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infinitus
infinitus


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posted April 13, 2011 01:05 PM

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I still dont get how can simultaneous turns could be so hard to implement by ubi.

I suspect zone control introduced in H6 make sim turns implementation harder.

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I have nothing against not having it. Seriously, what's the big deal?

It's mega big deal for most of people playing multi cos reduce time spent on game by 30-50%. If your life time cost nothing maybe is not big deal ...
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Elvin
Elvin


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posted April 13, 2011 01:15 PM
Edited by Elvin at 13:22, 13 Apr 2011.

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What I noticed so far is that Ubi simplifies the gameplay in favour of multiplayer, but not allowing complex signgleplayer scenarios to exist.

Really..?

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Trying to "beat H3" is a fools errand because it is impossible.

Nothings impossible.

Except this one There is no reason to believe that the new generation of heroes is anywhere close to the old fans in numbers much less surpassing them. Heroes is a highly community-driven franchise hence ubi's change of direction for H6 and even H5 to an extent. And the community members are not newbies to heroes, not the vast majority of them anyway.


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After so many people say H3 is so good, i installed the game to play. From old times i remember H3 as game with beauty graphics. After i started game i can't believe it, graphics look so outdated, i just can't force my self play it, no way ...

You lack the soul of a gamer. Seriously.

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Sure H6 will remain the same if developer pay no attention to multi, chop best multi futures, imbalanced, have lag servers, no normal ranking,  but in general Heroes can be great multiplayer game, have big potential.
Most of H5 server users are newbies that just install the game, try some games, see all this chaos and indifference toward the game and leave ...

You are missing something. While many jumped on the multiplayer wagon there is a very sizeable portion of the community who never played nor intend to try multiplayer for one reason or the other. Multi support plays a role but for many it's an afterthought and they wouldn't try it anyway.
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infinitus
infinitus


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posted April 13, 2011 01:41 PM

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While many jumped on the multiplayer wagon there is a very sizeable portion of the community who never played nor intend to try multiplayer for one reason or the other. Multi support plays a role but for many it's an afterthought and they wouldn't try it anyway.

Yes, but also will be sizable portion of players that plan to try H6 multi. For this portion of players Ubi must show little respect and do some effort to make sim-tuns work. UBI please save our time !
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posted April 13, 2011 01:50 PM

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After so many people say H3 is so good, i installed the game to play. From old times i remember H3 as game with beauty graphics. After i started game i can't believe it, graphics look so outdated, i just can't force my self play it, no way ...

...Is this for real? It makes me wanna quote Cranky Kong.

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posted April 13, 2011 02:26 PM

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After so many people say H3 is so good, i installed the game to play. From old times i remember H3 as game with beauty graphics. After i started game i can't believe it, graphics look so outdated, i just can't force my self play it, no way ...

...Is this for real? It makes me wanna quote Cranky Kong.


I played it just the other month, and while the graphics weren't game breaking for me, there were game-mechanics that I just didn't enjoy.  Dwellings were a pain in the neck, the castles seemed rather imbalanced, artifacts weren't that great, and heroes with 0 mana did absolutely nothing in combat.

I don't think Homm3 is perfect, and I think it is possible to make a better game.  

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posted April 13, 2011 02:38 PM

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After so many people say H3 is so good, i installed the game to play. From old times i remember H3 as game with beauty graphics. After i started game i can't believe it, graphics look so outdated, i just can't force my self play it, no way ...


You can't play Heroes 3 for it's graphics at this year, of course its graphics will seem very bad now, we're in 2011. It's the gameplay and the variety the reason most people love the game. BUT most importantly, it's the years they played it, the joy they got when they were playing the game that make them say "it's the best". It's the memory, you know.
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alcibiades
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posted April 13, 2011 02:45 PM

Has there been any official explanation to this ... baffling decision?
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Elvin
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posted April 13, 2011 02:47 PM

Anyone who is 20+ has no excuse about the graphics, we practically grew up with games from the eighties/nineties.
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posted April 13, 2011 02:51 PM

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Anyone who is 20+ has no excuse about the graphics, we practically grew up with games from the eighties/nineties.

No, no and no ... Esthetic part of game is very important to me.
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Elvin
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posted April 13, 2011 03:02 PM

Which is exactly why you have no excuse. It is newer games that are poor in aesthetics and make no mistake, aesthetics have absolutely nothing to do with graphics.
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perathekojot


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posted April 13, 2011 04:29 PM

How come thread name is: No simultaneous turns on H6 launch ???.

Has anybody confirmed there are going to include them later? If not, proper title should be: No simultaneous turns in H6?!!!!!!

Seems like someone is tapping them on shoulders for such a major screw up. More proper way should be expressing disbelief and discontent, then excusing them with non-confirmed information. Right?

If I missed the part when they confirmed them later on, I most humbly apologize for having such hideous doubts. But if I am not, I think it's about time for mods to try harder with emphasizing how important this issue is for a significant part of community.

Unless I am wrong again, and town screen issue is all that needs fixing.

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Nocturnal
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posted April 13, 2011 04:38 PM

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Which is exactly why you have no excuse. It is newer games that are poor in aesthetics and make no mistake, aesthetics have absolutely nothing to do with graphics.


I don't agree with you there. You claim that Heroes 6's aesthetics is nicer than Heroes 3's???
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Elvin
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posted April 13, 2011 04:51 PM

I was talking of released games and not this series in particular.
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Clay_Man


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posted April 13, 2011 04:53 PM

Seems like H6 will be overloaded with sh*tty gimmicks instead of focusing on the two core aspects of the game:

1. Providing easily customizable, scalable maps, that are good for interactive multi games as well as for epic XL singleplayer quests.

2. Decent multi support (RMG, user friendly map editor, ladders, etc.)

Instead we have 50 page long lorebooks, control zones, bossfights, warhammer-like unit distribution, just to please your average forum noobie.

I mean innovation is good, but you don't have to re-invent the wheel with every sequel.

Just my 2 cents, though.

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Synth
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posted April 13, 2011 06:29 PM

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Seems like H6 will be overloaded with sh*tty gimmicks instead of focusing on the two core aspects of the game:

1. Providing easily customizable, scalable maps, that are good for interactive multi games as well as for epic XL singleplayer quests.

2. Decent multi support (RMG, user friendly map editor, ladders, etc.)

Instead we have 50 page long lorebooks, control zones, bossfights, warhammer-like unit distribution, just to please your average forum noobie.

I mean innovation is good, but you don't have to re-invent the wheel with every sequel.

Just my 2 cents, though.

They've said we're getting pretty much all these things, except the RMG, which they all but confirmed will be in a DLC/Expansion.

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infinitus
infinitus


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posted April 14, 2011 03:56 AM
Edited by infinitus at 07:34, 14 Apr 2011.

After some thinking, once again about numbers. All players that tried or will try Heroes Kingdoms or many clones of it (Chinese Heroes, Heroes of money) are potential multi players in H6. They are seeking quality Heroes based multiplayer. Ubi, just give them what they seek !
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infinitus


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posted April 14, 2011 08:00 PM

For this who think multi is not interesting for people just take a look at this link Arena streams. This streams are from Russian heroes league, if someone want to introduce himself in Heroes multi, good place to watch and learn. Pay attention to views per replay, 1400 views per replay is very impressive !  
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Karanshade
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posted April 19, 2011 10:37 PM

My position is even harder (that s what she said ok) , not only we need SIM turn but we need it all the way through the game imo, as they did in civilization !
If u haven't experienced it , during the simturn once u meet another human , u continue to play sim , with half a second delay and basically the first one to click creates the action in a contested situation like going for a treasure chest. The half second is there to avoid going into a pure real time thing ,so if u say click attack on a guy but at the same time he orders his guy to move away then u go to his spot and he manages to move away.
Yes it s gonna change a bit multi (a lot?) but then again it is still turn based with movement points so if take that into account , u can still trap a guy.

The thing is I want to attract some friends to play over internet , but they definitely won t give it a try if they expect to spend half the time reading a book

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infinitus
infinitus


Supreme Hero
posted April 21, 2011 07:02 AM
Edited by infinitus at 07:08, 21 Apr 2011.

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not only we need SIM turn but we need it all the way through the game imo, as they did in civilization !

Will be nice to have in H6 game all 3 options on :
- No simturns game. Useful for final tourney game, were all factors are important.
- Classic H5 simturns game. Better to have it to not turn away players who may not like civ like simturns.
- Civ like simturns game. This one can increase greatly multi popularity.
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posted April 21, 2011 07:42 AM


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