easy ). Barely challenging when you're 100% magic immune, including imprisonment, on an enemy that is a pure caster, isn't it... Such games I pass once or twice, but never return to them, because they prove no challenge.

(I did replay SoA though for the Imoen Romance Mod - and probably will beat ToB again once ToB part of the mod gets finally made. Which will take a couple more years, I guess.)



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Titan Quest indeed is annoyingly at times, but I guess most battles can be won easily. Just keep summoning Allies who keep the melee opponents busy, defeat the archers and then join the melee fight, add some War Winds and keep quaffing potions and it's won, basically.

(Yeah, I did play as a Battlemage, if you could tell).


I find the game brainless if it doesn't punish you for drinking potions 24/7 while also providing an endless amount of them. It's basically infinite life, only that you have to press a button and waste some ingame cash from time to time.

Also, Legendary difficulty act 4 is pretty... annoying. Have you made it there? Battlemage isn't the best class, actually I'd put it somewhere at the bottom of the food chain
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posted October 26, 2010 03:27 PM
Edited by Lexxan at 15:28, 26 Oct 2010.

Oh no, I've just completed it in Normal mode and am now giving Epic a shot.

Edit: Kangaxx at level EIGHT??? You are insane!

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posted October 26, 2010 05:50 PM

Correction: I'm not sure you can afford the staff of rynn (was it rynn?) +4 at level eight But if you can = yes, it's possible.

Of course you'd have to get those body parts without level uping, which is hard.

So let's say it can be done at level 10 or so, cause obviously you will level up a bit.

This is because:

- Except that lame Djinn/Efreet summon, Kangaxx will pretty much do nothing but spam spells.
- Scroll of magic protection makes you immune to ALL spells for iirc 10 turns. Which is 10 minutes of being totally immune to everything kangaxx throws at you, including his imprisonment attack.
- You need a weapon with a +4 enchantment to hit him and Staff of Rynn (spelling?) is the only +4 weapon you can outright buy after leavin irenicus' dungeon.

This means you will simply bash him till he does down while he can't do a damn thing to you. And that can be done at any level.
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posted October 26, 2010 07:38 PM

You guys really missed the point of the whole thread when youstarted talking about BG as diablo clones.

Or FF for that matter.
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posted October 26, 2010 08:31 PM

BG > anything else, so if anything, we are improving this thread.

@ Doom:  You are still crazy... but yeah, once you figure out how to beat Kangaxx it becomes easy (well, relatively speaking).  My main source of difficulty is avoiding Imprisonment, but yeah it can be countered quite easily by the Scroll of Magic Resistance. I would wait untill I get my hands on the Mage Staff +5 or Carsomyr or the Crom Faeyr (if my Hero can wield the latter) before I get to Kangaxx. I so far only beat him in my last game (him and that other DemiLich in ToB) with surprising speed with my Dualled Kensai/Mage (Level 15-17 I believe).

In all fairness I didn't really enjoy battling the Demiliches much. I prefer fight Dragons, it's really fun to tackle the Shadow Dragon level 9-10 in the Temple Ruins (EDWINOWNAGE!). Does require a HOST of protections to tackle one quickly tho, but I find it more statisfying than fighting any form of lich (at least Dragons don't petrify, desintegrate or imprison you or your party on sight).
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posted October 27, 2010 03:20 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 15:20, 27 Oct 2010.

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Does require a HOST of protections to tackle one quickly tho, but I find it more statisfying than fighting any form of lich (at least Dragons don't petrify, desintegrate or imprison you or your party on sight).


Well the demi-lich is supposed to be stronger than a dragon.

And the dragon doesn't need any protections if you have ToB. Set three spike traps and watch the dragon get owned. Shadow dragon, for instance, dies instantly.

Tricks like that make games too easy
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posted October 27, 2010 03:31 PM

Meh, Set Traps is one of these skills in NEVER use. (like Pick Pockets :eyes. I mean, just recruit Haer'Dalis and that's it. Not by any means vital). I'm a Magic Abuser though, so I just spam Lower Resistance and try a couple of tricks, ranging from Ranged Hit and Run Tactics to spells like Melf's Acid Arrow and Chromatic Orb

The first time I fought Firkraag for instance was quite laughable. Triggered a couple of Lower Resistances/Breach and then he failed  to Save against Imoen's Chromatic Orb and was desintegrated on the spot. (Still got the loot, thankfully). It was such a hilarious streak of luck
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