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Fauch
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posted April 30, 2011 04:14 AM |
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the 2 town screens are different... on one of them, trees on the foreground are bigger, light seems to be different, the sky also.
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SoilBurn
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BurnsSoil
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posted April 30, 2011 09:40 AM |
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the 2 town screens are different... on one of them, trees on the foreground are bigger, light seems to be different, the sky also.
And that my friend is exactly what happens when you try to squeeze too much awesomeness in a stinking town window.
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted April 30, 2011 10:46 AM |
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@War-overlord
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And I indeed said that the town-window is a step backwards on page 18.
Also mind that "A step backwards" does not equal bad.
And I never said townwindows are good.
However I Am Not Against townwindows.
In your confusing opinion town windows are step back, but that isn't bad and they are not good but you are not against it. Got it... 
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MrDragon
Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
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posted April 30, 2011 11:02 AM |
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Either that or he simply doesn't care, try that explenation.
We get it, you don't like him and you think he's confusing.
Back on topic:
I think part of why the trees are a different size and in a slightly different position is part of the 2.5D thing they were saying.
They were talking about animating it afterall, one way to achieve this is to have multiple 2D images overlap and slide to create the illusion of perspective.
You see it a lot in 3D games that use 2D sprites, it's a very simple but effective way to show depth.
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mancubus
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posted April 30, 2011 11:20 AM |
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@War-overlord
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And I indeed said that the town-window is a step backwards on page 18.
Also mind that "A step backwards" does not equal bad.
And I never said townwindows are good.
However I Am Not Against townwindows.
In your confusing opinion town windows are step back, but that isn't bad and they are not good but you are not against it. Got it...
Hehe. We are on a fantasy-forum, so maybe it doesn't have to make sense or be reasonably consistant. Let's just try to accept his manifestation as an indication of his creative freedom 
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted April 30, 2011 12:48 PM |
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@ Darklord:
I am aware that you do not consider me a troll, but others like Dark-Whisperer and mancubus do.
And I never claimed to agree with every decision. But I do want to see the workings of such decisions before I pass judgement. And I consider outrage and making claims of insult and disregard of "the fans/public" inconstructive.
@ mancubus:
I know you never accused me of liking them, but Dark-Whisperer did.
And once again you rephrase me wrong.
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Town windows may be a step backwards, but you really should get used to it because it's a new feature which Ubihole has every right to implement.
This part is correct. However I do not consider everyone who oposes it whiny losers. I do see you as bitter, which you have every right to be. But that bitterness may blind some of the protesters. And perhaps you and perhaps others seem to resent me for not sharing that bitterness.
Also I consider this jump on the barricades for townscreens a lost battle. I do not expect to see screens before a future expansion(which would be a more worthy cause in my opinion).
Whatever concessions are to be made now and in the future will never be enough. Because the idea of changing townscreens has enraged some of you so much that even if you get them back, there are those who will resent ubisoft into the infinity for having the daring to try and change the townscreens.
And even if I thought this battle was not lost, I do not consider this issue enough to warrant all the outrage.
And I do accept that others are more orthodox in their opinions of what makes Heroes great and what they consider vital.
But that will not stop me from being a voice that deviates from that view, even if I only represent myself.
@ Dark-Whisperer
Yes I consider town-windows a step backwards. But that step is not far enough backwards, for me at the least, to consider them bad. And mind that better is a step backwards from best, but it is still more than good.
And as I consider them not bad enough to warrant my oposition, I will not oppose them or be against it.
And if you find this confusing, then I pray you will not tangle in politics.
@ Mr.Dragon
I do care, but not enough to warrant such outrage or even oposition.
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Fauch
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted April 30, 2011 05:59 PM |
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I think part of why the trees are a different size and in a slightly different position is part of the 2.5D thing they were saying.
They were talking about animating it afterall, one way to achieve this is to have multiple 2D images overlap and slide to create the illusion of perspective.
You see it a lot in 3D games that use 2D sprites, it's a very simple but effective way to show depth.
yeah, I guessed that, and it might be the reason why lights and sky are different on both screenshots. but the size of the trees suggests that some part of the image is actually scalable? like they actually made a fullscreen image of that pyramide, and then scaled it down to fit the window??
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MrDragon
Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
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posted April 30, 2011 06:26 PM |
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I don't see how the tree is bigger actually, it just is in a different place compared to the main building, like the perspective shifted.
I do think they designed the graphics on a much larger scale then cropped it down, polished it up a bit and figured out it's standard dimensions, but that's how almost all digital art is made.
The light differences are just part of the animation, remember, they said it would be animated.
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SoilBurn
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BurnsSoil
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posted May 03, 2011 07:45 PM |
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So, the new Q&A explaining the game delay is out, no single word on new town screens.
I am getting veeeeery bad vibes 
From the Q&A:
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All our play-tests show the game has a huge potential, but needs extra-time to correct a few flaws.
So there had been discussions between the Heroes production team at Ubisoft and the development team at Black Hole and we all agreed we want H6 to be great and to be the “flagship” for all that’s to come in the Might & Magic brand.
I hope the town screens are one of those 'flaws', otherwise I fear that fans will bombard the 'flagship' with complaints until it sinks
(assumming that the members of these forums are in some - remotely statictically relevant - way representative of the HOMM series player base)
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Fauch
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted May 03, 2011 08:44 PM |
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Words and words and words 
seriously, they aren't going to say : "the game sucks so far, we don't give a damn about it, we all agreed to make it as bland and forgettable as possible, but we are trying to fool you by telling you it's going to be the greatest game ever"
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brukernavn
Hero of Order
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posted May 03, 2011 08:51 PM |
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I think it might come sometime, but I somehow doubt that we'll have full town screens with the release. If that is the case, I'm sure it will affect the reviews.
The reviewer at gamer.no mentioned the town windows as one of the negative aspects when he tested the game, although he was mostly positive. That's also what got the greatest attention in the comments to the article. So it's clear that not only a small core of heroes players care about this.
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chimthegrim
Adventuring Hero
That guy ...
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posted May 03, 2011 09:27 PM |
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So, the new Q&A explaining the game delay is out, no single word on new town screens.
I am getting veeeeery bad vibes
From the Q&A:
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All our play-tests show the game has a huge potential, but needs extra-time to correct a few flaws.
So there had been discussions between the Heroes production team at Ubisoft and the development team at Black Hole and we all agreed we want H6 to be great and to be the “flagship” for all that’s to come in the Might & Magic brand.
I hope the town screens are one of those 'flaws', otherwise I fear that fans will bombard the 'flagship' with complaints until it sinks
(assumming that the members of these forums are in some - remotely statictically relevant - way representative of the HOMM series player base)
So I'm under the impression that town screens are there but just in 2D, not 3D. Am I wrong?
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Brukernavn
Hero of Order
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posted May 03, 2011 10:24 PM |
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So I'm under the impression that town screens are there but just in 2D, not 3D. Am I wrong?
You might want to check out page 14 of this thread, but here is the gist of it:
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Will there be townscreens?
There are town windows, and they work as follows:
- The town screen is actually a town window. It is designed to remain the same size whatever your screen resolution is, even if you use a 16:9 monitor.
- The town visuals will be animated and are what could be described as "2.5D".
- Each town has its own musical theme (as usual).
- The town visuals change when you build stuff (although in the current design, not all buildings appear).
- Building and recruiting is done through the window interface, rather than clicking on the buildings directly.
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted May 06, 2011 04:42 PM |
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I would like to ask Cepheus if there is any point of this thread or it is just waste of time?
i mean do Dev's actually care about Fans opinion, or it has been decided already, and they won't change their opinion no matter what?
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted May 06, 2011 06:14 PM |
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Edited by Cepheus at 18:15, 06 May 2011.
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Sorry but I can't be very specific as to what is happening at the moment, beyond assuring you that you aren't wasting your time. We're on the same side here
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Brukernavn
Hero of Order
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posted May 07, 2011 04:00 AM |
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted May 07, 2011 05:28 AM |
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ok then ..
will try to summarise my opinion for Dev's..
Town Screens were Vital part of any HoMM game..
and it's hard to overestimate their importance..
Every Faction had it's own art style, music theme and of course Town screen.
That gave a strong atmosphere, impression about each faction..
Made players feel that they are part of something incredible.
Making them town windows will kill huge part of that impression.
This decision clearly was a mistake..
Saying that 1 second is far too long for a TBS player is just a incompitent joke!
If Dev's stress on making each faction unique, giving factions a racial abilities and new Hero development system,
then how could they think this pop up window will contribute in feeling that your faction is unique and different?
Decision was horrible, and instead of stubbornly behaving like "we know better", admit your mistake and try (at least try) to fix it!!!
I can assure Ubi that by doing nothing they are going to lose a lot of sales, for example in one of their primary markets Russia, where people are Raging about Town-Screens change,
and lot of them will just download the game pirate version, because no responce about this issue from Dev's is concidered a simple disrespect!
Dear UbiHole - Show more respect to Fans, and if you come up with important changes, make sure you have valuable reasons behind it!
And if you make a big MISTAKE like Town-Windows, then admit your mistake and try to do something about it!!!
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted May 07, 2011 11:58 AM |
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And I respectfully, though firmly disagree with Darklord.
I cannot and wil not, in good conscience, brand things I have not tried and seen for myself a mistake.
I applaud the willingness to innovate, even if the results may not be those expected. And I wholeheartedly encourage the effort to experiment.
Knowing full wel that sometimes steps back have to be taken to move forward. And wether this step back, one of the few things I agree with, will result in something better now or in the future remains to be seen. But I, for one, am willing to try something new and see where it may lead.
I firmly believe that one can, should and must learn from mistakes. But even more so that one must be allowed to make mistakes in order to be able to learn. Stressing once more that I find it too early to judge anything a mistake before actual use or experience.
Visionaries are rarely apreciated in their own time, as the adage goes. And it remains to be seen wether this descision wil result in a grave mistake or in a bright new future. Only the passage of time can tell us this. But I am willing to sit this time out and see where it leads.
And I know that I am not the voice of the many. At best I am the voice of few and at worst just the voice of myself. But in the firm belief that differing opinions need to be heard as well, even if this results in the branding of the holder, I speak.
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted May 07, 2011 01:18 PM |
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brand things I have not tried and seen for myself a mistake.
How can you not have seen the town windows yet?
And its sayings like this "I have not tried it yet so I do not have anything negative to say" that makes the developers not care and then when the final game comes out and you might hate the town window you will be saying to yourself "Why did I not see this coming and tried to stop it?"
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Over himself, over his own
body and
mind, the individual is
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Dark-Whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted May 07, 2011 02:07 PM |
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I wholeheartedly agree with Darklord.
My point of view is clear as many of you know. I'm not against evolution of franchise, I'm against innovation for sake of it, for pushing things by force against will of the many when its clearly not needed and will not bring anything to the franchise.
Remember, when you change essence of something it stops being that thing anymore. One of essences of this game as many agree is atmosphere and immersion that town screens bring into this game.
Don't change something that works so well, is loved by so many and makes essence of the game.
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