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posted January 21, 2012 07:08 PM |
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What exactly does "Catholic hospital" stand for and what makes it different from a... hm... non-Catholic hospital?
A Catholic hospital would be a hospital that ministers to the physical and spiritual needs of its patients in accordance with the tenets of Catholicism. Typically you'll see a lot of nuns helping care for the patients and there will be a chapel and a priest available to minister to the patients and visitors.
Here is an example mission statement of a Catholic hospital.
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Faithful to the philosophy and heritage of the Sisters of Charity of St. Augustine, the St. Vincent Charity Medical Center family is committed to the healing mission of Jesus. As Caregivers, we serve with: a deep respect for the dignity and value of all persons; our practice of quality care; our dedication to the poor; and, our commitment to education.
Our Vision
St. Vincent Charity Medical Center, with the commitment of its Caregivers and physicians, will be a leading model for healthcare delivery in Northeast Ohio based on its faith-based mission, dedication to education, commitment to the communities it serves, excellence in the patient experience it provides, focus on surgical services, and partnerships with physicians and other constituencies.
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posted January 21, 2012 07:19 PM |
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Contraception is taught to always be sin in Catholicism.
Ah yes, Monty Python taught that lesson to the mostly Anglican english public of the 80's.
Also, anybody should be free to go to whatever hospital they want. Generally a hospital should not be forced into a service it does not wish to provide unless it is the only serviceable hospital in the area.
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posted January 21, 2012 07:35 PM |
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WOW religious HOSPITALS?
the US is now officially worse and more fanatic than Iran
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posted January 21, 2012 07:49 PM |
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Generally a hospital should not be forced into a service it does not wish to provide unless it is the only serviceable hospital in the area.
Sounds good in general but you will need to define "the area" and other things that might sound too general and hence left for anyone's opinionated interpretation. The whole thing doesn't sound like too much of a problem anyway - getting contraceptives isn't a matter of great urgency that requires immediate actions (within minutes, a few hours at most) so if there's any... "secular hospital" (the keyboard resists against the typing of such word groups...) around, they can be bought from there. And aren't most of these things supposed to be available in the pharmacies as well? They are here.
Edit: Don't tell me that there are Catholic pharmacies too!
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posted January 21, 2012 08:44 PM |
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What exactly does "Catholic hospital" stand for and what makes it different from a... hm... non-Catholic hospital?
Nothing. They are effectively identical except they are usually named for saints.
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posted January 21, 2012 08:58 PM |
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Aside from the differences I've already mentioned, studies show religious hospitals are simply superior in terms of the care they provide.
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US study says religious hospitals more efficient, provide better care
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New York, 17 August (ENI/RNS)—Roman Catholic and other church-run health care systems in the U.S. are more efficient and provide higher quality care than their secular counterparts, according to a new Thomson Reuters study.
The study looked at 255 health care systems and found that Catholic and other church-owned systems are “significantly more likely to provide higher quality care and efficiency” than both investor-owned and nonprofit health systems, Religion News Service reports.
There was no statistical difference between Catholic and other church-run health systems, according to the study, which built on information gleaned from Reuters’ “Top 100 Hospitals” report.
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“When your mission is rooted in Jesus who healed the sick, only top quality care will do,” said Sister Mary Ann Walsh, a spokesperson for the U.S. bishops. “This study confirms what many take for granted. The church leads in providing quality health care efficiently.”
Thomson Reuters provides “information solutions” and data to businesses and executives in the health care, finance, legal and media industries.
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posted January 21, 2012 09:05 PM |
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obviously that HAS to do with them being religious
apparently the "Religious News Service" is behind it
they sound like an objective bunch of people
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posted January 21, 2012 10:46 PM |
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Back on topic, please. This thread's about the election.
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posted January 21, 2012 11:21 PM |
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It's funny Elodin, that you can be more ignorant of religious teachings, dilemmas and differences [EDIT: than] the atheists you denounce. You are right however, in saying that generally the Catholic church opposes contraception, although they also feel that having sex during periods of infertility is perfectly acceptable behaviour, and thus a valid form of contraception. There are many little quirks such as this, in many religions and churches, which are not lost on their followers, and differences of opinion and scriptural interpretation are what cause the faithful to not be a single homogeneous bunch. A good example of this would be Jesus - a bloke who didn't agree with what the existing religious ruling class was saying, and decided that he'd teach something else. I wonder if you knew that Jesus was called an atheist by many of his religious brethren... ironic that he was later deified - So when you lump all church members in together (Catholics in this case) you're making a generalisation that I'm sure you would oppose if an atheist, a jew or a muslim were making.
These issues are not black and white, and it becomes increasingly difficult for these kinds of judgements to be made when faced with a moral dilemma, such as contraception vs medical care. (If you're interested in learning more about dilemma in Christian thought, I recommend you brush up on your St. Augustine and Thomas Aquinas for starters) Someone brought up AIDS earlier and that is a fair example of an applicable medical moral dilemma: If a person has AIDS then they are intentionally and potentially fatally harming other people by having sex with them, a far more significant sin than using contraception. Hence a Catholic doctor may well prescribe contraception - even if they believe abstinence is a morally better option - simply on the grounds of pragmatism, but backed up with a cognizant sense of the good.
These kinds of dilemmas occur so often that you see whole parishes and regions teach contrarily to papal or Vatican teachings and edicts, and these actions come from a strong background of FAITH. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said that one has a moral obligation to disobey unjust laws, and many people from a variety of religions agree that sometimes obeying the laws of their lawmakers would be acting against the more important principles that underpin their faith and religion- again, Jesus is a prime example here - even the Catholic church has changed its mind! So your argument that a Catholic hospital can't provide care to those who want/need it because the Catholic church believes them sinful is an erroneous view that is probably divided from doctors, nuns and ministers in those same hospitals you claim to be speaking for. Many of them might believe that contraception is an individual's choice, and therefore their own sin, and not a decision to be made by the hospital as part of its duty of medical care.
There are many other criticisms that come from within a religious framework about what Elodin has said, but frankly I'm starting to doubt that he has the capacity to listen to anything other than the conservative propaganda that he seeks out and distributes. I just find it consistently disturbing when people from the religious right claim to speak from everyone else in their faith community.
By the way, I am currently at the Australian Catholic University doing post grad. The very same university I finished my majors in theology (I believe you nay call it Divinity in the US) and history in as part of my teaching degree. I am an atheist. I count many religious folk among my good and esteemed friends, not all of them Christian. At the moment I have 3 friends who are active in the ministry - a baptist minister, a nun from the order of St. Mary and a Catholic priest. Obviously we have our differences of opinion on certain issues, and I treasure that. Diversity is what makes human beings so interesting.
EDIT FOR 'ON TOPICNESS':
Ron Paul talks a good game (regarding some issues), but I think Obama is a perfect example of the powerlessness of the US presidency. The soaring rhetoric and promise of massive reform has been taken up by both wings by Paul's followers, just as it was for Obama, but I am seriously jaded to any claims that he might make a significant difference. I don't believe that positive political change can occur from the top down anymore.
MOD NOTE: Even though it's, er, 90% off topic, still a quite excellent post. +QP awarded.
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posted January 27, 2012 03:32 AM |
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posted January 27, 2012 05:50 AM |
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Meanwhile, Newt Gingrich is... just read it.
I know this is the OSM... but what the **** am I reading? Seriously, how could this non-issue of making a moon colony be important when there is this thing called "National debt" piled up to our eyebrows be important? Seriously.
Bloody hell.
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posted January 27, 2012 06:28 AM |
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Meanwhile, Newt Gingrich is... just read it.
I know this is the OSM... but what the **** am I reading? Seriously, how could this non-issue of making a moon colony be important when there is this thing called "National debt" piled up to our eyebrows be important? Seriously.
Bloody hell.
Gingrich himself should be the test colonist.
Like, you know, before they put oxygen there or anything.
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posted January 27, 2012 02:52 PM |
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I have never followed american politics before this year, but the more I research Gingrich the more I'm perplexed that someone could vote for this guy! He is a hypocritical, pathological liar. And I don't think I've ever described anyone as that ever. His best talent by far is his ability to turn all the crazy and immoral things that he does and says into something positive.
For instance; He cheated on his second wife and filed for a divorce as she was in the hospital for cancer treatment. The reason? She was not pretty enough for a first lady. And all this was done FOR THE LOVE OF HIS COUNTRY!
"There is no question that at times in my life, partially driven by how passionatly I felt about this country, that I worked far too hard, and that things happened in my life that were not appropriate."
I was going to go on, but I'm not. 40% of South Carolina voters actually voted for him. Unbelievable...
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posted January 27, 2012 03:01 PM |
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40% of SC voted for him because there are only essentially two options in this race and
(1) He had an angry diatribe against the allegedly pro-left media, which the Fox-news Republicans just can't get enough of
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(2) When repeatedly asked to release his tax statements, Romney was, like, "derpa derpa derpa".
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posted January 27, 2012 03:50 PM |
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It's 2004 again.
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posted January 27, 2012 04:19 PM |
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If this crap keeps up the dems might just enjoy 3 presidential terms in a row. Where do they find these people?
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posted January 27, 2012 05:05 PM |
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Economic school?
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posted January 28, 2012 02:03 AM |
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posted January 28, 2012 02:48 AM |
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I know this is the OSM... but what the **** am I reading? Seriously, how could this non-issue of making a moon colony be important when there is this thing called "National debt" piled up to our eyebrows be important? Seriously.
The reason is that its Florida, which is home to a huge part of the space industry. This is basically the same thing as saying that you support corn subsidies while you're in Iowa. What's really amazing though is that he's going to build the moon colony without raising taxes, which is just... miraculous. I don't know how he can possibly do it -he must be Jesus Christ.
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posted January 28, 2012 03:03 AM |
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The money would be donated by the grateful Cuban people, silly.
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