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posted July 13, 2012 07:59 PM |
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@ Just Joe:
Welcome to Heroes community we always enjoy fresh blood around to brighten things up. **Giving you a hand for choosing us**
In regard to the immigrants, the ICE enforcement have actually doubled the numbers of immigrants over Bush since he has been in office. We should except more of that in his tenure. **Breaks out the burritos to celebrate**
One thing I don't agree is his "goal" on the reduction of lobbyist. Lobbyist influence must be reduced if politicians are to serve constituents and act on behalf of "we the people".
It is clear with Obama's record that his claims are nothing more than lippy rhetoric, this type of rhetoric is merely a ploy to get media attention.He has personally served with lobbyists during his earliest days as an elected official in my politically corrupt state of Illinois.
What we are doing is simply going to the polls staring at two highly challenge douche canoes and deciding which boat will throw us over the fecal infested waters. I have lost so much hope I think I will find a new river to swim in.
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xerox
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posted July 13, 2012 08:12 PM |
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atleast your immigrants are fun mexicans who bring burritos and tacos while our problem-immigrants bring nothing but analphabetic people, segregation, racism and crime 
also if I lived in the US, I would move to Canada AS FAST as possible
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GunFred
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posted July 13, 2012 09:38 PM |
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WOW Those greek parties are damn crazy. Pretty much all of them are evil or corrupt. No wonder why they are screwed. Maybe the greeks are better off with their ottoman overlords.
And about the immigrant issue in USA. Look back just a few hundred years in american history and we all know why americans are the last people on earth with the right to whine about immigration.
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xerox
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posted July 13, 2012 11:59 PM |
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The EU should have seized complete political control over Greece, permantly.
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Over himself, over his own
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Darkshadow
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posted July 14, 2012 06:57 AM |
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The EU should have seized complete political control over Greece, permantly.
Time for the European Federation to come forth already.
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del_diablo
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posted July 14, 2012 01:54 PM |
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The EU should have seized complete political control over Greece, permantly.
Which part of the EU by the way? One part is partially controlled by corporate neoliberals that would have burned the country, the other parts have random ideologies.
Or take a look at Spain, its austerity measures might as well actually bankrupt the country due ring effects on consumption. Spain is directly in line with what the banking part of the EU expects, and its not a good sign at all.
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posted July 14, 2012 08:20 PM |
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@ Just Joe:
Welcome to Heroes community we always enjoy fresh blood around to brighten things up. **Giving you a hand for choosing us**
Why, thank you, VF (if I may abbreviate). Hoping that, by "Fresh blood", I will not be shredded too quickly...
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In regard to the immigrants, the ICE enforcement have actually doubled the numbers of immigrants over Bush since he has been in office. We should except more of that in his tenure. **Breaks out the burritos to celebrate**
Not sure how this is to be read... Are you saying we have double the number of immigrants? The number of illegal immigrants? Or, even doubled the illegals deported?
It's hard to tell if we are on the same page or not.
As far as lobbyists? His idea is to reduce the influence of lobbyists on our politcal decision makers. For instance, he wants to stop the "revolving door" of people getting into political power, and making laws that favor a particular company/industry, and then, amazingly, and immediatly, getting high paying jobs within those same industries (often as a lobbyist), and then getting back into politics to make more laws favoring... etc. I don't see a problem with that. It seems you agree. Again though, it is unclear.
There will always be some lobbying going on. There has to be. There needs to be heavy reform in the ways that these snakes influence our politicians. And apparently that is another of the things the current administration is trying to do.
I do wish there were more that could be done to have someone to lobby for the little people, also. But, we the little people generally don't have the means or organization to foot the millions to pay for such free spee... err, I mean influence.
President Obama's record is not as bad as the (so called liberal) media would have you believe. He's actually achieved quite a bit. Particularly when you consider the absolute obstructionist policy of the opposing party. And, it would likely be much better if the extreme right wing, republican party hadn't vowed from the beggining to block everything he and the dems put up.
just(loving my burrito)joe
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violent_flower
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posted July 14, 2012 10:49 PM |
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Why, thank you, VF (if I may abbreviate). Hoping that, by "Fresh blood", I will not be shredded too quickly...Quote:
Well you can ask anyone here if you deem yourself worthy then I will be gentle as a flower, if you don't, then well I tend to get a bit violent.
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In regard to the immigrants, the ICE enforcement have actually doubled the numbers of immigrants over Bush since he has been in office. We should except more of that in his tenure. **Breaks out the burritos to celebrate**
Sorry about the confusion, we actually agree on this, the ICE has deported twice as many illegals as when Bush was in office. This is a positive for Obama's questionable accomplishments.
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As far as lobbyists? His idea is to reduce the influence of lobbyists on our politcal decision makers. For instance, he wants to stop the "revolving door" of people getting into political power, and making laws that favor a particular company/industry, and then, amazingly, and immediatly, getting high paying jobs within those same industries (often as a lobbyist), and then getting back into politics to make more laws favoring... etc. I don't see a problem with that. It seems you agree. Again though, it is unclear.Quote:
The problem is that this is similar to Mitt's support of "Obama care" even creating it some would say, then when it may hurt his campaign he declares this is the "worst thing for this country".
Obama claims he is doing away with lobbyist however his fundraising team consists of several lawyers (38) to lobby the federal government for almost a million and half dollars, of those at least ten were former federal lobbyist that have now pledge to raise over three million dollars for Mr. hypocrite. He uses lobbyist when it works for him and declares their demise when it works for him. Sounds like a bad marriage.
This is one of many examples of hypocrisy that I am referring to and this is current and plentiful on [bold]both sides[bold] of the party, making our political system a joke and at this point Kim Kardashion should just run.
Money is the vein of this country and the infection of our world.
It controls, regulates, and presents itself as the be all end all. It ignites marriages, causes divorces, ensues wars, and destroys the idealism's of what we should be about. It now has taken over our political agendas to the point of no return.
It won't matter if Obama's intention are notable because at the end of the day when his term is over someone else will be placed in the brothel we call the oval office and **** everything up yet again.
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"we the little people" is who runs this world, take every CEO scum bag, hang and quarter them for the towns people to see. What do you have left but the little people. We should have much more influence than we do in the political sector.
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Corribus
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posted July 14, 2012 11:01 PM |
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Money is the vein of this country and the infection of our world.
It controls, regulates, and presents itself as the be all end all. It ignites marriages, causes divorces, ensues wars, and destroys the idealism's of what we should be about. It now has taken over our political agendas to the point of no return.
Money does none of those things. Rather, human nature does. Money is just a kind of lubrication that lets the wheels of commerce spin with less friction. People killed, divorced, tortured, and did all kinds of evil unto each other long before any global economy existed.
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violent_flower
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posted July 14, 2012 11:16 PM |
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I understand what your saying but I feel it really has become the staple that turns the world at this point, and maybe from the beginning of time as you say. I just feel too many things revolve around it. This is a topic for another thread and I will grant you such thread when I return from the gun range. Hi Corribus I missed you!
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xerox
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posted July 15, 2012 12:37 AM |
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I think all hatred against capitalism is weird.
Okay, so let's see what reduced world povery by 50% in like 30 years.
Communism: Killed millions of people.
Conservatism: I heard there's a lot of progress made in like Afghanistan and Tibet.
Ecologism: your demand for drugs screwed up a lot of things
Nationalism: Has also killed a lot of people.
Socialism: Most countries benefit from some socialism, but fully socialist countries never work.
Liberalism + Capitalism: Globalization and the free market has hugely reduced world poverty and made the world much less divided and more peaceful. A lot of the good things we have today, we can thank liberalism for and to a lesser degree, socialism (if you live in Europe)
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted July 15, 2012 01:12 AM |
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A lot of the good things we have today
Define 'good'.
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xerox
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posted July 15, 2012 02:47 AM |
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free healthcare
rich countries
no serious poverty
less crime
more possibilities
free education
free and healthy school meals
many more civil rights such as democracy and allowing women and normal people to vote there
good social security (meaning that you won't die of starvation if you lose your job)
there's a lot of good stuff that are results of moderate liberalism and socialism
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Over himself, over his own
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Corribus
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The Abyss Staring Back at You
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posted July 15, 2012 03:13 AM |
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Since when is healthcare and such free? Wait, I've been through this before with you haven't I?
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justjoe
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posted July 15, 2012 03:16 AM |
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Obama claims he is doing away with lobbyist however his fundraising team consists of several lawyers (38) to lobby the federal government for almost a million and half dollars, of those at least ten were former federal lobbyist that have now pledge to raise over three million dollars for Mr. hypocrite. He uses lobbyist when it works for him and declares their demise when it works for him. Sounds like a bad marriage.
Unfortunately, if you want to play this game you do have to play it in a way that gives you the oppurtunity to remain competitive.
The only real way to change this situation for the ultimate better, is to get the money out of politics. Public funding only. Not sure how that would break down in the earlier races. But, once you get to the finalists, they all get the same amount of money and the same amount of free (to them) television/radio face time.
He is trying to curb the situation. He has put tougher limits on what lobbyists are allowed to do within his own administration.
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Money is the vein of this country and the infection of our world.
The persuit power creates evil (wealth is one of the main components of power).
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It won't matter if Obama's intention are notable...
Baby steps. However, it will likely get worse before it gets better.
Throughout history, democracies have only lasted about 200 years. We are at 237. We've slipped into a form of fascism here as it is.
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"we the little people" is who runs this world,
This is what were led to believe. But, the wealthy and connected are most definately have much more power than you or I do(assuming you are not in those catagories).
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Careful what you wish for, here. There are benefits to these people being here. And, they have been leaving the country in bigger numbers than have been coming in, lately.
@Xerox
Capitalism = good.
Unfettered, unregulated capitalism = bad.
Moderate is the key. Both in Politics, and in economics.
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xerox
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posted July 15, 2012 03:18 AM |
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I KNEW you would react, Corribus. xD
It's free for the individual and that's what matters the most.
And also, a lot wellfare countries including Sweden have a much lower and/or faster decreasing debt than the US. So there's really not a connection between giving your citizens basic tools to survive and a bad economy.
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violent_flower
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posted July 15, 2012 04:28 AM |
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Unfortunately, if you want to play this game you do have to play it in a way that gives you the oppurtunity to remain competitive.
The only real way to change this situation for the ultimate better, is to get the money out of politics. Public funding only. Not sure how that would break down in the earlier races. But, once you get to the finalists, they all get the same amount of money and the same amount of free (to them) television/radio face time.
He is trying to curb the situation. He has put tougher limits on what lobbyists are allowed to do within his own administration.Quote:
I agree and applaud the idea of getting the monetary benefits down to zero. It is a service and should only be a service that one does for the betterment of the country they live in. He is trying to cover up his hypocrisy by "curbing" the situation, *ducking behind table*
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**smiling with mini skirt on and promptly putting on her steel toed **** kickers***
You want to Establishment residency here, fine, you so far have the right to do so. However when you are referring to them coming over and doing the following that is where I would have to kick you overboard with them.
We need to have a solid foundation here first before exerting our resources and government programs to illegals. They take low paying low level jobs that could go to our college children or teenagers that are trying to establish a work history. They come here and purchase SS numbers from businesses that keep them on file and off the street therefor assuming the identity of someone else.
When and if one commits a crime here convicting them eats up our resources and its harder to get a conviction.
They attend our schools taking grant and scholarship money away from the legal immigrants that reside here. The list goes on and is quite exhausting to say the least.
I am not saying that they are all bad people or criminals with ill intent however again we must do what we can to have them go through the system and for god sake force them to speak the language fluently and without hesitation.
I have been turned down for jobs because I was not bilingual, BS is what that is. I live in a English speaking country for Christ sake, you will deny me a hospital billing job because "Maria" can better communicate with the Spanish speaking population than I can even though I am more qualified. Its a safety hazard in our work places and uncalled for.
If I go live over there I learn the language fully and this goes for any immigrant that comes here legally or not. Oh and our wonderful African Americans that insist on speaking there oh so eloquent Ebonics, poke me with an infected needle please.
@Xerox
Capitalism = good.
Unfettered, unregulated capitalism = bad.
Moderate is the key. Both in Politics, and in economics.
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violent_flower
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posted July 15, 2012 05:02 AM |
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@ X
Free health care and government programs that don't have the funds to back them is not basic survival. It may seem that way but at the end of this very long road you have to thin the herd.In nature when one is weaker they die, that is just how it is. I know that we supersede the animal kingdom but we still are animals.
We can't save everyone because everyone is not willing to put forth the same concern nor finances to do so. It's unfortunate for you if your not born into wealth or have the intelligence and means to survive.
What one considers surviving is different from another. If I have to support you with lets say food stamps then I get to decide for you that you will eat minimally and only to satisfy your need to sustain life. Therefore if your five hundred pounds and on food stamps sorry but you will be **** out of luck.
If I help clothes you then the Good Will is where your attire will come from and you will not snow about equal anything.Though as our society has played out with the media and fame everyone feel entitled now more than ever. We are talking Little House on the Prairie days here, surviving is not frauding the broken system while driving your Cadi around. Let's consider what we really need, if you are distraught should you have cable tv, Nike shoes, nice car, and vacations. **** no you shouldn't, not on my dime or the dime of our society as a whole. So let's break down really what is surviving.
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Corribus
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posted July 15, 2012 07:25 AM |
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You've got to know how ridiculous that sounds.
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violent_flower
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posted July 15, 2012 07:37 AM |
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It's free for the individual and that's what matters the most.
You've got to know how ridiculous that sounds.
Wow that is probably the most insane thing I have heard to date. It's free for the individual. Can you hold on for a second please....................???????????????....................Ok, here you go, I found it, the idiot decoder pen, I will mail it to you ASAP. Holy **** I can't believe that you are really saying that and mean it.
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