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Fauch
Fauch


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Undefeatable Hero
posted November 10, 2010 03:28 AM bonus applied by VokialBG on 26 Sep 2011.
Edited by Fauch at 02:26, 25 Sep 2011.

[WIP]Another new faction

Credits :
The Shadow of Death (tiers 1, 1A, 1B, 2B)
Radar (tier 2)
Dark Crystal (tiers 4B)


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oh yes, I forgot the music : put in : /music/Town-Themes

This town replaces academy and relies mostly on magic and defense.
The creatures usually have good defense (especially magic defense), high initiative, but low manoeuvrability. They are built to work in synergy and better for slow strategies and careful planning

Heros start with the artificer skill, 2 defense, 1 spellpower, 2 knowledge. When leveling up, chances are as follow :
10% offense
30% defense
25% spellpower
35% knowledge

their favourite skills are sorcery and destructive magic. you can guess the chances for defense are high also, whereas the chances for attack are very low. They can learn a 13th skill : shatter dark.

Creatures :



Wisp


Arcane blades



Mage


Sentinel



Mimic crystal


Rock



Wizard lord


Skillwheel :

HERO_SKILL_LOGISTICS 7%
==> HERO_SKILL_PATHFINDING
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_PATH_OF_WAR
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_MARCH_OF_THE_MACHINES
==> ==> (+ scouting) HERO_SKILL_SNATCH
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_DEATH_TREAD
==> ==> ==> HERO_SKILL_TELEPORT_ASSAULT
==> HERO_SKILL_SCOUTING
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_DISGUISE_AND_RECKON
==> ==> (+ eagle eye) HERO_SKILL_QUICKNESS_OF_MIND
==> HERO_SKILL_NAVIGATION

HERO_SKILL_WAR_MACHINES 8%
==> HERO_SKILL_FIRST_AID
==> HERO_SKILL_BALLISTA
==> HERO_SKILL_CATAPULT
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_TRIPLE_CATAPULT
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_RUNIC_MACHINES
==> (+ artificial glory) HERO_SKILL_REMOTE_CONTROL

HERO_SKILL_LEARNING 7%
==> HERO_SKILL_INTELLIGENCE
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_ACADEMY_AWARD
==> ==> ==> HERO_SKILL_MENTORING
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_STUDENT_AWARD
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_DARK_REVELATION
==> HERO_SKILL_SCHOLAR
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_MASTER_OF_SECRETS
==> HERO_SKILL_EAGLE_EYE

HERO_SKILL_LEADERSHIP 2%
==> HERO_SKILL_RECRUITMENT
==> ==> (+ diplomacy) HERO_SKILL_ENCOURAGE
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_FAST_AND_FURIOUS
==> HERO_SKILL_ESTATES
==> HERO_SKILL_DIPLOMACY
==> ==> (+ master of secrets) HERO_SKILL_EMPATHY

HERO_SKILL_LUCK 2%
==> HERO_SKILL_RESISTANCE
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_MAGIC_MIRROR
==> HERO_SKILL_LUCKY_STRIKE
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_DEAD_LUCK
==> ==> (+ insights) HERO_SKILL_LUCKY_SPELLS
==> HERO_SKILL_FORTUNATE_ADVENTURER
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_GRAIL_VISION
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_SPOILS_OF_WAR

HERO_SKILL_OFFENCE 2%
==> HERO_SKILL_TACTICS
==> HERO_SKILL_ARCHERY
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_WILDFIRE
==> HERO_SKILL_FRENZY
==> ==> (+ master of ice) HERO_SKILL_CHILLING_STEEL
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_POWER_OF_HASTE

HERO_SKILL_DEFENCE 10%
==> HERO_SKILL_PROTECTION
==> ==> (+ demonic fire) HERO_SKILL_DEMONIC_RETALIATION
==> ==> ==> HERO_SKILL_PREPARATION
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_CHILLING_BONES
==> HERO_SKILL_EVASION
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_LAST_STAND
==> HERO_SKILL_TOUGHNESS
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_HOLD_GROUND

HERO_SKILL_SORCERY 15%
==> HERO_SKILL_MYSTICISM
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_CHAOTIC_SPELLS
==> HERO_SKILL_WISDOM
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_INSIGHTS
==> ==> ==> HERO_SKILL_DISTRACT
==> HERO_SKILL_ARCANE_TRAINING
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_SPELLPROOF_BONES
==> ==> (+ magic bond) HERO_SKILL_COUNTERSPELL
==> ==> ==> (+ melt artifact) HERO_SKILL_CASTER_CERTIFICATE

HERO_SKILL_DESTRUCTIVE_MAGIC 8%
==> HERO_SKILL_MASTER_OF_ICE
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_DEADLY_COLD
==> HERO_SKILL_MASTER_OF_FIRE
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_SUN_FIRE
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_ANCIENT_SMITHY
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_SET_AFIRE
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_DEMONIC_FIRE
==> ==> ==> HERO_SKILL_DEMONIC_FLAME
==> HERO_SKILL_MASTER_OF_LIGHTNINGS
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_MAGIC_CUSHION
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_SECRETS_OF_DESTRUCTION

HERO_SKILL_DARK_MAGIC 2%
==> HERO_SKILL_MASTER_OF_CURSES
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_PAYBACK
==> HERO_SKILL_MASTER_OF_MIND
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_SHRUG_DARKNESS
==> HERO_SKILL_MASTER_OF_SICKNESS
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_SUPRESS_DARK

HERO_SKILL_LIGHT_MAGIC 10%
==> HERO_SKILL_MASTER_OF_BLESSING
==> HERO_SKILL_MASTER_OF_ABJURATION
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_FIRE_PROTECTION
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_ETERNAL_LIGHT
==> HERO_SKILL_MASTER_OF_WRATH
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_STORM_WIND
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_ELITE_CASTERS

HERO_SKILL_SUMMONING_MAGIC 15%
==> HERO_SKILL_MASTER_OF_QUAKES
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_FOG_VEIL
==> HERO_SKILL_MASTER_OF_CREATURES
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_ELEMENTAL_BALANCE
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_FIRE_AFFINITY
==> ==> HERO_SKILL_UNSUMMON
==> HERO_SKILL_MASTER_OF_ANIMATION
==> (+ magic bond) HERO_SKILL_ELEMENTAL_OVERKILL
==> (+ master of creatures) HERO_SKILL_RUNIC_ARMOR

HERO_SKILL_ARTIFICIER 10%
==> HERO_SKILL_MAGIC_BOND
==> HERO_SKILL_MELT_ARTIFACT
==> HERO_SKILL_ARTIFICIAL_GLORY
(+ preparation, demonic flame, caster certificate) HERO_SKILL_ABSOLUTE_WIZARDY

HERO_SKILL_SHATTER_DARK_MAGIC 2%
==> HERO_SKILL_CORRUPT_DARK
==> HERO_SKILL_WEAKEN_DARK
==> HERO_SKILL_DETAIN_DARK

Heroes (they all start with artificer basic) :



Neela : speciality tier 1, sorcery basic, mysticism, magic arrow
Astral : speciality tier 3, luck basic, warrior's luck, deflect arrows
Rufus : speciality bombardier, war machines advanced
Piquedram : speciality tier 4, defense basic, protection, haste
Solmyr : speciality chain lightning, destruction basic, master of lightning, chain lightning, empowered chain lightning
Theodorus : speciality talented warrior, enlightment advanced, dispel
Daremyth : speciality beater, logistics basic, pathfinding, teleport
Timerkhan : speciality time shifter, summoning basic, master of creatures

Castle and adventure map buildings :










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Warlord
Warlord


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Lord of Image Spam
posted November 10, 2010 04:48 AM

Looks quite interesting. Keep it coming!
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trashid
trashid


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posted November 10, 2010 04:50 PM

Good luck
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Fauch
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Undefeatable Hero
posted November 10, 2010 05:08 PM

added the unupgraded creatures.

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trashid
trashid


Famous Hero
posted November 10, 2010 05:14 PM

The Sentinel looks good
Also "Dom" is short for damage, right?
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Fauch
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Undefeatable Hero
posted November 11, 2010 12:08 AM

ah yes, I mixed french and english

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Lichking012
Lichking012


Known Hero
posted November 11, 2010 03:21 AM
Edited by Lichking012 at 03:22, 11 Nov 2010.

I have to say I am really impressed. Although I do think that some things could use some tweaking.

First of all I think that it is odd to have a creature called a mage that doesn't cast spells I understand why they don't for balance purposes, but I think that giving them a low level defensive spell to cast would not be a bad idea. And it fits with the theme.

The Arcane blades are quite a cool unit, but I don't their abilities quite match up. I can see magic proof, but I don't get how they are elemental or mechanical. I also think that the costs ability would be really cool on this unit and since they are only floating swords, it makes sense.

I also don't like the roc model. It just looks too much like a Griffin to me. Making it brown doesn't really change that too much. I also think that it isn't awesome enough to be a level 6 unit. A roc was never higher than 5th tier. I don't quite get how it relates to the town Rocs are generally hard hitting generally fast attackers. I think a reworked djinn type unit still works a lot better than this. It can fly and perform basically the same role, while fitting the theme a little bit better.

I think that the Magic Crystal and setinal should be seperated by something tier-wise. They are very similar at least graphically, and they serve a somewhat similar purpose. Its kind of lame to have two giant stones for 2 units in a row.

As for the level 7, I think it could benefit from more spell points and some more offensive spells. I really like the unit and its style, although it might be a good idea to try and make it less short, but that's really a minor thing.

I also have a few questions. What is the towns name? How does it relate to the lore? Will their be a campaign?

These are just a few suggestions, take them or leave them. It's your project, do what you want with it. I'm really impressed with your work so far. Keep it up.

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Fauch
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Undefeatable Hero
posted November 11, 2010 04:15 AM

Quote:
First of all I think that it is odd to have a creature called a mage that doesn't cast spells I understand why they don't for balance purposes, but I think that giving them a low level defensive spell to cast would not be a bad idea. And it fits with the theme.

wanted them to focus on range attack, since they are the only shooter. they use their magic to shoot.

Quote:
The Arcane blades are quite a cool unit, but I don't their abilities quite match up. I can see magic proof, but I don't get how they are elemental or mechanical. I also think that the costs ability would be really cool on this unit and since they are only floating swords, it makes sense.

but they aren't alive or undead either. what is the costs ability?


Quote:
I also don't like the roc model. It just looks too much like a Griffin to me. Making it brown doesn't really change that too much. I also think that it isn't awesome enough to be a level 6 unit. A roc was never higher than 5th tier. I don't quite get how it relates to the town Rocs are generally hard hitting generally fast attackers. I think a reworked djinn type unit still works a lot better than this. It can fly and perform basically the same role, while fitting the theme a little bit better.


the thunderbird was an unit of the highest tier in homm4. rocs are like 20m big birds, they should be strong.
don't have much choice for it, between the griffin model and the phoenix model. but I want a bird. it evolves into 2 kinds of magical birds.

Quote:
I think that the Magic Crystal and setinal should be seperated by something tier-wise. They are very similar at least graphically, and they serve a somewhat similar purpose. Its kind of lame to have two giant stones for 2 units in a row.

I'm not under the impression they serve the same purpose. maybe it's because I haven't posted the upgrade yet. the 2 crystal upgrades have totally different purposes.

Quote:
As for the level 7, I think it could benefit from more spell points and some more offensive spells. I really like the unit and its style, although it might be a good idea to try and make it less short, but that's really a minor thing.

could be possible actually. upgrades will have few but very powerful spells. well, as if teleport wasn't good already. but they will be weak for tiers 7, their main role is caster, not attacker.

Quote:
I also have a few questions. What is the towns name? How does it relate to the lore? Will their be a campaign?

I have no idea lol. I wouldn't know how to make a campaign.

Quote:
These are just a few suggestions, take them or leave them. It's your project, do what you want with it. I'm really impressed with your work so far. Keep it up.

though, level 1 and 2 units aren't my work. I don't know if I'm going to use the suggestions yet.

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Lichking012
Lichking012


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posted November 11, 2010 06:50 AM

Quote:
wanted them to focus on range attack, since they are the only shooter. they use their magic to shoot.


fair enough that makes sense.

Quote:

but they aren't alive or undead either. what is the costs ability?


Well the wisps are living aren't they? I understand that they are "summoned" because they are arcane but Phoenixes are alive and summonable. And sorry I ment the ghost's ability, incorporeal. I just can't spell the word ghost apparently.


Quote:
the thunderbird was an unit of the highest tier in homm4. rocs are like 20m big birds, they should be strong.
don't have much choice for it, between the griffin model and the phoenix model. but I want a bird. it evolves into 2 kinds of magical birds


I did forget about heroes 4. I guess my main issue is with the model, but i understand why you don't want to use the phoenix one since everyone uses it.


Quote:
I'm not under the impression they serve the same purpose. maybe it's because I haven't posted the upgrade yet. the 2 crystal upgrades have totally different purposes.


Well they both have relatively defensive stats, and are giant stone things. I'm not saying they aren't different but they have a decent amount in common. On a side note I think that the crystal unit is really really unique and interesting.

Quote:
could be possible actually. upgrades will have few but very powerful spells. well, as if teleport wasn't good already. but they will be weak for tiers 7, their main role is caster, not attacker.

That is true, teleport is quite a good thing to have.


Quote:
I have no idea lol. I wouldn't know how to make a campaign.


Well keeping it academy doesn't quite fit. maybe Tower or just Arcane , since you don't really have any constructs like golems but have lots of just straight up "magical things"? Like a magic crystal and wisp and magic swords. idk lol.
Quote:
though, level 1 and 2 units aren't my work. I don't know if I'm going to use the suggestions yet.
Well even still, you did work to give them stats and abilities and such. Plus you still made a bunch of excellent units yourself.

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trashid
trashid


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posted November 11, 2010 01:30 PM
Edited by trashid at 13:40, 11 Nov 2010.

And i have a question too
Will rock be bigger than griffin? Also why does everyone choose between phoenix and griffin, am i the first person who uses the firebird model?
And a proposition, it would be cool, if one of the sentinel upgrades had the old treant model
And also to stretch a model, you need to add rotation, while having <w> set to zero, as if you don't know
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TSoD
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posted November 11, 2010 02:08 PM

Of course I agree you put some of my creaures into your new faction, they are there for the entire community to enjoy them.
But you could have put some credits at least, or just have told me about it... Just saying.
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Fauch
Fauch


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Undefeatable Hero
posted November 11, 2010 04:26 PM
Edited by Fauch at 17:28, 11 Nov 2010.

credits are at the end of the master post. maybe I should have put them at the beginning.


and the level 1 upgrade will have mana syphon, that's why I didn't want the tier 3 as casters. that way, tier 7 will get all the mana.

Quote:
Well the wisps are living aren't they? I understand that they are "summoned" because they are arcane but Phoenixes are alive and summonable. And sorry I ment the ghost's ability, incorporeal. I just can't spell the word ghost apparently.


I thought you were talking about arcane blades. wisps are alive. incorporeality might be a bit much for a tier 1 unit


Quote:
Well they both have relatively defensive stats, and are giant stone things. I'm not saying they aren't different but they have a decent amount in common. On a side note I think that the crystal unit is really really unique and interesting.


the crystal isn't very defensive. the only thing it can do is summon lightning bolt.

Quote:
Well keeping it academy doesn't quite fit. maybe Tower or just Arcane , since you don't really have any constructs like golems but have lots of just straight up "magical things"? Like a magic crystal and wisp and magic swords. idk lol.


sentinels will probably be kind of golems.


Quote:
Will rock be bigger than griffin?

That's an idea, but it requires me to use a griffin effect, it is quite a bit of work for such little result, especially when the size of creatures isn't realistic anyway. I will focus on more important stuffs first.


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Also why does everyone choose between phoenix and griffin, am i the first person who uses the firebird model?

I don't want the firebird model either. the griffin looks tougher.


Quote:
And also to stretch a model, you need to add rotation, while having <w> set to zero, as if you don't know

?? why would I want to stretch a model?


I was looking at arcane blades, and thought it actually looked silly. why would wizards enchant such small weapons? I've replaced them with swords.

here are current stats for the creatures :


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lichking012
lichking012


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posted November 11, 2010 10:03 PM
Edited by lichking012 at 22:04, 11 Nov 2010.

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I thought you were talking about arcane blades. wisps are alive. incorporeality might be a bit much for a tier 1 unit



I was, but they are the same type of mystical spirit thing type unit. So I was comparing them. Since one is a living creature, I think it is reasonable to make the other a living creature too.




the crystal isn't very defensive. the only thing it can do is summon lightning bolt.
Quote:


it a pretty decent sized defense stat. It's totally not a big deal either way. I was just throwing it out there.

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Fauch
Fauch


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Undefeatable Hero
posted November 12, 2010 01:46 AM
Edited by Fauch at 03:15, 12 Nov 2010.

?? arcanes blades are pieces of metal.

oh yes, the crystal isn't low on defense indeed, but it has less HPs than the tier 4 units

added more screenshots to the master post

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Lichking012
Lichking012


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posted November 12, 2010 06:36 AM

Quote:
?? arcanes blades are pieces of metal.


well yes but they are magical floating pieces of metal. There has to be some spirit thing holding them up. Otherwise how would you kill them? you can't kill a sword. Personally I always thought of the unit as a magical spirit guiding the swords, hence the glowing. Since it is a spirit it may be interesting to make it incorporeal. If you don't see it that way that's totally cool too.

And I love the mage upgrades They look fantastic. Same with the Setinal upgrades. Especial the Magma guard.

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Fauch
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Undefeatable Hero
posted November 12, 2010 06:02 PM
Edited by Fauch at 18:25, 12 Nov 2010.

yeah, the other one needs more work I think, it could look more metalic, probably

blade barrier + incorporeal would be a bit over the top
personnaly, I just imagined them as blades which can't fight anymore once they are broken.

there was a mistake with thunder crystal, they lose magic immunity and gain immunity to all elements. it was impossible to teleport them, which made them near useless.

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D00m259
D00m259


Hired Hero
posted November 12, 2010 10:33 PM

I have a big question. I want to replace the Haven, but I can't figure out how to change the models for the creatures. How would I do this?

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Fauch
Fauch


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Undefeatable Hero
posted November 13, 2010 04:48 PM

it's complicated to explain. could be as little as changing a simple link, if you just want to swap models.



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D00m259
D00m259


Hired Hero
posted November 13, 2010 07:10 PM

Ya, I want to change the Peasant model to a re-textured imp.

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trashid
trashid


Famous Hero
posted November 13, 2010 11:04 PM

The grifffin looks random. If i can  suggest you something then use overlay over a gray-colored griffin's original texture with your actual texture
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