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bixie
Promising
Legendary Hero
my common sense is tingling!
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posted April 02, 2011 07:12 PM |
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Ok, let me just explain something for people who feel like the the series has "Dumbed down" and that homm should only be games for fans...
Are you high?
seriously, are you f**king high?
At the end of the day, Ubisoft and black hole are running businesses, which requires profit. Not just breaking even on whatever they make, they need a profit, which is why they are trying to make it more accessible to new fans. For a franchise to survive, it needs to grow, and for that to happen, it needs to bring in new people. If that means dumbing it down, then so be it, if this means 3d, then so be it, if this means not remaking heroes 3, then so be it.
Besides which, it will still piss people off if they did. the heroes series, no matter how much we love it, cannot afford to make Heroes 3 again like Nintendo can go retro with mario or Capcom with megaman 9, because it doesn't have the fanbase to make it profitable. no matter how many copies you buy, that is not going to make up for the potential loss in terms of sales from new buyers, and how much it puts ubisoft in the red for this.
because let me make one thing clear, alright. If this franchise starts to do badly in terms of sales, Ubisoft will drop it like a stone. Goodbye might and magic universe, no more new releases, no more new fans, no growth, no prosper, no franchise.
so... yeah, complain all you want, moan all you want. if you really love this franchise, you'll buy the latest iteration and then start moaning, as you would have helped it survive for another couple of years. even if you hate H6, if you like the franchise, you will spend money on it.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted April 02, 2011 07:13 PM |
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Truth be told, I'd rather see it crash and burn.
"Hello, Ashan. F**k off, franchise"
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Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted April 02, 2011 07:18 PM |
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because let me make one thing clear, alright. If this franchise starts to do badly in terms of sales, Ubisoft will drop it like a stone. Goodbye might and magic universe, no more new releases, no more new fans, no growth, no prosper, no franchise.
so... yeah, complain all you want, moan all you want. if you really love this franchise, you'll buy the latest iteration and then start moaning, as you would have helped it survive for another couple of years. even if you hate H6, if you like the franchise, you will spend money on it.
You high... joking? These money will not go in favour of the series, they will fill Ubisoft's pockets and why exactly should I care about their well-being? Let them rot, Heroes is my concern. The best possible development for me will be to sell the franchise to someone who actually have played the previous games.
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If that means dumbing it down, then so be it
What a brave new world is ahead of us when more people start thinking like you...
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mytheroes
Famous Hero
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posted April 02, 2011 07:25 PM |
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The best possible development for me will be to sell the franchise to someone who actually have played the previous games.
And who might that be?
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted April 02, 2011 07:27 PM |
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mytheroes
Famous Hero
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posted April 02, 2011 07:31 PM |
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Sir Mullich?
Is he still producing games?
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Zenofex
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Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted April 02, 2011 07:34 PM |
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And who might that be?
Beats me, given that the series are in the hands of people who have never played the previous games (with a few exceptions which seemingly are at the bottom of the food chain and can't influence the development), it could hardly get worse in this regard. Besides, that's my wish-that-most-likely-will-not-come-true, after all there seem to be enough people who will buy even a console port of Tetris of Might and Magic (a.k.a Heroes X for example) just "to keep the series alive".
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Jabanoss
Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
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posted April 02, 2011 07:39 PM |
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Poor Zenofex misses his precious Kreegan. 
Anyway I just wonder, in what way has Heroes 6 been dumbed down?
If anything I think it looks a lot more complex then H5.
However seeing how this is a whine complain thread, I can say that my biggest disappointment is obviously the lack of units and factions... :/
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- Meroe
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bixie
Promising
Legendary Hero
my common sense is tingling!
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posted April 02, 2011 07:46 PM |
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Edited by bixie at 19:53, 02 Apr 2011.
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You high... joking? These money will not go in favour of the series, they will fill Ubisoft's pockets and why exactly should I care about their well-being? Let them rot, Heroes is my concern. The best possible development for me will be to sell the franchise to someone who actually have played the previous games.
ubisoft has put time and money into this series, and they expect a return and a profit on it. the reason why you should care for their well-being is the fact that Ubisoft, as game publishers, ultimately have the say over whether the game hit's shelves or not. as I say, if the game doesn't, then basically the franchise can be considered dead, with no growth sustaining it and fans moving on to other games and other markets. no matter how strong the hard core fan base is going to be, if there is no new fans, then the series will enter a spiral of hard-core fan appeasement, displeasure and reduction in profit, until it ends up being just two people who enjoy it, who make the game and spend the money on it. believe me, I've seen it before.
also... well, they have played the previous games. hell, one of the creators claims to have "Grown up" on it. take of that what you will, but they obviously know the gameplay and the function of each mechanic fairly well.
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If that means dumbing it down, then so be it
What a brave new world is ahead of us when more people start thinking like you...
We're not living on the frontier any more, cowboy. we're living in the world of market's, margins and brokers. at the end of the day, aiming high is all very well, but if you don't have a strong base and good ground work, it's going to end in catastrophe. we live in an age where graphics grab peoples attention, and no modern gamer will think twice about a game that's in 2d. Unfortunately, the profitable demographic are these walking afterbirths, and that's the demographic that the big companies will go for, and that's the demographic which will be able to make the idea of continuing this franchise seem profitable.
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mytheroes
Famous Hero
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posted April 02, 2011 07:46 PM |
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Besides, that's my wish-that-most-likely-will-not-come-true, after all there seem to be enough people who will buy even a console port of Tetris of Might and Magic (a.k.a Heroes X for example) just "to keep the series alive".
Hey, if it is an enjoyable spin-off like clash of heroes then why not?
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted April 02, 2011 07:52 PM |
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ok, zenofex, a little bit of investment education 101 for you, then.
Oh, get off your high horse.
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Wckey
Famous Hero
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posted April 02, 2011 08:11 PM |
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Anyway I just wonder, in what way has Heroes 6 been dumbed down?
Apparently the fact that we have only one special resource. I don't know how the game has been dumbed down because of this, but that's what I hear.
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Ever occurred to you that nobody is nostalgic about something bad?
It's not a question that H3 is bad, but that the nostalgic fans will never accept a sequel being better than H3, and will always complain because the sequel isn't better than the nostalgic feeling.
Nostalgic fans have to understand one thing. They found a game they loved. That's a good thing, certainly. But they have to understand that the game isn't made exclusively for their tastes. So changes will inevitably happen. Accept this.
You can not like it. There's no problem in not liking it. But one thing is not liking one thing, the other is say that it is stupid because you don't like it.
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Come back soon, Elvin!
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mytheroes
Famous Hero
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posted April 02, 2011 08:27 PM |
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It's not a question that H3 is bad, but that the nostalgic fans will never accept a sequel being better than H3, and will always complain because the sequel isn't better than the nostalgic feeling.
Actually, this is the right thread for that. Complains of any kind.
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War-overlord
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Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted April 02, 2011 09:23 PM |
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Cheers and Laud for Bixie, says I.
Shame on the whiners.
Let the devs do their work and only then pass fair judgement.
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Vote El Presidente! Or Else!
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Zenofex
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Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted April 02, 2011 10:07 PM |
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ubisoft has put time and money into this series, and they expect a return and a profit on it. the reason why you should care for their well-being is the fact that Ubisoft, as game publishers, ultimately have the say over whether the game hit's shelves or not. as I say, if the game doesn't, then basically the franchise can be considered dead, with no growth sustaining it and fans moving on to other games and other markets. no matter how strong the hard core fan base is going to be, if there is no new fans, then the series will enter a spiral of hard-core fan appeasement, displeasure and reduction in profit, until it ends up being just two people who enjoy it, who make the game and spend the money on it. believe me, I've seen it before.
I don't understand what was the point in this boring lecture which has a strange mixture of trivial things and wild speculations as its content. Do you really thinks that anybody has any illusions why Ubisoft are producing this game? The problem is quite different - you say that the game may need to be "dumbed down", "rooted out" when it comes to its predecessors just to please a bunch of newbies which supposedly are the Vial of Lifeblood (pun intended) for the series. Two questions arise immediately: 1) If the old fans constitute such a small and unimportant part of the potential clients that it's not very important what their opinion is, why do they rely on the brand name to make the sells? They could as well rename it and start from a scratch, leaving the dreadful shadow of Heroes III; 2) Why do you think that all the changes that they are making are likeable for the "new fans"? For example, there is a wide-spread belief that the transition from relatively "realistic" creature models (Heroes I - IV) to manga-style ShinY, pompous stuff has as its purpose to please these "new fans". Where are these hoards of new fans who adore these models though? I am fully aware that there are people who like them but as far as I can tell, those who dislike them or feel neutral towards them are more. By far. So the point is - why do you think that Ubisoft's perception regarding what the new fans want is correct?
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also... well, they have played the previous games. hell, one of the creators claims to have "Grown up" on it.
Marzhin? He's a level designer, i.e. a map maker with a salary. As far as I know he can't influence the decision-making process regarding the fundamental parts of the game which actually matter.
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We're not living on the frontier any more, cowboy. we're living in the world of market's, margins and brokers.
Thanks for sharing it, I always knew that I can't be wrong thinking that we are not living in a world of nice people who do nice things for each other. Nice to see that someone else has noticed it.
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Zenofex misses his precious Kreegan.
That I do, but it does not mean that I want a Heroes III clone, contrary to what becomes a popular belief. The moronic trend to blame Heroes III for every criticism directed at the next games from the series is really getting on my nerves though.
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einomida
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posted April 02, 2011 10:16 PM |
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Zenofex misses his precious Kreegan.
That I do, but it does not mean that I want a Heroes III clone, contrary to what becomes a popular belief. The moronic trend to blame Heroes III for every criticism directed at the next games from the series is really getting on my nerves though.
It's not moronic when every time you see complaints about H6, there's things along the lines of "I want this creature to look like H3", "I want this system to be like H3"...
instead of things I'd understand like "H3 had such a nice atmosphere, I'd like H6 to capture the same feeling."
Not directed at you in particular, of course.
It just seems people don't really know what they like about H3 (as somebody mentioned, it's most likely nostalgia), and instead of figuring out what made the game so special - like the storyline or whatever - they want every little bit of the new HoMM to copy H3.
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Dark-Whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted April 02, 2011 11:03 PM |
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if you really love this franchise, you'll buy the latest iteration and then start moaning, as you would have helped it survive for another couple of years. even if you hate H6, if you like the franchise, you will spend money on it.
What?! This is one of the most ridiculous statements ever. LOL!!!
Why should anyone give cash to someone for something that he/she doesn't like?
It sends totally wrong message.
If I don't like the way this or any other franchise goes I will say it as loud as I can. Ultimately if I find that developers have crossed the line of my tolerance I will not buy that product.
Nobody should buy game just because UBI named it Might and Magic: Heroes. If soul of game is gone then its time to pull the plug on franchise.
Anyway if HOMM survived 3DO crash it can survive UBI's too.
That said I don't think that Heroes VI is bad product. I think it was on the right path to revive franchise when all this "town windows" came to the light. It was one of the worst decisions they could make and their silent treatment about it is just making it worse.
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Zenofex
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Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted April 03, 2011 12:04 AM |
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It's not moronic when every time you see complaints about H6, there's things along the lines of "I want this creature to look like H3", "I want this system to be like H3"...
And what is the problem to have some things like in Heroes III? This doesn't mean that the people in question want a full replica of the said game. Actually I'll be surprised if those who want Heroes III to be cloned in 3D are more than a few dozens or hundreds at most. But sure, it's easier to think of everybody who supports some part of the old stuff as of "enemies of the progress" or whatever - painting someone blacker than he/she really is works since the dawn of the civilization, why stop now?...
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mancubus
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 03, 2011 12:27 AM |
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I say this again, but...
Funny, how sometimes it looks like it is considered "childish, silly and therefore wrong" to "whine" about some detail (some creature, town window) of the game, because allegedly it's an indication of immaturity, whereas at the same time it is not considered immature to express ENJOYMENT over certain details of some random computer game, or just half-blindly and openly cheer for the project
PS. Thanks Zenofex for your hard work. Really appreciated 
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Fauch
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted April 03, 2011 01:41 AM |
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Funny, how sometimes it looks like it is considered "childish, silly and therefore wrong" to "whine" about some detail (some creature, town window) of the game, because allegedly it's an indication of immaturity, whereas at the same time it is not considered immature to express ENJOYMENT over certain details of some random computer game, or just half-blindly and openly cheer for the project
who said Brave new world?
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