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KuzAnn
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posted April 04, 2011 08:22 AM |
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The new world and all that is not the problem. Well, actually it is, but just because it's pathetic, not because it's new. The problem is with Ubisoft's arbitrary decisions which are given little or no explanation and show lack of competence regarding the Heroes series. Why did they remove the three resources? "Because this is just a feature". Why did they reduce the town screens to mere windows? "Because Heroes is not about city planning". Why did they cut the third head of the Cerberus but kept the name, which among other things is given to a three-headed dog in Heroes V? "Because this is not the real world mythology". And so on. You see, this kind of attitude really pisses me off. Not only they do something controversial, but they come up with a daft explanation for it. This does not generate trust, sir, at all!
This I gotta see... Can you toss some links to those statements? These excuses are practically legendary in their awfulness!
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Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted April 04, 2011 09:15 AM |
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I think it's simply because many who played H3 have never even tried H5, at least that is my experience.
Nonsense. If this is true, then at the moment the Heroes series have no "old fanbase" to speak of as this entire "old fanbase" has played Heroes III and as far as I can tell the vast majority of it liked it. You think that Heroes V sold only or mostly among newbies? 
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But it's still your personal impression that most people prefer H3 over any other of the installments.
And what would be your personal impression, doubting one? Funny how people still play Heroes III more than 10 years after its release, Heroes V is largely abandoned, no matter that it appeared only 5 years ago and Heroes IV never gained enough popularity to be a match for any other part of the series but you think that we have lies, damned lies and of course lying statistics about all this.
@KuzAnn, don't have the time to find all these answers now, but check the Information topic - some of them are there.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted April 04, 2011 09:20 AM |
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One can put many different views on that. I think Heroes 3 was a great game, but I think in terms of gameplay, Heroes 5 was superior (not in all ways, but in many). If Heroes 5 had not been dragged down by terrible technical and AI performance, I think it would have been an overall better game than Heroes 3 - but it was dragged down by those things.
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brukernavn
Hero of Order
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posted April 04, 2011 02:46 PM |
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I think it's simply because many who played H3 have never even tried H5, at least that is my experience.
Nonsense. If this is true, then at the moment the Heroes series have no "old fanbase" to speak of as this entire "old fanbase" has played Heroes III and as far as I can tell the vast majority of it liked it. You think that Heroes V sold only or mostly among newbies?
No, I'm saying that more people have played H3 than any other installment in the series. Most H3 fans I meet have barely tried H4 and H5 and are therefore not a reliable source of what "is the best game in the series".
Out of those who've tried all the games I would expect H3 and H5 to have an equal amount of "votes".
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But it's still your personal impression that most people prefer H3 over any other of the installments.
And what would be your personal impression, doubting one? Funny how people still play Heroes III more than 10 years after its release, Heroes V is largely abandoned, no matter that it appeared only 5 years ago and Heroes IV never gained enough popularity to be a match for any other part of the series but you think that we have lies, damned lies and of course lying statistics about all this.
What statistics? You still haven't presented any to support your personal opinions. For people that have only tried H1-4 it's natural to say that H3 was "tha best!!!!11one". Many are determined to never try any later installment of the game, and spam all over the place.
The response I hear from most people that have tried both H3 and H5 is something like this:
"H3 was a great game! H5 was not that good in the beginning, but with the expansion packs and the patches it really got better. Now I've played it a while and I'm starting to like it even more. It has it's flaws as well, but many things are better than in H3. Although the atmosphere and the feeling is not the same. I guess it never can be."
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Zenofex
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Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted April 04, 2011 06:27 PM |
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One can put many different views on that. I think Heroes 3 was a great game, but I think in terms of gameplay, Heroes 5 was superior (not in all ways, but in many). If Heroes 5 had not been dragged down by terrible technical and AI performance, I think it would have been an overall better game than Heroes 3 - but it was dragged down by those things.
This is the problem with all "what ifs" - you never know what would have happened if something was not like it was. If Heroes V was technically better and more replayable game, I myself would've liked it much more. But it isn't.
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No, I'm saying that more people have played H3 than any other installment in the series.
Having said this yourself, you keep claiming that it's not the most popular one?  Where's the logic?
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Most H3 fans I meet have barely tried H4 and H5 and are therefore not a reliable source of what "is the best game in the series".
According to you the reliable sources are only those who have played Heroes V and liked it. WTF? Those who have "barely" played it might have hated it from the beginning you know. And where are you getting your information from anyway?
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What statistics? You still haven't presented any to support your personal opinions.
If you want it so much, I'll find you a few links but why don't you start a poll right here and right now and find for yourself?
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For people that have only tried H1-4 it's natural to say that H3 was "tha best!!!!11one". Many are determined to never try any later installment of the game, and spam all over the place.
Again, you are assuming something blatantly incorrect - that many of the people who have played Heroes III haven't played Heroes V. The latter sold well and this would be impossible without the old fanbase. If you start thinking, you'll find out that the brand name wasn't kept just because it sounds nice. Moreover, there were some complaints that "Heroes V is too much like Heroes III" - guess why.
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The response I hear from most people that have tried both H3 and H5 is something like this:
"H3 was a great game! H5 was not that good in the beginning, but with the expansion packs and the patches it really got better. Now I've played it a while and I'm starting to like it even more. It has it's flaws as well, but many things are better than in H3. Although the atmosphere and the feeling is not the same. I guess it never can be."
And even this could be considered a legitimate excerpt of the public opinion - which isn't even remotely proven - it just says that in some respects Heroes V is a better game - which I'm not denying - but generally falls behind Heroes III - which I already said.
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted April 04, 2011 09:24 PM |
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No, I'm saying that more people have played H3 than any other installment in the series. Most H3 fans I meet have barely tried H4 and H5 and are therefore not a reliable source of what "is the best game in the series".
Out of those who've tried all the games I would expect H3 and H5 to have an equal amount of "votes".
You seem to have missed the fact that, even after 2 expansions and a bunch of patches, H5 is still a mess with the slow AI load times, and the need to keep rotating the map to find everything, and H4 had atrocious balance with the whole heroes-in-combat thing (amongst other issues), as compared to H3, which worked right out of the box, and is still working 13 years later.
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted April 04, 2011 10:22 PM |
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well i Loved HoMM4 for example..
inspite it's all minuses, there were things that other HoMM games didn't have..
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted April 04, 2011 11:05 PM |
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I wonder when this thread descends into the murky territory of Godwin's Law. It has every potential to do so.
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted April 04, 2011 11:32 PM |
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you can't kill this thread! it's immortal 
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brukernavn
Hero of Order
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posted April 05, 2011 02:47 AM |
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@Zenofex
I've never argued popularity. My initial response was to your following claim:
"All the previous games have their flaws, but you see, the point is that when you summarize all the pluses and minuses, some of them get better results. It so happens that Heroes III has the best result overall"
And I pointed out that this is just your personal opinion, not a proven fact. You're the one who dragged in popular opinion in defense of your position (even though that's an invalid argument to begin with), and I've pointed out that for people to be able to judge what game has the best result with respect to their pluses and minuses, they must actually have played all the games. Many have, and some haven't, it's as simple as that.
When I add all the pluses and minuses H5 has the best result overall, with H3 very close behind it. That's my personal opinion 
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mytheroes
Famous Hero
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posted April 05, 2011 03:37 AM |
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I don't know why rotating map in H5 keep becoming an issue. I for one has almost never rotate the map when playing H5 and I can proceed just fine.
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted April 06, 2011 11:46 AM |
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lack of news is devastating!!!
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foxxxer
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 06, 2011 11:50 AM |
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lack of news is devastating!!!
Easy! Why do you want news? 
Probably they'll flood us in 20 June 
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Synth
Hired Hero
That's a lady?
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posted April 06, 2011 12:24 PM |
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One can put many different views on that. I think Heroes 3 was a great game, but I think in terms of gameplay, Heroes 5 was superior (not in all ways, but in many). If Heroes 5 had not been dragged down by terrible technical and AI performance, I think it would have been an overall better game than Heroes 3 - but it was dragged down by those things.
That's because AI and technical performance, not to mention balance is far and away more important than the inconsequential stupid whining about a cerberus head or how the spring spirit is a little similar looking to something else or OMG FAKE MEDUSA! 
In fact, I find all the complaining about this junk indicative of a lack of anything more consequential to whine about, and actually encouraging. I have been given no reason to whine about balance, AI and bugs, because it has been stated repeatedly that these are things of the utmost importance as opposed to appeasing the silly useless little gripes that only the spergiest of hardcore fans would give a toss about.
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mancubus
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 06, 2011 02:45 PM |
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I have been given no reason to whine about balance, AI and bugs, because it has been stated repeatedly that these are things of the utmost importance ...
You have been given no remarkable reason to whine about balance, AI or bugs, because you have no idea how those aspects will (or won't) turn out, whereas we know much more about creatures and even town window (not full screen, most likely not interactive).
Imo there's no much point in trying to determine those "more objective" reasons to whine/complain. Those hierarchies are debatable at least so I guess you're just wasteing your time.
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Nocturnal
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted April 07, 2011 11:48 AM |
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My only complaint is still the only one I have: no alternative upgrades. Maybe I'll have more after I've played the game. As I know most of the copmlaints the other people have will be erased from their mouths after they see the things they complain about are actually working nice in the game. Like that having 4 resources and stuff.
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Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted April 07, 2011 11:53 AM |
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There is no way to know that yet.
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted April 08, 2011 11:03 AM |
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maybe it's just me, but i never liked alternative upgrades..
didn't find them interesting..
but for all alternative upgrades lovers, hey imagine if upgrade changed due to hero "reputation system".. would be fun
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted April 08, 2011 11:17 AM |
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My only complaint is still the only one I have: no alternative upgrades.
It will probably be added later in an expansion pack (or whatever it's called these days) just like it was in H5.
Probably.
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El_Chita
Known Hero
Actually, my name is El Chita
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posted April 08, 2011 01:12 PM |
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Complaint
I really dislike all these upcoming spirits and higher beings in Haven and Sanctuary. Gods should help their believers only in special situations and not act like generals who furnish their believers with troups like "hey, you've got a strong belief, 500 of my spirits are under your command"
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