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Elvin
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posted November 19, 2010 11:37 PM |
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What is Wrong with People?
This afternoon I was waiting for the metro. I was pacing around when I heard some people shouting, I turn and see someone had fallen in the rails, a Pakistani guy. The sign showed that the next metro arrival was in 30 seconds and the man in there was trying to climb up but couldn't. A middle aged guy comes to the edge and extends his hand but cannot lift him up. Ten, fifteen seconds pass before someone comes to help lift the guy up ad not long after the metro arrives. Nobody else bothered to interfere. I was furious.
Amusingly enough the guy's reaction after getting pulled out was to straighten his shirt and dust off his pants. He was probably too drunk or stoned to realize what had happened, probably why he came to be in this situation to begin with.
This is wrong on so many levels, are we so numb that we would not lift a finger when a life is in danger? No surprise it's all going to hell, nobody cares.
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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted November 19, 2010 11:48 PM |
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Obviously you just watched and did nothing.
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Elvin
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posted November 19, 2010 11:52 PM |
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I was on the other side.
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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted November 19, 2010 11:55 PM |
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1910
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posted November 20, 2010 12:02 AM |
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Could have shouted to get peoples attention. 
In all seriousness though, I agree. Last year, I believe, an EX AFL Footballer and coach aged about 70 went to a woman's defense when he saw her getting mugged or assaulted and in the process, got badly bashed up. I mean, did nobody else see what was happening and why does it take a 70 year old to jump to the defense? World's a bit screwed really.
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Seraphim
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posted November 20, 2010 12:51 AM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 00:55, 20 Nov 2010.
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I have seen and heared many similar stories.
just check this one for eg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lKUwBCIBzA
Makes me amazed as to what amount of degree has humanity fallen.
A damn "Awesome" idea to be living in the US or EU countries these days.
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blizzardboy
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posted November 20, 2010 01:08 AM |
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JoonasTo
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posted November 20, 2010 01:19 AM |
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Around one third of the people in a group have to do something that the rest of the group follows.
That's just how it is.
There have been people killed while bystanders watched.
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blizzardboy
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posted November 20, 2010 01:36 AM |
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Some of it is that a good portion of the population are very heavy followers and just don't have much autonomy, and some of it is because if you're in a crowded area and something is going wrong, you just assume somebody will take care of it or nothing really bad is happening.
Like in that video. Honestly, if I walked into a hospital waiting room with a bunch of people in it and there's a lady laying on the floor in the corner, I probably wouldn't think to say anything. I'd just assume she's a weird lady sleeping on the floor.
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del_diablo
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posted November 20, 2010 02:16 AM |
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I don't find it surprising at all.
We have become more isolated the recent decades, along with that we are a lot more distant from terrible events. So if somebody was ran over by a car, that is just horrible, and not something people would faint from watching.
To make it even worse: If there are 3 or 4 people in a room, and 1 of them collapses, the other people will help because there are not any other people there who can help, but when there suddenly is 20-30 people in the room, the amount of bystanders increase exponentially.
When somebody collapses within a crowd, nobody will care because they already got things to do, and their just walking by.
Some years ago, it would not have happened in some societies.
Distance+More people+Location=A lot worse result
If you mug somebody in a crowd, unless you are waving a weapon around or a big fight ensues, who does actually care? The fact that we have this face sense of security is nice, until somebody who is different spots it and decides to have fun.
I guess its generally the same as humans submitting: The last test attempt on weither to obey or not obey had 81% obeying rate after all.
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Fauch
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posted November 20, 2010 03:02 AM |
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there is a difference, in that test, you don't know what the other people did, do you? so it's not the same kind of conformism.
what I'm wondering is why did no one intervene. people are so mesmerized by the screens of their I-pads nowadays that they may have not noticed at all.
and if the guy had been killed? I wonder if those people would have felt guilty for not helping him?
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Lord_Immortal
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posted November 21, 2010 07:48 PM |
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This afternoon I was waiting for the metro. I was pacing around when I heard some people shouting, I turn and see someone had fallen in the rails, a Pakistani guy. The sign showed that the next metro arrival was in 30 seconds and the man in there was trying to climb up but couldn't. A middle aged guy comes to the edge and extends his hand but cannot lift him up. Ten, fifteen seconds pass before someone comes to help lift the guy up ad not long after the metro arrives. Nobody else bothered to interfere. I was furious.
Amusingly enough the guy's reaction after getting pulled out was to straighten his shirt and dust off his pants. He was probably too drunk or stoned to realize what had happened, probably why he came to be in this situation to begin with.
This is wrong on so many levels, are we so numb that we would not lift a finger when a life is in danger? No surprise it's all going to hell, nobody cares.
I think that their Divine Thoughts and Sacred Affairs were more important than someone's life!
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Salamandre
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posted November 21, 2010 07:52 PM |
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Warmonger
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posted November 21, 2010 08:21 PM |
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It's always necessary to have a mind on your own, but on the other hand I have rather slow reaction and I'm the last person to act in most situation. But a herd of fools can't stop me.
It's probably an effect of indifference caused by our experience. People are used to violence and death in films and games, breaking news becoming boring with every day and general assumption that you've already seen everything. Some fainting on the floor or getting stuck in a railway is just not impressive at all.
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JoonasTo
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posted November 21, 2010 08:24 PM |
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Used to violence?
Let's put anyone out on the street, give him a knife and get him into a situation where he has to kill someone to defend himself. You'll see exactly how used they are to violence.
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Doomforge
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posted November 21, 2010 08:30 PM |
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Or show a random person a decapitation. Most people suffer a lot of trauma after seeing violent death nowadays.
Then think of times when families went to the market square to see the sunday's decapitation of criminals as local attraction 
If anything, human sensitivity to violence has greatly increased from distant ages.
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Fauch
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posted November 22, 2010 02:24 AM |
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Edited by Fauch at 02:26, 22 Nov 2010.
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which makes me thinks they were probably too busy with their i-phones to notice anything.
I have trouble thinking that most people wouldn't care if someone died in front of them.
unless they are unsure and assume the guy must just be sleeping, because it is the easiest thing to do.
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It's probably an effect of indifference caused by our experience. People are used to violence and death in films and games, breaking news becoming boring with every day and general assumption that you've already seen everything. Some fainting on the floor or getting stuck in a railway is just not impressive at all.
but a probable effect of that is when we see war at the news, we say it's sad but it's none of our concern, and people can keep dying on the other side of the world and we don't care.
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blizzardboy
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posted November 22, 2010 02:33 AM |
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Or show a random person a decapitation. Most people suffer a lot of trauma after seeing violent death nowadays.
Then think of times when families went to the market square to see the sunday's decapitation of criminals as local attraction
If anything, human sensitivity to violence has greatly increased from distant ages.
It's complicated (naturally). People have become increasingly less violent in history, and also increasingly more isolated. Internally, family structure has weakened, and in the bigger picture, communities have become less sociable and close-knit. The sad irony is that there's probably a connection between the two: as life gets easier, people are less driven to be close-knit with each other and become more internalized. I think both extreme violence/exploitation and extreme compassion have dwindled, resulting in complacency.
If another major depression occurs, and if it's ongoing, violence will increase, and the role of family and small community will also increase.
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shyranis
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posted November 25, 2010 01:49 AM |
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If another major depression occurs, and if it's ongoing, violence will increase, and the role of family and small community will also increase.
And cases of extreme compassion as well =)
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Doomforge
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posted November 25, 2010 08:06 AM |
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Internally, family structure has weakened, and in the bigger picture, communities have become less sociable and close-knit.
I see nothing bad about it, but perhaps that's because I'm a loner myself.
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