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posted February 21, 2011 03:09 PM |
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Confusion
Mass Confusion basically renders an enemy army incapable of retaliating, and shooting at expert level.
If you've no way to dispel it, I think you're pretty much screwed for final battle.
I find it the most powerful or imbalanced (either way) level 3 spell in the entire game. Not even some level 5 spells are as lowdown as this.
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Elvin
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posted February 21, 2011 03:16 PM |
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Kinda depends but it's a powerful one for certain. Downside is that it cannot affect a ballista and that there are a number of counters to it. Also if the enemy's damage output is high (possibly with luck/morale) while yours low it won't stop them from slaughtering you.
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ambidext
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posted February 21, 2011 03:37 PM |
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Well if the enemy's level and armies are leagues above yours of course nothing would save you other than a retreat.
I'm saying it that spell alone can make it possible to turn the tide of battle even if the enemy size is significantly (but reasonably) larger than yours.
Just a single spell, if you're unable to counter. Kinda nasty. What other ways to counter other than Mass Dispel?
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intelligence
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posted February 21, 2011 04:37 PM |
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with frenzy and puppet master you can kill armies that are 100 times stronger than yours
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ambidext
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posted February 21, 2011 05:32 PM |
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That only works against AI.
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Elvin
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posted February 21, 2011 09:39 PM |
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Reason I do not consider it THAT overpowered is because its effectiveness pretty much depends against who you are playing. Haven can easily cleanse it with paladins/hero, add the possibility for split paladins and empathy. Academy can also cleanse but may not even need to depending on their build. Fortress has light/rune of exorcism/dwarven resistance. Dungeon can fry you anyway. Orcs will not mind much. Inferno falls easily could have trouble and so could sylvan but they still have unicorn's resistance aura. Get magic resistance and it's 45% chance to fail.
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DoubleDeck
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posted February 23, 2011 02:16 PM |
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Yeah, and if you fighting against Necro then confusion is a waste of time as they are undead.
The only time I would go with confusion is with the demon hero, Alastor, but even he is the worst demon hero to use.....
You never quite certain how mass confusion will turn out, but a spell like mass slow you are 100% certain it'll work.
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Elvin
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posted February 23, 2011 02:26 PM |
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Actually if you have Sandro's cloak mass confusion is absolutely amazing against necro  Or academy for that matter.
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mike80d
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posted February 23, 2011 02:29 PM |
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Actually if you have Sandro's cloak mass confusion is absolutely amazing against necro Or academy for that matter.
You banned that artifact on the tournament map, right?
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Elvin
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posted February 23, 2011 02:38 PM |
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Yeah, all relics in fact. I did not want artifacts giving too high bonuses, rechargable mana, immunities or ways to bypass them since that can mess with the balance.
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mike80d
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posted February 23, 2011 03:27 PM |
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I swear, 1/2 the time I see hypnotize used in that map it has 0 effect on the creature's initiative. Gets frustrating/cheesy.
But back on topic - Mass Confusion to me is quite OP, but the only saving grace is that there's some other mass spells that are equally as OP IMO. Still, I don't like 1 spell instantly taking out all(most) of your ranged, and preventing all retaliation. Much the same way I don't like 1 spell taking control of your most powerful creature, which then demolishes your other creatures. It just seems to take away from the spirit of the game, which is to utilize your troops and tactics the best. I don't play the game to watch someone else control my army.
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Necro-Mutant
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posted February 23, 2011 05:44 PM |
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well but those spells r part of the game ..
the real challenge is to build up a hero that is most suitable to the opponent. a hero that has the right defences againts the advantages of the rivel.
for example i just finished a fight againts Nocturnal. He was academy and i was dungoun. i had Elemntal Balance and he casted the Phinix summon. that made a summoning of another Phinix who was under my control and a little stronger =)
anyway ... i think there is quite balance between spells and action and all that things.
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Elvin
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posted February 23, 2011 06:15 PM |
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Umm no there isn't. Some schools are awesome, others situational.
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mike80d
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posted February 24, 2011 03:52 AM |
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Umm no there isn't. Some schools are awesome, others situational.
For the most part, 'mass' anything is pretty much super-happy-fun-time. I just used mass confusion on my friend about 30 minutes ago and it was an enormous game changer 
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ebbafan
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posted February 24, 2011 07:29 PM |
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mass confusion is great if you plan to go head to head with your opponent, but you need good defensive skills for this if your opponent has high attack: prep/AA/Exp Def/etc.
it has no direct mass counter, mass cleansing is the best your opponent can do and its an area effect spell
i find it very useful necro vs haven because of the following:
all haven's units are susceptible
2 of haven's units are archers
negates counterstrike racial ability
negates griffin's unlimited retaliation
sure the knight can cast mass cleansing, but you will outlast and outcast him eventually
and paladins can cleanse this, but wouldn't you rather they do that than nail your units?
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zaio-baio
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posted February 24, 2011 08:47 PM |
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pfff Ebba, if you think that confusion can stop lategame haven or sylvan ... and when exactly are you going to cast it ? if you cast it first turn, and haven/sylvan hero casts mass righeous ?
mass confusion is a great thing to cast vs a might faction, but only if u have previously casted mass endurance, the main problem in this case is that u spend a whole turn for it ...
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ebbafan
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posted February 24, 2011 09:10 PM |
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Edited by ebbafan at 21:10, 24 Feb 2011.
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hi z-b, i like to cast mass slow, then mass confusion(remember mass spells take only half a turn) or vice versa depending on opponent atb
you don't need to cast mass endurance right at the beginning. your army should be significantly larger than haven's so that you can outlast him. if you have kaspar or orson or lucretia with defense you can easily crush haven up to mid-game, especially if you have vampirism. AI kaspar killed me easily even when i had stormwind. too many creatures and dark spells to deal with
late game haven would give anyone problems. the only way necro could compete late game would be to have a dark knight with vampirism lead their forces
sylvan has a powerful first strike, but they do not have high attack
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Fauch
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posted February 25, 2011 12:50 AM |
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Edited by Fauch at 00:52, 25 Feb 2011.
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the worst thing about mass spell may be that you spend only half a turn to cast them. and it makes no sense, why does it take less time to buff a whole army rather than only a stack?
if it took a whole turn, there could be more strategy. should I poison those 2 stacks, or only the strongest one, knowing that in that case, I benefit from the sorcery bonus?
right now it's a no brainer, if you cast mass haste, it costs you half a turn and 8 mana to buff an army. with haste spell, it would cost 28 mana and 4.9 turns with sorcery...
also, the cost is pretty low (except dispel, it's expensive like hell) but if you make it higher, it can be a disadvantage for some factions 
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Jabanoss
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posted February 25, 2011 12:54 AM |
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You see Fauch mass spells is pretty much like nuclear bombing something, it's easy to do and you just need to push a button.
However if you want a specific target destroyed you have to set complicated operations in motion and that my friend isn't easy. :/
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ambidext
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posted March 08, 2011 05:30 AM |
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If there was a "like" button in this forum, where's where I "like" your post Jabanoss.
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