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shyranis
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posted October 31, 2010 06:38 AM
Edited by shyranis at 06:39, 31 Oct 2010.

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Ok this is absurd. Obama is not going to kill you for disagreeing with him (or Glen Beck would be so dead now) and he is not going to kill your grandmother and he's not going to raise taxes for the middle class! (he's lowred them hence some of the deficit).


Never said he was going to kill anybody randomly. But he's given the government the authority to do so. So far he's only authorized the murder of one citizen who happens to advocate violence against the American military. It's essentially something that his predecessors in the Bush Whitehouse were pushing for and what I really worry about is how far his successors down the line may abuse it.

Also, assassinations generally don't happen against people established in the media with cameras constantly trained on them unless the point is to prompt a deep investigation and prove open hostilities to a certain person, organization or viewpoint.
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posted October 31, 2010 06:44 AM
Edited by shyranis at 06:45, 31 Oct 2010.

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While I support the original intent of the tea parties and I've considered going to them in the past, if someone like Palin showed up I think I'd puke, hopefully on her. Those people are just plain crazy and they've taken what may have been a good thing and ruined it. The impression I had was that the original movement was more like the traditional Republicans of 20+ years ago. Because of these idiots who have taken over, maybe the name should be change from Tea Party to People-Who-Belong-in-a-Straight-Jacket Party.



Couldn't have put everything you said (not just the quoted part) better myself.

The Tea Party was more to the traditional Eisenhower-esque Republicans who treasure fiscal responsibility and are wary of too much government intervention and the corruption of the military industrial complex. Something like Paul the Elder.

Too bad it's been corrupted. Seriously.

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Didn't mean to double-post. I have a baby in my arms and it's almost 2AM.
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Elodin
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posted October 31, 2010 10:37 AM

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While I support the original intent of the tea parties and I've considered going to them in the past, if someone like Palin showed up I think I'd puke, hopefully on her. Those people are just plain crazy and they've taken what may have been a good thing and ruined it. The impression I had was that the original movement was more like the traditional Republicans of 20+ years ago. Because of these idiots who have taken over, maybe the name should be change from Tea Party to People-Who-Belong-in-a-Straight-Jacket Party.



Actually Palin is the personification of what the tea party stands for. And she is a vastly superior choice to anyone the demoncrat party could put forward as a candidate.

America is tire of Marxists in the democrat party and liberals such as McCain in the Repulibican party who pretend to be conservatives buty who are not.

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posted October 31, 2010 10:38 AM

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Actually Palin is the personification of what the tea party stands for


Degeneration and/or complete lack of brain cells?
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posted October 31, 2010 10:51 AM

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Actually Palin is the personification of what the tea party stands for

Like hell she is. Sarah Palin is the personification of all the people with IQs below 50. My left toenail has more intelligence than her.

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posted October 31, 2010 11:16 AM

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Actually Palin is the personification of what the tea party stands for.
This, except it's not a good thing.
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Raelag84
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posted October 31, 2010 07:45 PM

I have not forgotten any of my basic macro. The thing is for crowding out to occur the government would have to somehow take resources that would otherwise be used for investment, but there is alot of resources that the market is simply not choosing to use right now. There's alot of workers the market is not using, there is alot of cappital the market is not using (hence the low intrest rates) and even land not being used.

Is it really going to hurt investment to use these resources for say...repairng infustructure, researching alternative energy things of that nature?

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Never said he was going to kill anybody randomly. But he's given the government the authority to do so. So far he's only authorized the murder of one citizen who happens to advocate violence against the American military. It's essentially something that his predecessors in the Bush Whitehouse were pushing for and what I really worry about is how far his successors down the line may abuse it.

Also, assassinations generally don't happen against people established in the media with cameras constantly trained on them unless the point is to prompt a deep investigation and prove open hostilities to a certain person, organization or viewpoint.


I guess what I am trying to say is I am hesitent accept he gave the order to kill even one citizen. It's just there has been so much "wolf crying" this election cycle that I just wonder that's all. By the way Ike was cool but even he presided over a deficit. Nothing agianst him, I don't think I could balence the budget ether if I was president even if I really tried.  

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posted October 31, 2010 08:22 PM

Yes, but if the government spends, it has to pay for that later, meaning higher taxes or lower spending in the future, which means that a (hopefully) healthier economy would be dampened.
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posted October 31, 2010 10:35 PM

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And she is a vastly superior choice to anyone the demoncrat party could put forward as a candidate.


Wait... Palin? I thought she's dumb. Democrats would have to be half-retarded to make her a superior choice.

Unless you imply they are.
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Elodin
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posted October 31, 2010 11:37 PM

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And she is a vastly superior choice to anyone the demoncrat party could put forward as a candidate.


Wait... Palin? I thought she's dumb. Democrats would have to be half-retarded to make her a superior choice.

Unless you imply they are.


Obviously the Marxists will never put Palin forward as candidate since she is a conservative and not a member of the democrat party. She is superior to anyone the Marxists could possibly nominate.

Nah, she is not dumb. That is the spin the lunatics on the other side would like to put on her but you have to ignore the democrat spin machine. Marxists in America must lie to get into office. They lie about what they believe and lie about the other candidates.

The American people are going to have to very vigelent because when the Marixsts lose power in November that are likely to use the "lame duck" time before they are replaced to push through more Marxist legisiation they would not dare to pass while there was still a chance for them to be reelected.

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posted November 01, 2010 12:21 AM

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The fact that a selfish person may become frustrated when a married person turns down their advaces only means there is a problem with the selfish person, not the institution of marriage. Selfish people get frustrated when they don't get what they want when they want it. So what?

yes true. but why do you say no? just because you are married and thus think you belong to your partner? then it's some kind of subordination? it's not really your decision, just something you feel forced to do because you are married.

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posted November 01, 2010 04:12 AM

Married people don't "own" each other. They're just monogamous. (Assuming they're in a monogamous marriage.)
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posted November 01, 2010 10:01 AM
Edited by Doomforge at 10:04, 01 Nov 2010.

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Nah, she is not dumb.


1. "As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?" --Sarah Palin, interview with CNBC's "Kudlow & Co", July 2008

2. "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." --Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008

3. "Well, let's see. There's -- of course -- in the great history of America rulings there have been rulings." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008

4. "All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)

5. "They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in San Francisco, Oct. 5, 2008

6. "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending soldiers out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan." –Sarah Palin, on the Iraq war, speaking to students at the Wasilla Assembly of God, June 2008

7. "I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to you." --Sarah Palin, asked by Katie Couric to cite specific examples of how John McCain has pushed for more regulation in his 26 years in the Senate, CBS interview, Sept. 24, 2008 (Watch video clip)

8. "That's exactly what we're going to do in a Palin and McCain administration." --Sarah Palin, elevating herself to the top of the ticket, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Sept. 18, 2008

9. "I told the Congress, 'Thanks, but no thanks,' on that Bridge to Nowhere." –Sarah Palin, who was for the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it

10. "I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't.'" --Sarah Palin, as quoted by former City Council Member Nick Carney, after he raised objections about the $50,000 she spent renovating the mayor's office without approval of the city council.



Yeah, not dumb at all

oh wait, forgot the crown one:

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Elodin
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posted November 01, 2010 10:47 AM
Edited by Elodin at 10:47, 01 Nov 2010.

I only have time to address you "crown" reference at the moment. It was a loony liberal lie--a hoax, so be very careful when you listen to loony liberal liars lest someone append that title to yourself.

It is a hoax that Palin did not know Africa is a continent according to even the liberal rag the NY Times.

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Trouble is, Martin Eisenstadt doesn’t exist. His blog does, but it’s a put-on. The think tank where he is a senior fellow — the Harding Institute for Freedom and Democracy — is just a Web site. The TV clips of him on YouTube are fakes.

And the claim of credit for the Africa anecdote is just the latest ruse by Eisenstadt, who turns out to be a very elaborate hoax that has been going on for months. MSNBC, which quickly corrected the mistake, has plenty of company in being taken in by an Eisenstadt hoax, including The New Republic and The Los Angeles Times.


Having disproven your "cdrowing" argument as a lie everything else you have posted is suspect to being a lie and indeed I have spostted several others.

As for a geographyl lesson,; you many wish to do some research and see that the Old Soviet Union indeed could be seen from a couple of Alaska's islands though that was a quote from the Saturday Night Live comedian, not from Palin.

Again, when listening to libs be suspect of everything that comes out of their mouth.

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posted November 01, 2010 02:30 PM

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Again, when listening to libs be suspect of everything that comes out of their mouth.


wait, let me just change a few things

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Again, when listening to libs everyone who believes that proximity to other countries equals experience in foreign policy be suspect of everything that comes out of their mouth.



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posted November 01, 2010 02:37 PM
Edited by Corribus at 14:39, 01 Nov 2010.

I don't rush to call people stupid based on portrayals in the mass media.  I don't think Bush was a dumb man, even though every time he opened his mouth he came off sounding like an ignoramus.  And while Sarah Palin certainly has said (and done) a lot of stupid things, they are no more outrageous than some of the idioticisms (is that a word?) spewed forth by members of the Democrat party which, because of media bias, are not as well circulated.  Exhibit A: Harry Reid.  (To be fair, also, your list is pretty bad, Baklava.  I mean, a conclusion that Sarah Palin is stupid based on a cherry-picked list of quotations, some of which were indirectly recalled by someone else??)

What I do know is that Sarah Palin would be a woeful choice for the Republican party presidential nomination of 2012.  Moderate Republicans and Libertarians would never vote for her.  NEVER.  Even I, who think that Obama is one of the worst, most unwise and ham-handed presidents we've had in quite some time (if not ever), would consider voting for Obama over Sarah Palin.  And no, that decision would not be based solely on logic.  Point of fact is that Sarah Palin has so much affective valence (negative and positive) attached to her that as a political candidate she's too polarizing.  People don't have moderate opinions when it comes to her and thus she would have little chance of convincing people to vote for her who have already decided that she's a crazy whacko.  One might be tempted to say that Obama was similar when he ran for president, but the difference is that when Obama ran, he started off as a relative unknown, and he was able to inspire a lot of the centrists in this country to vote for him in overwhelming numbers.  Nevermind that most of that inspiration was based on lies.  But centrists have already made up their mind about Palin, so she wouldn't stand a chance.

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posted November 01, 2010 05:16 PM

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He's also declared that an American citizen can be killed no matter where they are at any time just because the government believes he's bad. In this case, an American Muslim leader who preaches violence against American military targets.


In France, the police is now allowed to shoot demonstrators on sight without any warning. even if there is no threat. it seems people got hurt and some stuffs burnt in my city and it was because of the grenades of the police. (I was in vacation, just learnt about it)

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posted November 01, 2010 05:21 PM
Edited by bLiZzArdbOY at 17:25, 01 Nov 2010.

The real danger of Sarah Palin is that she could stand a significant chance in the primary election, but in the general election? Unless Obama declares that he's a closet Muslim and keeps a heart-shaped picture of Lenin in his wallet, she will be gutted.

McCain is in many ways a centrist and statist like Obama is, and even he lost substantially in 2008. Granted, Obama had the element of surprise for the near-sighted masses, and he won't have that in 2012, but if even a Republican centrist that's willing to completely compromise his values for the sake of winning can't win, then a dogmatic ideologue like Palin can't win even in 2012. Point being, if somebody like Palin is victorious in the primaries, it will essentially be a dud for the general election.
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posted November 02, 2010 02:45 AM

It'd be sure nice if we had a moderator to nip these kinds of derailments in the bud...

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shyranis
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posted November 02, 2010 05:45 AM
Edited by shyranis at 05:57, 02 Nov 2010.

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I only have time to address you "crown" reference at the moment. It was a loony liberal lie--a hoax, so be very careful when you listen to loony liberal liars lest someone append that title to yourself.

It is a hoax that Palin did not know Africa is a continent according to even the liberal rag the NY Times.


Except the article goes on to explain:

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The pranksters behind Eisenstadt acknowledge that he was not, through them, the anonymous source of the Palin leak. He just claimed falsely that he was the leaker--and they say they have no reason to cast doubt on the original story. For its part, Fox News Channel continues to stand behind its story.


Fox News continued to champion that story. Imagine that.

Now, I don't believe that either Bush or Palin are stupid. You don't get to be President as a dunce. Palin was a very clever opportunist to dump her Governor job and make tons of money exploiting high speaking fees. She's an entrepreneur selling Palin Inc, and it's selling quite well. Nobody should begrudge her of that business sense. There is also a fairly large difference between ignorance and stupidity. Yes, we need more coverage of the other Gaffes out there. We all know Biden is a gaffe machine but I'm sure all politicians should have the "darndest" things they say exposed. That would be best.

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I guess what I am trying to say is I am hesitent accept he gave the order to kill even one citizen. It's just there has been so much "wolf crying" this election cycle that I just wonder that's all.


Sorry, it happened. You should always look at things from as many sources as possible though, so it's good to keep a skeptical outlook on any political-related speech. Obama is Bush 2, his successor will probably be a third layer of Bush. Bush was a layer on top of Clinton, who authorized extraordinary rendition (sending political prisoners to be tortured by foreign governments and held in their jails indefinitely). He was a layer on top of Bush Sr. you see how this goes. Now, each President also did, or pretended to support some major reform that would help people's civil liberties, but I find they are either counterbalanced or moreso fairly often. (Obama hadn't fought against the repeal of Clinton's DADT for example)

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By the way Ike was cool but even he presided over a deficit. Nothing agianst him, I don't think I could balence the budget ether if I was president even if I really tried.


Well, even Ike did some bad things. Though it was under the advice of a few others in the pockets of the war lobby and the fruit lobby. He overthrew a few democratically elected governments in South America that reclaimed fertile lands originally stolen by Dole and other fruit companies (to feed their starving people) because he was convinced they were communist countries. He sent arms and soldiers to train "revolutionaries" that installed and created the first "Banana Republics". He also overthrew the Persian Democracy to reinstate the Shah. Realizing his mistakes, he issued a vague warning in his farewell address. (As shown by the BBC in this case.) Full Address

A nation controlled by said factor is more likely to resort to violence, as it ramps up spending towards defense contractors. Exactly why America needs to cut the wastes of resources in the government. (Gosh, listen to Hannity stick to the party line and try to slime Ron near the end. Country last it seems.)

Ron Paul is really more Conservative than any Neo-Con.
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