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Thread: US Presidential Race 2012 [ This thread is 59 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 (6) 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 ]
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posted July 14, 2011 12:12 PM

Bachman gaining in GOP polls.

god help us

And for a funnier take,

thank god for comedy


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posted July 14, 2011 03:10 PM
Edited by Elodin at 15:12, 14 Jul 2011.

If Palin and Perry (both undeclared candidates) had not been listed in the polls Bachmann would have won. Like I said before, the Tea Party will determine the Republican candidate and the next President of the US.

Also, Ron Paul had said he will not be running for reelection to his Senate seat. I think he may very well be on the Republican ticket for VP when everything is sorted out. Paul has stated earlier this year that he will NOT run as a third party candidate for president.
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posted July 14, 2011 06:28 PM

I doubt Bachmann will get the nomination. She's too boring. She may be smarter than Palin, but once people see more of her, they're going to lose interest.

And Paul (who is a member of the House, not the Senate, BTW) will never accept the VP position from any of the other Republican candidates (except perhaps Johnson).
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posted July 15, 2011 10:39 AM
Edited by Shyranis at 10:42, 15 Jul 2011.

All of the more popular candidates are big spenders thatg like to pretend to be anti-deficit. But despite saying they focus on the economy they push religious laws instead of really trying to create jobs, reduce deficit, etc.

Paul wouldn't accept somebody whose actions speak far louder than their words.

Edit: I also doubt he'd get the nomination.


Bachman also doesn't have much in the way of support from independants to actually win the presidency if she gets the nomination. That's the problem with the Republican position, the ones who have the best chance to get the presidency are also among the least likely to get the nomination.
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posted July 29, 2011 06:35 PM
Edited by Elodin at 18:46, 29 Jul 2011.

Obama's job approval rating hits new low. Independents continue to forsake Obama. A portent of his doom in the next election.

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President Obama's job approval rating has dropped to a new low of 40 percent, according to the Gallup daily tracking poll.

The White House has worked double-time to get Americans to agree with their assertion that Republicans are to blame for the current debt ceiling impasse, but this new number shows the message doesn't seem to be resonating. Congress - and leaders John Boehner and Harry Reid - aren't getting good marks either.

As recently as the beginning of June, President Obama's approval was at 50 percent. It has been consistently falling since mid-July.

Perhaps a more telling number is Obama's falling favor amongst independents. Only 34 percent approve of the job he is doing. That's down 7 percent from three weeks ago.



The House will soon be voting on a balanced budget amendment but Obama has promised to veto it if it passes.


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posted July 29, 2011 06:55 PM

The only problem is that "Generic Republican" kicks him to the curb in polls, but the specific pool of candidates always loses to him... the Republicans need to find somebody that gels with independants because the people who are fleeing Obama aren't exactly signing up for for any republican candidates. It's pathetic, the independants are going to stay home more and more and the election will be further decided by the party faithful as the two parties try to polarize their bases more.
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posted July 29, 2011 06:57 PM

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Obama's job approval rating hits new low. Independents continue to forsake Obama. A portent of his doom in the next election.

Provided GOP can find a moderate to attract them.  So far no go.
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posted July 29, 2011 07:49 PM
Edited by Elodin at 19:51, 29 Jul 2011.

There are still several Republicans who may run who have not yet announced. I think it likely that whoever it is that ends up as the Republican party nominee will draw more independent support than Obama gets. And it is highly unlikely to be a RINO. My state's governor, Rick Perry is very possibly going to run and he leads Romney in the South even though he has not announced that he is running. The number of candidates the Tea Party favors who are in the race is the only reason Romney has lead in the Republican polls. Romney will not be the party nominee.

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PRINCETON, NJ -- Registered voters by a significant margin now say they are more likely to vote for the "Republican Party's candidate for president" than for President Barack Obama in the 2012 election, 47% to 39%. Preferences had been fairly evenly divided this year in this test of Obama's re-election prospects.


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posted July 30, 2011 03:13 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 15:15, 30 Jul 2011.

I'll start caring about the presidential race again after we find out if the U.S. undergoes a voluntary default on August 2nd.
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posted July 31, 2011 10:54 PM

Looks like the fools have come to an agreement.

Now we get to watch those idiots congratulate themselves on a job well done.
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posted July 31, 2011 11:00 PM

Well at least with all that drama they accomplished something.

Oh, wait.
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posted August 01, 2011 08:42 AM
Edited by OmegaDestroyer at 15:18, 01 Aug 2011.

Now I'm left wondering how budget cuts are going to impact Legal Services.

The White House take on it.

Can anybody find anything meaningful in the above link?  It just looks like a lot worthless rhetoric to me.
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posted August 01, 2011 02:06 PM

Your link is screwy.
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posted August 01, 2011 03:18 PM

Fixed it.
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posted August 01, 2011 03:20 PM
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Can anybody find anything meaningful in the above link?  It just looks like a lot worthless rhetoric to me.



Seems to me that it says "We won't cut defense spending even if that is the one thing that will doom us"
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posted August 02, 2011 12:39 PM

Democrats, Republicans Celebrate Pitiful Excuse For Common Ground


Shame that no tax loopholes were cut. Huge businesses get to get huge cuts still while small businesses that can't afford to dodge their taxes get the most burden as far as corporate taxes go.

At least it includes the possibility of considering entitlement and tax reform.

Either way, the GOP still needs somebody who will attract the independants that Obama would otherwise pick up if it runs an extremist.
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posted August 02, 2011 12:48 PM
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President authorized to increase the debt limit by at least $2.1 trillion, eliminating the need for further increases until 2013.


Okay, maybe I'm just stupid and I really haven't spent too much time watching the news, me being kind of sick the way some things are run and all, but to me it seems that this debt is never going to get paid and that the American politicians are just pushing away the day (which is just two years further down the line from now) when the debt collectors show up at their house with pruning shears for their digits, and Russia, China  and the Middle East on their coat tails who own this nation at the moment of pay-day (they have treasury bonds, say it ain't so.)

Because all that happens is increase the debt and debt rate, as far as I understand it to be.

Is there any hope for, like, a more permanent solution to this problem or is the US of A going to drown in its political stagnation?

Or am I just horribly, horribly wrong and living in lala-land? Can someone tell me I live in lala-land?
Come on, this is the OSM, people love to tell each other they're wrong here, all the time.
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posted August 02, 2011 12:58 PM

The problem is that we need to cut spending.  The big fight is over what gets cut.  The obvious areas, such as Social Security (It's true.  There's so much fraud with the SSA it's a joke) and Defense, people don't want to touch because it will tick off their constituency.  

If politicians were more concerned about doing what is right (whatever that is in politics) instead of self-preservation, perhaps we might make progress.
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posted August 02, 2011 07:48 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 20:09, 02 Aug 2011.

2 of the smaller credit rating agencies went ahead and gave the US a downgrade due to the game of chicken leading up to August 2nd. I was guessing all along that the parties would delay it till the last few days to try to make the deal more in their favor, but I have to admit I was getting a little antsy when it still wasn't resolved on Saturday. Hillary Clinton was already saying a week before that a deal would be safely struck one way or another to avoid a default, though I imagine that was her dropping some good PR for investors rather than necessarily having inside information.

It looks like the next confrontation will be further down the road, past the election time. I sincerely hope that this debt battle remains a major talking point during the debate; the entire premise for raising the debt ceiling again (in my view) was to buy some extra time before the spending can start going on a downward path. If that doesn't happen, frankly, I might prefer a voluntary default in order to sober everybody up to the issue.  

Anyway, the debt issue is far from unsolvable. Some steps have already been taken with this deal, though more will need to be done during the next showdown. What was happening these past few weeks was the threat of a voluntary default: a matter of won't pay rather than can't pay, because the legislature was so fiercely split between raising taxes vs cutting spending, and there was a risk of no deal being struck by August 2nd, which would have meant that there would have been insufficient legally allocated funds for the federal government to write all of its checks. It only had enough money before the deal was struck to pay about 44% of its monthly bills, and a default, whether a genuine default a just a technical default, would have meant higher interests rates on the debt and a global economic ****storm.  
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posted August 02, 2011 08:51 PM

It's really quite simple.

End or at least curtail entitlements.
Reform (that is, simplify) the tax code.
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