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Corribus
Corribus

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posted November 10, 2010 08:49 PM

Cigarettes

Today the FDA unveiled a new regulation that will require cigarette manufacturers to display much larger warning labels on packs of cigarettes that also feature disturbing images illustrating the consequences of smoking cigarettes.

A much needed regulation that will protect public health and discourage kids from smoking?

An empty gesture that will accomplish nothing - either good or bad?

A serious violation of our liberties and another dangerous step in the direction of too much government intrusion into our lives?

HC, YOU DECIDE!

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1910
1910


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posted November 10, 2010 08:53 PM

It's been like that in Australia for a very long time now. They have Ad's on the TVs that are disgusting as well, showing exactly how smoking affects your brain, lungs, mouth etc. It's disgusting but it shows you what it does so it can prevent people from taking up smoking because of what it can do to you.

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Binabik
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posted November 10, 2010 10:17 PM

I have mixed feelings about this type of thing. In general I look at it like if it's legal then it's legal.

I'm not really against education campaigns to teach/warn people about unhealthy lifestyles, as long as it's effective. But I think that when an industry is perfectly legal, then to turn around and file massive lawsuits or tax the crap out of those same industries is hypocrisy. To make an industry legal and then punish the crap out of anyone who participates in that industry just doesn't make sense.

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baklava
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posted November 10, 2010 11:26 PM

They can put photos of roadkills and genocide victims and write "YOUR MOTHER PROSTITUTES HERSELF FOR HEROIN" all over the packs, people are still going to smoke.

Why?

Because for every one of these:



there's one of these:



They simply can't kill the sheer coolness of the cigarette, no matter how hard they try.

The only possible way to kill it would be to make a series of commercials with various especially slimy real world politicians smoking and going, "This is what the youth of this country really needs! Go ahead, young man, you have our full support!"
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Doomforge
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posted November 10, 2010 11:52 PM

No use to fight socially-accepted drugs like alcohol or nicotine. Once they get accepted, nothing will change people's minds. They will just claim they are ok.
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xerox
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posted November 11, 2010 12:06 AM

It's still addictive.

What I hate about smokers is that they do not only hurt themselves, cus I don't care about their health when they have a choice to quit, but so many people around them. The smoke affects people around the smoker aswell, especially children. (yes, I had to use that card).

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DarkLord
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posted November 11, 2010 12:18 AM

I am a smoker. And i would say pictures and warnings on the cigarette pack doesn't help. The idea of denying smoking actually irritates smokers most of the time.
So i would say Reducing instead of Denying!!! By time it will be less and less smokers. What is the best way?? Simply Make Ciggies EXPENSIVE ! that's it! that's the solution. If they cost A LOT , people will smoke only when they really Want to, not just a part of the habit.
From the other side i don't think anything fundamental will ever be implimented cuz Tobacco companies just make ennormous amount of money , so , u know.. $$$
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Minion
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posted November 11, 2010 12:37 AM
Edited by Minion at 00:37, 11 Nov 2010.

An information campaing about the dangers of smoking is not only a good thing it should be the responsibility of a government. They allow for such a dangerous substance to be sold, at least warn people about the affecs it might have.

We have had those for quite some time (Finland), hasn't decreased smoking that much though if my knowledge is up to date. In finland it is more needed because we have universal healthcare, so the less people smoke the less money is spent at treating tobacco based illnessess.
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xerox
xerox


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posted November 11, 2010 12:55 AM

I am at the age where some people around you start smoking for some reason.

But I just can't understand why you would start smoking! My mind can not grasp why in Hades, people would agree to get addicted to a drug which makes you smell like snow, can turn your voice into that of a witch, makes you a hundred more times vurnuble to diseases such as a cold and finally, atleast in my country smoking does cost a lot. I believe one small smoking package costs like 4-7 euro here or something like that. And smoking one of those packages every day adds up to become a lot of money and that money wasted, affects the whole family in the end.
You can spend that money on a lot of other things than hurting yourself and others for no viable reason. You can spend that money to make yourself or even better, other people around you more happy. Maybe you are a parent that spends hundreds of euro every year on cigarettes. Well, for that money you could probably have taken your kids to do something fun and memorable that both you and your kid(s) can cheerish.

My mum who is a smoker says she doesn't care if she dies 10 years earlier because of her smoking. But that it just so selfish. First off, then she might regret that a lot and actually enjoy life as a senior. Secondely, a lot people would care a lot if she could have lived 10 years more and end up feeling very frustrated that they can not spend another 10 years with her because she smoked for most of her life.
She did stop smoking when she was pregnant with my dad but then she started again. Wtf? Why would you do that!

And of course, most other people in my age don't even know what an argument is.

Or maybe tons of people are just weak. Maybe lots of young people starting to smoke can't speak and stand up for themselves and see that starting to smoke is a hugely bad idea.

I am the complete opposite of that. To people outside of my family (cause I find that embarrasing and don't want to destroy my family relations xD), I just say anything I feel like saying when something is negative.
I would never, ever let anyone tell me what to do if I do not think it sounds reasonable and I would especially not fall for group pressure like probably many people do.

If I think that school has false democracy or that handcraft should not be graded in school, then I have a tendency to write an article to local or even national newspaper and argue on that level. xD
Because, I just loving argueing with people I don't know, Especially online. Cause I am probably very weak. I have my job practise for two weeks now. I was exhausted after the first day and my job practice is on in a Food store. xD Two days later, I call myself in to be sick. xD

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posted November 11, 2010 12:59 AM

Quote:
My mum who is a smoker says she doesn't care if she dies 10 years earlier because of her smoking. But that it just so selfish. First off, then she might regret that a lot and actually enjoy life as a senior. Secondely, a lot people would care a lot if she could have lived 10 years more and end up feeling very frustrated that they can not spend another 10 years with her because she smoked for most of her life.
She did stop smoking when she was pregnant with my dad but then she started again. Wtf? Why would you do that!



Because she liked smoking?
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Elodin
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posted November 11, 2010 02:22 AM

Quote:
Today the FDA unveiled a new regulation that will require cigarette manufacturers to display much larger warning labels on packs of cigarettes that also feature disturbing images illustrating the consequences of smoking cigarettes.

A much needed regulation that will protect public health and discourage kids from smoking?

An empty gesture that will accomplish nothing - either good or bad?

A serious violation of our liberties and another dangerous step in the direction of too much government intrusion into our lives?

HC, YOU DECIDE!


I think it is not a good regulation.

I have never even smoked one cigarette. But every adult who wants to smoke has the right. And certainly everyone knows that smoking can potentially kill you. Then again, that can be said of many things that are legal. Of couse I have also know people to live into their 90s who were heavy smokers their entire life.

I don't think it is the government's job or right to try to control the behavior of the people through taxation or through requiring a company to post negative images of their products on products they sell.

The government has greater problems to deal with than a person chosing to smoke even though the government does not want them to.
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blizzardboy
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posted November 11, 2010 02:32 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 02:33, 11 Nov 2010.

I don't have an issue with government-enforced consumer awareness, though this does seem somewhat abrasive.

Either way I consider it a trivial matter. The effects of this regulation will likely be very minute. The greatest combatant to cigarette smoking are over-the-counter and prescription products to assist in quitting and continued social pressure. Once upon a time smoking was considered classy, but these days most smokers are lower-class people and it is associated with being cruddy. People want to look good, thus smoking continues to fad away.
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alcibiades
alcibiades


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posted November 11, 2010 11:33 AM

Any none-smoking regulation is a good initiative in my oppinion.

It might not change the world today, or tomorrow, but look at how attitude has changed towards smoking over the last 50 years - there HAS deffinitely been a change.

All we can hope is that in the long run, it will have an effect. Hopefully in 20 or 50 years from now, smoking WILL have lost its coolness.

I'm working in a school in an area of generally well-off people, which means the kids comes from homes with good or at least decent income, most of their parents are well educated, etc. About half (HALF!) the kids in school smoke. I think it's an absolutely disaster, and I think it's something that WILL have to be changed.

In Denmark, we've had those kinds of warnings and campaigns for many years, and still a lot of young people start smoking. I think it's a tragedy, but I hope someday the pattern will change. Maybe it shows that the campaigns don't work - but if just a small part of them change their mind, at least something has been achieved, and maybe in the long run we'll succeed in killing smoking.
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ihor
ihor


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posted November 11, 2010 01:00 PM

If at least one life could be saved from lung cancer, then obviously it is a good regulation.
No, it doesn't restrict any smokers' rights. Anyone can still buy cigarettes at the same price, it just attracts attention to the global problem, nothing wrong here imho.

BTW, I recall one episode from last summer. We with my friends were sitting in the minirestuarant and noticed a couple entered with baby carriage. Soon we were extremely surprised as both young parents started smoking and drinking vodka, the smoke spreaded right above the 3-year child in the baby carriage. The picture was disgusting.

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1910
1910


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posted November 11, 2010 02:30 PM
Edited by 1910 at 14:30, 11 Nov 2010.

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I think it is not a good regulation.

I have never even smoked one cigarette. But every adult who wants to smoke has the right. And certainly everyone knows that smoking can potentially kill you. Then again, that can be said of many things that are legal. Of couse I have also know people to live into their 90s who were heavy smokers their entire life.


I actually agree with this. Good post, Elodin.

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Fauch
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posted November 11, 2010 03:30 PM

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About half (HALF!) the kids in school smoke. I think it's an absolutely disaster, and I think it's something that WILL have to be changed.


how old are they? like 14? in my last school, it rather looked like 75-80% of people smoked.

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alcibiades
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posted November 11, 2010 07:14 PM

Quote:
Quote:
About half (HALF!) the kids in school smoke. I think it's an absolutely disaster, and I think it's something that WILL have to be changed.

how old are they? like 14? in my last school, it rather looked like 75-80% of people smoked.

No, a bit older - 16-19 mostly.
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posted November 11, 2010 07:43 PM

Most teens, 14-18, smokes for some time. They all know , but they don't realize, that smoking is bad. Then there's the group that wants to feel smug with their intelligence and better-than-you attitude.
( Up here there is a third group. The ones who use snus/ sniff, but noone cares, do they?)
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mvassilev
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posted November 11, 2010 08:29 PM

Huh? In my high school, only maybe 10% of the people smoked, if even that. In America, at least, smoking is not heavily stigmatised and it's generally not seen as cool any more.
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Corribus
Corribus

Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
posted November 11, 2010 09:05 PM

I was surprised when I went to France how everyone smoked.  WHY WOULD YOU DO IT?  Old people I can understand.  They're already addicted.  But young people.

By the way, am I the only one who thinks it's a turn-off?  Nothing decreases the sexual allure of a woman IMO than when she lights up a cigarette.

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