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posted November 05, 2010 01:16 PM |
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And now we have the first elected woman Deadmocrat. (I apologize for the inappropriate joke)
They'd rather elect somebody dead in that riding than her opponent. That's just crazy.
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posted November 05, 2010 08:43 PM |
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DF, I clearly explained why the military should be funded by the government, but you seem to have ignored my point.
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posted November 05, 2010 09:59 PM |
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DF, I clearly explained why the military should be funded by the government, but you seem to have ignored my point.
I acknowledged it. I don't agree anyways. A pure capitalist wouldn't want government to steal his money, "greater good" or no.
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posted November 06, 2010 12:12 AM |
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Yes, he would, if it was in his interest. I like having defence. So does my neighbour. But without taxation, neither of us would have what we want despite being willing to pay for it.
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posted November 06, 2010 12:40 AM |
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But your other neighbour doesn't feel the need to pay for the military. He is, for example, rich enough to protect himself, or for some reason doesn't want to be protected. Why should, by your logic, he be forced to do it? What about his economic liberties?
Hypothetically, we have two cases here:
a) Everyone gives a little cash for common security since there are people who don't have enough money to defend themselves,
b) Everyone gives a little cash for public healthcare since there are people who don't have enough money to pay the medical bills.
You see what I'm saying? Stick to your principles.
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posted November 06, 2010 12:41 AM |
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DF, I clearly explained why the military should be funded by the government, but you seem to have ignored my point.
I acknowledged it. I don't agree anyways. A pure capitalist wouldn't want government to steal his money, "greater good" or no.
May I ask what planet you live on? Because on planet earth a nation can't survive without a military.
The founding fathers, being wise men, enumerated the powers of the federal government in the Constitution. Not being ignorant of the need of any nation for a military, the people agreed to allow the government to tax them for military and certain other necessary purposes when they formed the government.
Also, being wise about human nature, the founding fathers specificly stated that "welfare" (charity) is not the business of the federal government. They knew that many people sould just sit on their *** and be free-loaders if there was a government dole for the lazy. Therefore the people of the United States did not grant the federal gtovernment the right to tax them for the purpose of charity.
Since the people of the United States granted the federal government the right to tax them for military purposes it is inaccurate to say that taxation to fund the miliary is theft.
Since the people of the United States did not grant the federal government the right to tax them for the purpose of wealth redistribution taxation for the purpose of wealth redistributino is illegal and is indeed theft.
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posted November 06, 2010 01:04 AM |
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On planet Earth, if my great-great-grandfather chose to give a certain sum of money to someone every month, that doesn't mean I should be forced to do the same for all eternity. On planet Earth, freedom is about being able to choose, without being chained to what some people thought and voted for 300 years ago.
For example, let's say I had a grandfather who liked trains. Everyone in his school liked trains, they were cool at the time. So they all bought lots of train magazines each year.
Now let's imagine he's been dead for some 20 years or so, and the printing company still makes me buy the magazines he subscribed to, and threatens to send me to jail if I refuse. If that's not thievery I don't know what is...
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posted November 06, 2010 01:17 AM |
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This boils down to a very basic fact of government. We are born into a system that we never chose or consented to. It's like in Braveheart, where Mel Gibson is kneeling before a judge, and the cardinal tells him that he's guilty of high treason, and Mel responds that he never in his entire life swore allegiance to the king, and the cardinal responds that it doesn't matter, because he's still your king.
That's the way life is, and there's no realistic solution to it, other than saying that once you're a competent adult, you can always move somewhere that you hate less if it truly bugs you enough.
I don't mind having my money going towards defense, but I do highly question, for example, having my money going to research 4th generation bombers. But what can you do about it? It is fundamentally impossible to cater to each individual's desires unless those desires don't conflict with each other. There will be victims. In fact, we all are, because there's probably not a single person on earth that 100% agrees with the way every last coin of their taxes is being spent.
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posted November 06, 2010 01:25 AM |
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Very true.
That's why we can't toss terms like "liberty", "rights" or "the people" around so easily.
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posted November 06, 2010 02:20 AM |
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Because on planet earth a nation can't survive without a military
can you prove it?
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posted November 06, 2010 10:56 AM |
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Because on planet earth a nation can't survive without a military.
Oh hello, japan, didn't see you there.
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posted November 06, 2010 11:18 AM |
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On planet Earth, if my great-great-grandfather chose to give a certain sum of money to someone every month, that doesn't mean I should be forced to do the same for all eternity. On planet Earth, freedom is about being able to choose, without being chained to what some people thought and voted for 300 years ago.
For example, let's say I had a grandfather who liked trains. Everyone in his school liked trains, they were cool at the time. So they all bought lots of train magazines each year.
Now let's imagine he's been dead for some 20 years or so, and the printing company still makes me buy the magazines he subscribed to, and threatens to send me to jail if I refuse. If that's not thievery I don't know what is...
I think I'm done with discussing with Elodin.
A nation can't exist without military?
Check here mr Elodin
He doesn't even know there are army-less countries in the world. oh well.
Nah, I'm seriously done. This is going nowhere.
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posted November 06, 2010 12:21 PM |
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Also it might be interesting to take a look at this chart...
No wonder they need to tax you guys... 663,255 millions each year? With China on second place with less than 100?
Jesus.
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posted November 06, 2010 12:43 PM |
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A nation can't exist without military?
Check here mr Elodin
He doesn't even know there are army-less countries in the world. oh well.
Nah, I'm seriously done. This is going nowhere.
OK, a nation can exist without a military if another nation (such as the US) defends it. But is is quite moronic to think that a nation that is not defended by itself or by another nation can exist. One only has to crack open a history book to see that.
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No wonder they need to tax you guys... 663,255 millions each year? With China on second place with less than 100?
Oh, so without military spending there would be no need for taxation? Really? Socilist European nations have a higher tax rate than the US.
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posted November 06, 2010 12:50 PM |
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I'm just saying, your precious money goes to feed a war machine that is already over 6 times more funded than the second-placed Chinese one, and that's alright, and you think everyone should do it or get imprisoned. But if someone says everyone should pay a bit to help a poor guy get a transplant (and, in return, everyone'll help you the same way when you need it), he's a communist. You, of course, being a true, devoted Christian, see nothing wrong with that.
That's all.
Also you ignored everything else I said. 
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posted November 06, 2010 12:52 PM |
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Here is my shoulder, bak.
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posted November 06, 2010 12:54 PM |
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*sob*
He doesn't want to reply to my coolest points... *wipes nose on Veco's shirt*
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posted November 06, 2010 01:25 PM |
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There, there, it's alri... ewww!
Elodin, you come here and apologize mister!
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The problem is that's it's freaking broken. It doesn't look out for the welfare of the people, it enslaves them. It doesn't help people, it hurts them. It doesn't make less poor people, it makes more. It doesn't give people motivation to better themselves, it demotivates them. It doesn't give them reason to educate themselves, it gives them reason to ignore education.
And you call yourself a patriot 
For the record, why are you complaining? It's capitalism; what you want is what you get.
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I had to quote this because it was just THAT funny. Sweet sweet irony.
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posted November 06, 2010 03:11 PM |
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There, there, it's alri... ewww!
Elodin, you come here and apologize mister!
OK. I'm sorry that Bak can't seem to understand the real world and simple logic. 
@ the Bakmeister
As I Christian I believe in charity and practice it. Unlike any Marxist I know of I gave over 50% of my income to charity. Charity is a person voluntarily helping someone as he wills as opposed to the government stealing the money and redistributing it as some beaurocrat wills.
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