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infinitus
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posted April 11, 2011 10:21 PM |
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No simultaneous turns on H6 launch ???
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CH: 7. Is there a chance simultaneous could return – if not in H6, then some day?
Marzhin: "I have no definitive answer on this right now, but clearly it would be a logical feature to add in a patch or add-on."
Excuse me dear UBI, but this is pure madness to launch H6 without sim turns !  Our TOH veteran, Jinxer have a theory - Nival was drunk then made H5, this why they failed to bring balanced multiplayer... Well maybe they was drunk but they at least introduced sim turns, 3d town screen etc ... News "no sim tuns at launch" make me believe Nival was not drunk, Ubihole was drunk and continue to be even now... Drunk or even worse ... Maybe they just hate us ?  Dear UBI employers do you ever tried to play on UBI server H5 multi ? I have a strong feeling you are newbies from another planet, cos even UBI server newbies know better the situation in multiplayer. Many random templates are unplayable in multi just because in many cases sim turns end on day 1. From my personal experience in such case 50-60% of players prefer to quit game with words - damn, sims off, bad luck ... Some people may say this way proceed only newbies. No this is not right, TOH veterans refuse to play maps with broken simturns too ... Players try to bypass the problem by introducing rule - game restart if sim turns end in first 3 game turns. Now imagine what they will say on H6 launch with no sims ... We can get the situation like WindowsXP vs Vista then users trow away Vista from notebooks and install XP. Why to buy game with no sim turns, no normal town screen, no normal resources ? We have H5 with all that ... Today news make me from optimist, total pessimist. Chance to get good multi in H6 is really low. Actually this is possible only by lucky accident, like life appeared on our planet ... Why need VIP forum, why need tons of topics here, if you UBI are blind ... Sorry for severe tone, but you UBI deserve it ...
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TwinMatrix
Hired Hero
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posted April 11, 2011 10:39 PM |
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I think we all already established that HoMM VI rapes the franchise.
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Jabanoss
Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
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posted April 11, 2011 10:47 PM |
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I agree wholeheartedly with Infinitus.
This is really bad.
Unfortunately I don't play that much multiplayer, but this will hardly make that better. 
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted April 11, 2011 10:48 PM |
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True, it looks like they won't be in version 1.0. We asked for them but didn't get them this time. I apologise for that. We'll keep asking.
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Wckey
Famous Hero
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posted April 11, 2011 11:37 PM |
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Well, the good side is that I can play and studying at the same time... erm... maybe that's not a good way to see the positive side of it 
Well, Heroes 5 didn't had them neither in the beggining.
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perathekojot
Known Hero
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posted April 12, 2011 12:20 AM |
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This is a MAJOR thing. I am not sure, if the UBI realize how many people play heroes mostly for multiplayer. Not to mention that those are most dedicated fans, who spend hours and hours with this game. And to omit such important detail, that prolongs each game almost twice, plus spending half ot that time waiting, really sounds like a terrible idea. Better idea would be to focus on working on simultanios turns in 1.0 for a price of map editor and random map generator in patches / add-ons.
Most community really seems more upset with town screen issue then with lack of such important part. I just don't get it.
Also, our dear UBI management should really think about this situation and how real can it be for some people:
A fan buy a game. Plays a campagin for a month or two. Get bored (only 5 factions doesn't help with it at all). Tries multyplayer. Get frustrated. Quit a game. Couple months later UBI geniuses allows multyplayer by adding sim turns in expansion.
So, in perfect situation (sims being available from 1.0) almost 100% of those players that still play the game (mostly playing friendly multiplayer) would buy expansion with few new races, editor, RMG.
In a less perfect situation (real one, so far we know), how many of those that would in perfect case buy expansions, will do the same. Certainly less: 80,60,50,... percent, for various reasons (got hooked on another game, found another interest, lost fate in H6 and got back to H5/H3,...).
There is an old trading truth that getting back a disappointed customer is always harder, more expensive and less efficient then it is to keep him in a first place. As much as short term costs of keeping them seems high at the moment. And this is definitely the case here. And not caring for your most loyal customers needs is never a good idea.
I hope they will reconsider this or at least allow sim turns in month or two from 1.0. Because this way they are doing it now, both sides will lose. And it doesn't take a genius to see it. Just common sense.
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Warlord
Famous Hero
Lord of Image Spam
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posted April 12, 2011 12:21 AM |
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Will the AI be good enough to compensate no multi?
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perathekojot
Known Hero
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posted April 12, 2011 12:23 AM |
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Brukernavn
Hero of Order
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posted April 12, 2011 01:03 AM |
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Most community really seems more upset with town screen issue then with lack of such important part. I just don't get it.
That's because most of the community don't play multiplayer. Hotseat at best, but Heroes is first and foremost a single-player game.
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted April 12, 2011 01:21 AM |
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"Hotseat at best, but Heroes is first and foremost a single-player game"
Yeeeeeah about that.... I think you might be messing with the wrong crowd here . Amongst the things that make Heroes so great is the fact that you can have tons of fun just playing with yourself single player but if you look at all the Heroes Communties out there their focus is undeniably the multiplayer which is what has made Heroes endure.
It's like many people have stated already delivering the game without simultanious turns is going to be big blow to the multiplayer scene. Heroes multiplayer is already quite unique compared to that of other games and pretty time consuming especially if you get on the higher levels so to get people to stay with the game it's pivotal that the multiplayer experience isn't one huge bore fest where you spent half the time you want to spent playing just sitting there and waiting. Without simultanious turns it's going to be very hard to establish any form of multiplayer scene... I mean just look out at the market do you really think that at this day and age you'll find many people who'll be willing to play a game where they spent half their playtime doing nothing? I doubt it... it's great that Heroes is also an amazing singleplayer game but that is not enough espcially when Heroes is concerned...
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perathekojot
Known Hero
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posted April 12, 2011 01:24 AM |
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Most community really seems more upset with town screen issue then with lack of such important part. I just don't get it.
That's because most of the community don't play multiplayer. Hotseat at best, but Heroes is first and foremost a single-player game.
Hotseat is multiplayer. Multiplayer meens you have at least two human players.
As, for your estimate, you will have to show me some figures, because without them, its just your opinion. And of course, the others can have one too  And even if its true, how many of those single players will actually buy the game. Because, I know for a fact that majority of multiplayers wil buy it, because we want this franchise to succeed and last, not play some campaign, and go for next download.
And sadest part is experince that you and your alike is missing when playing solely AI. What's a point, where is joy to beat some retarted AI, how will most probaly come at you with half an army or wizard leading an orc army. Especailly comparing to satisfaction of winning over a great player how makes every effor to win himself.
Cause this is a game of complexity, concentration, depth, hard-thinking and this is all you are missing limiting yourself to single player. And forgive me for not taking your opinion with great respect, because if you are only playing AI, you really don't know much of what this game is really about.
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted April 12, 2011 01:36 AM |
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sorry for being a n00b , but what does sim turn mean???
sorry again
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Nocturnal
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted April 12, 2011 01:42 AM |
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What a panic! They will most surely add it with a patch soon after the game. Everyone will be playing the very long campaigns first. If we don't have sim. turns some months after the release, start all this complaining then, but not now.
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Nocturnal
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted April 12, 2011 01:45 AM |
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sorry for being a n00b , but what does sim turn mean???
sorry again
Simulateous turns. Meaning: in multiplayer I don't wait for your turn to end to play mine. We simply play our turns in the same time and only the one who finished his/her turn first wait for the other one to finish. Then we start the second turn again together. This goes on like that until our heroes meet somewhere on the map. After that it goes back to normal turns.
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perathekojot
Known Hero
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posted April 12, 2011 01:58 AM |
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Is there a chance simultaneous could return – if not in H6, then some day?
Marzhin: "I have no definitive answer on this right now, but clearly it would be a logical feature to add in a patch or add-on."
Where in this did you read: "will most surely add it with a patch soon after the game".
For me upper answer is a typical political answer, where you give no real promise or date, just a sign of good will, which actually cost nothing, but makes lack of real answer easier to swallow. And just a fact that he is so vague, is telling me exactly the opposite. He can't even say if there is gonna be sim turns at all. And for me this is the worst news regarding H6 so far. So, forgive me for complaining.
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e-lysander
Known Hero
Lysander
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posted April 12, 2011 01:58 AM |
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I never, ever play multi-player. I hardly have the patience to wait for eight AI turns, much less multiple humans.
I didn't know about the simultaneous turns thing, and it seems quite cool, but I've been playing with AI since 1996, so it just feels right.
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Jabanoss
Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
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posted April 12, 2011 02:14 AM |
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Ahhh! I really want to play H6 competitive, that was one of the reason I joined HC, but when they don't have sim-turns, I mean wtf?
To me that was one of the "must have features in H6" for me. I seriously cannot understand why they haven't added it...
Like many games heroes consists of 2 aspects, Single Player and Multi Player.
Since most people here only care about Single Player, I'll put this as clear as I can.
Not having Sim-turn is like having an AI in H6 that take the same amount of time as the AI in H5 did on random maps!!
*People screaming in terrible horror*
that's right...
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Brukernavn
Hero of Order
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posted April 12, 2011 02:15 AM |
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I agree that sim-turns is a must for a pleasurable multiplayer experience, I'm just saying that most people have never tried multiplayer in Heroes, much because of the reasons mentioned by Azagal, which make TBS-games first and foremost single player games. And if you want numbers, just look at TOH-members vs sold copies for starters.
I never said that I've never played multiplayer or don't want sim-turns with game release, I just gave you a reason why most people don't seem to care.
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mytheroes
Famous Hero
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posted April 12, 2011 03:26 AM |
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Sorry another noob here, why is it bad for sim turn to end?
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Jackson
Known Hero
Random Spirit Lover
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posted April 12, 2011 04:21 AM |
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I really don't care about simultaneous turns. Heroes was never about speed. In fact, one of the many reasons that I like it, is because it's good for multi-tasking. I can spend 10 minutes studying, then 10 minutes playing, or 10 minutes reading, or whatever else. It makes for a very mellow, enjoyable night.
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