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posted April 05, 2011 11:05 PM |
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Long story. After running away from biology (aka the worst failure of my time), I found myself at pretty nasty situation. Either the army (it was mandatory in Poland then, now it's not, army is professional nowadays) or Warsaw Tech. That's because my father works here and could get me added to the lists (they were already closed).
Needless to say I chose Warsaw Tech...
First year was actually cool and I stayed... which I soon found a mistake... should've quit and study something else. But well, stupid me.
Very cool,good to see a snowulty gone good.Funny,I am facing the same problems as you do except in the opposite manner.I love biology but am studying Computer science.I find math extremely boring and pointless.
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Hmm.
I would ANYTIME prefer being a cashier in a supermarket for 300 €/month than making something for a couple of years that would bore me to death for eventually MAYBE earning 500 € and maybe being unemployed.
The supermarket will, since you are probably more intelligent than the average supermarket worker, enable you to advabce through the ranks to market manager and later even to something like county manager.
It is silly to follow through with something that depresses you to become and do something that depresses you.
Its not that easy.If somebody were to choose such a "Disgraceful"job,family would look down upon him/her.Faculty is a must but the greater problem is that through all that stupid effort to earn a degree,your future is still endangered by unemployment.
Basically reality in balkans,although Poland is not in balkans,it seems to be simmilar in cultural manners.
What most annoys me is that some degrees offer more oppurtunities than others,ie philosophy is worthless in balkans while CS,Businnes-Economy and Medicine,are very high earning.
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posted April 05, 2011 11:25 PM |
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Excuses, excuses.
By the way, when it comes to what pays, Balkan ain't different from any other part of Europe including Germany.
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posted April 05, 2011 11:28 PM |
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Since we're already Offtoping..
JJ, how much does a typical bureau employee earn in Germany?
20 years, not much experience, simple tasks (excel, outlook, etc)
in Poland it's 400-500euro.
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posted April 05, 2011 11:34 PM |
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Biology sounds a lot more interesting than logistics. What happened?
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posted April 05, 2011 11:37 PM |
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It does?
I personally know 3 guys that started in biology and changed majors because according to them it's a field for people that enjoy beating off to rote memorization. One switched to physics (now that's a fun science) and the other two went into computer fields.
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posted April 05, 2011 11:58 PM |
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Since we're already Offtoping..
JJ, how much does a typical bureau employee earn in Germany?
20 years, not much experience, simple tasks (excel, outlook, etc)
in Poland it's 400-500euro.
Depends on whether he's divorced or not and has children. If he's divorced with two children, the ex just aducating the children, he can earn as much as he wants, when it comes to what he KEEPS, it's below 1000 €, what's considered the bare minimum.
See, when I was in Budapest this year, I could get into a bar and buy an alcoholic drink of a known brand, say, a Vodka for 0.60 €. In Germany I pay 4-5 times that sum.
In Germany gasoline is 50% more expensive, cigarettes, nearly as much. Rent? Dont' ask.
In Germany, go to a dingy Italian Restaurant, order a pizza and a glas of wine, and you pay 15 €.
Where does that leave you in Poland?
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posted April 06, 2011 12:03 AM |
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When I was in France last year you couldn't get a lunch for two people (I mean, simple lunch, like sandwich and drink) for less than 20 euros (30 bucks or so US). Ridiculous prices. Of course the food was outrageously delicious, so I guess it balances out. 
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I don't know about the scholarships. But if you'd like I can look into it. What, graduate level? What subject?
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posted April 06, 2011 12:04 AM |
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Isn't Germany a rent-based culture? The prices can't be that bad.
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posted April 06, 2011 12:05 AM |
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If somebody were to choose such a "Disgraceful"job,family would look down upon him/her.
your family? it wouldn't be a problem with mine (well, except maybe if you want to work in porn lol)
I guess it is more likely to be the case if your family is in the upper classe.
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Long story. After running away from biology (aka the worst failure of my time), I found myself at pretty nasty situation. Either the army (it was mandatory in Poland then, now it's not, army is professional nowadays) or Warsaw Tech. That's because my father works here and could get me added to the lists (they were already closed).
you had not the choice to just sit home? well, I know that for many people it sounds like wasted time when you should be studying, but personnally I didn't had the choice, I didn't have the "right" personnality to be formed as a professionnal.
anyway, the point is you do not have to sit home doing nothing, you can learn whatever you want, however you want.
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When I was in France last year you couldn't get a lunch for two people (I mean, simple lunch, like sandwich and drink) for less than 20 euros (30 bucks or so US). Ridiculous prices. Of course the food was outrageously delicious, so I guess it balances out
where were you? where I live you can buy 2 sandwiches for 5€, and I'm not talking about the cheapest choice. but when I was in Paris, it was like 4-5 times more expensive.
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posted April 06, 2011 12:23 AM |
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Isn't Germany a rent-based culture? The prices can't be that bad.
They are worse. Trust me on that one.
Just check an item you'd like to buy and compare prices at amazon or ebay Germany.
Food? Vegetables? Fruit? The typical price for a kg of APPLES is 2 €. I mean TWO EUROS. For a bloody kilo of apples. Strawberrys... Lat year the going rate for a kilo was FIVE €. In season.
Meat? If you go to a serious butcher and not to a discounter, steak varies, depending on sort and quality between 30 and 50 €.
Bread: a 750 g bread from a baker costs around 2,50 €, a simple ROLL is at 28 Cents, a Croissant is moving to 1 € fast.
Any questions?
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posted April 06, 2011 12:30 AM |
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Sounds like Sweden, oh only that we don't have Euro ofc...
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posted April 06, 2011 12:31 AM |
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I know food is expensive, I meant the cost of rent.
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posted April 06, 2011 03:23 AM |
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where were you?
Paris.
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posted April 06, 2011 05:10 AM |
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It does?
I personally know 3 guys that started in biology and changed majors because according to them it's a field for people that enjoy beating off to rote memorization. One switched to physics (now that's a fun science) and the other two went into computer fields.
I know one guy who started in biology and switched to CS after he found out he really likes CS and was mediocre at Bio. And a bunch of the Bio people at my college switched to Neuro when a Neuro department was created. There are still many people doing Bio, but most of them are pre-med.
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posted April 06, 2011 09:26 AM |
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I know food is expensive, I meant the cost of rent.
Depends on whether you want to live or vegetate. Generally, relatively spoken, small flats are more expensive than bigger ones, and a lot depends on region in general and neighborhood. Flats are cheaper in regions with higher unemployment, and more expensive in areas with a good economy (maximizing your job chances).
Living alone, you will go for a smaller 2-room flat and aim to be done with 400 € WARM, that is, including water, electricity and so on. This may vary for region. Students in the "better" university cities like Bonn, Münster, Tübingen and so on pay a fortune for rent space, and the general rent level there is incredibly high. That is true for high-living-quality cities like Munich as well (however, jobs pay betetr as well there, even though for a man, divorced, two children, that is of no importance).
Anyway, back to the topic.
I simply don't like people who do stuff because they have to do SOMETHING, but hate what they do, with the only reason doing it is the promise of a decent wage. There are too many of those in responsible positions, doctors, lawyers, politicians, you name it, and things are so much better when people actually are satisfied with what they do - that is true for cashiers as well, which everyone knows who is served by sulky people.
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Seraphim
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posted April 06, 2011 03:53 PM |
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I simply don't like people who do stuff because they have to do SOMETHING, but hate what they do, with the only reason doing it is the promise of a decent wage. There are too many of those in responsible positions, doctors, lawyers, politicians, you name it, and things are so much better when people actually are satisfied with what they do - that is true for cashiers as well, which everyone knows who is served by sulky people.
You are right,but with something like 150 euros for a cashier...
Secondly,people have to do something or else they end up in roads.
It is better to commit suicide then end up in roads or as a cashier for life.A future of poverty is not wanted by anyone.
Despite all of this,if you ever choose to visit balkans,you would see some pretty cars even porsches,pretty girls(as like all of them are prostitutes),and so on.Obviously,you would not think that you came in an under-developed country.
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Funny,that only constitutes some people,a "Minority", and their wives,brothers,sisters,aunts,uncles,babysitters(who also happens to be in a family bound)and friends,friends of friends,friends of friends of friends of friends and so on.
Nepotism & Cronyism are your only friends.
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This is one of the reasons.Though, how people got able to buy nice cars,send their children to study in UK in cambridge or oxford is beyond my understanding.In fact,I believe people in balkans do probably live a better life then somebody in europe.I mean,does anybody in europe have that much money to afford Cambridge?
Nevertheless,if you ever visit,Skopje,Belgrade,Pristina or some other Capital,dont be surprized by some nice prices you otherwise would not expect.
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JollyJoker
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posted April 06, 2011 04:20 PM |
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I simply don't like people who do stuff because they have to do SOMETHING, but hate what they do, with the only reason doing it is the promise of a decent wage. There are too many of those in responsible positions, doctors, lawyers, politicians, you name it, and things are so much better when people actually are satisfied with what they do - that is true for cashiers as well, which everyone knows who is served by sulky people.
You are right,but with something like 150 euros for a cashier...
Secondly,people have to do something or else they end up in roads.
It is better to commit suicide then end up in roads or as a cashier for life.A future of poverty is not wanted by anyone.
I think, that this is a lot of bull. You are disrespectful against cashiers and lots of others without whom the wheels of society wouldn't turn.
You don't get rich by envying others, and you won't have a happy life just because you have a couple of Euros more ech month. If yu are stuck with a job you hate, you will do th bare minimum of what is necessary, and less with time, and since you won't be rich enough to stop working altogether you will hate what you do, hate your life and what has become of it, and start to regret you didn't do something else.
The only reason to do something you hate is the promise - the realistic chance to do it for a very limited time span, after hich you will be able to do something else or nothing at all (since you have earned enough for the rest of your life).
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posted May 07, 2011 03:01 PM |
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Just wondering if you'd mind updating, doom? How did the bachelor presentation go? What are you doing now? How are you?
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posted May 09, 2011 05:13 PM |
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Well, I'm still stoned, I'm afraid.  My addiction is running rampant. And with the Witcher 2 near...
I have a new plan tho. The games suck me up for a while, after which I complete them/get bored and jump to another one - I got a list of all games I haven't finished to complete. After that I will not get any new games at all. Without any new "jumps", the addiction should slowly dissipate without radical moves like banning gaming.
Well, it's at least worth a try. I'm not ready to deal with full abstinence.
My presentation is progressing, I'm around 50 pages now and should be able to finish it within 2 weeks.
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posted May 09, 2011 05:25 PM |
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My presentation is progressing, I'm around 50 pages now and should be able to finish it within 2 weeks.
Good to hear!
Well, whatever solution suits you best.
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