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Heroes Community > Other Side of the Monitor > Thread: Right to Self Defense, Gun Ownership, and Deterence of Crime
Thread: Right to Self Defense, Gun Ownership, and Deterence of Crime This thread is 55 pages long: 1 10 20 ... 27 28 29 30 31 ... 40 50 55 · «PREV / NEXT»
Ghost
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posted August 30, 2012 10:57 PM

Later, visa free. Russia and Eastern Europe are savages violent criminals come to Finland and Eu countries. One disadvantage.

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disturbed-Gnu
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posted August 31, 2012 12:28 AM

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@Disturbed: 1. Did you read/ were you able to read my post above? Yes I was somewhat wall-ranting against Del, but he was supporting you so I meant for you to read it as well.  2. Same as Forfy, the problem exists when you start claiming that the majority of a type of people are criminals. they are not, though a small, small percentage of them may be hardened criminals or part of a crime syndicate, you will not find a society that ever existed who's people stole more than they worked for their goods. It just doesn't happen.

Wow wow wow hold on!! Then i wrote something wrong, or you misunderstood me.. I've never said the whole country where corrupt.. I just said that, Those few hwo comes to denmark, 50% of them comes for jobs, and the other 50% for stealing.. I never said the majority of the country :S

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It's when someone says it's the majority of the people who cross country boarders who've malicious intends that it gets contested. The majority, without further clarification, basicly means if you randomly pick someone out who's going to cross the country boarders, in more than 50% of the cases, these people will have malicious intend.
And here, i'll answer the same. I never ment the majority of the countries.

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OhforfSake
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posted August 31, 2012 12:32 AM

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It's when someone says it's the majority of the people who cross country boarders who've malicious intends that it gets contested. The majority, without further clarification, basicly means if you randomly pick someone out who's going to cross the country boarders, in more than 50% of the cases, these people will have malicious intend.
And here, i'll answer the same. I never ment the majority of the countries.

I'm refering to the people who cross country borders, not countries. Here's what you wrote:
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Ofcourse many eatern europeans comes for jobs! But just as many if not more, only drives up here to steal. And that is a fact [...]

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gnomes2169
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posted August 31, 2012 12:33 AM

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and the other 50% for stealing

And still you have not read my first post on this page. It is the fifth post, and rather anti-racism/ ignorance about immigrants. I suggest you read it so that you know where I stand~
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posted August 31, 2012 12:40 AM

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Did you read/ were you able to read my post above? Yes I was somewhat wall-ranting against Del, but he was supporting you so I meant for you to read it as well. 2. Same as Forfy, the problem exists when you start claiming that the majority of a type of people are criminals. they are not, though a small, small percentage of them may be hardened criminals or part of a crime syndicate, you will not find a society that ever existed who's people stole more than they worked for their goods. It just doesn't happen.


Gypsies

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Smithey
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posted August 31, 2012 12:52 AM
Edited by Smithey at 00:53, 31 Aug 2012.

So basically, when a rapist moves into a community, other people use it to rape as many women as possible coz they have a "cover", seriously Forfy ... I dont think there is some conspiracy theory to make gypsies look bad, they kinda admit themselves that its something they do...

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Smithey
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posted August 31, 2012 01:12 AM

People aren't looking for "covers"/opportunities to break the law, if gypsies come to my town I'm not gonna suddenly start jackin' stuff just because I could blame it on gypsies, I doubt you would either...

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OhforfSake
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posted August 31, 2012 01:22 AM

That's not what I'm saying either. I'm saying it's the perfect cover up for anything which goes missing. If someone were to really exploit this "us" vs. "them" phenommena, then they'd have to know where the gypsies were headed and travel to town ahead of them, becomming part of the general population.
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disturbed-Gnu
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posted August 31, 2012 02:03 AM

gnomes2169 and OhForfSake# I've read it. I just dont agree with both you. Im simple minded maybe, but i do know what i hear and experience in my own country. And i also know that it isn't anything to do with age and wealth. Its about, getting easy to money with as little danger as possible. Some only come to rob car stereos, just to sell them back home. I don't understand why, because i don't think theyre much worth, but still, steal 100 car stereos and sell them for 10 bucks a piece, and you've got 1000 Bucks there! And thats only stereos. They do it because its easy, and its not expensive to drive up here.
It happends so often when the danish police desides to catch thieves at the borders.

I hear something in the telie, and i usually bellieve it. News channels to point it out btw.

I maybe sound like a racist, but i'm not. I'm just against robbing, "Community parasites", and all those hwo sucks the states money empty by not working even if theire able, and those hwo choose the easy way to money.. Stealing..

But this was actually a thread about Self Defence?
I think we are geting off tracks here?

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gnomes2169
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posted August 31, 2012 02:37 AM

We are currently talking about crime, and the factors that contribute to it. And also trying to determine if immigrants are truly a major contributor to crime (which both forfy and I do not agree with), and if immigrants cause more harm than good.

Of course, we are doing it in an off-topic manner, so we should probably stop that...
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disturbed-gnu
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posted August 31, 2012 09:32 AM

Immigrants IS a major contributor to crime, BUT, so are gangs/bikers.. We have in denmark alot of Hells Angels gang members, and a huge immigrant gang called AK-81. Hells Angels are wrapped in bubbleplast compared to the crimes AK-81 do. That makes a bad picture of most of the danes view on immigrants.
Those hwo come for work and is able to fit in the society is more than welcome, but those hwo just shows up and su..... -.-* Now im just repeating myself :S

Hehe, true story

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GunFred
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posted August 31, 2012 02:34 PM

I think guns are bad...

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del_diablo
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posted August 31, 2012 06:23 PM

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And lets not forget that Poles going to raid other countries are organized.

I'm seeing "Crime Syndicate" or "Organized robbery," not "immigrants" in this statement, though it does bring us full circle as I pose the question of, what is the best method to stop things like this from happening? Is it border control? Arming the local population? Imposing harsher penalties on criminals caught in the act?

What do you think?


Well, I guess a start would be a full border control. A second idea might be to find a way to punish these criminals, harsly. Currently, punishing a criminal for a "medium crime" is a pain for any legal system due the multiple states involved.
A ideal solution would be to cure the sympthom: Fix Poland, but that is not going to happen anytime soon either.
Gun's won't really change anything, because of the way the crimes are performed, and alarm systems is not that helpful because there is usually plenty to steal outside of the actual house. If you have a decent video surveilance setup, there is still no decent cooperation between the police and the border control, which is another major problem.

As for the gypsies? They can afford to drive roughly 2500 kilometers. I don't buy it that they beg because they have to.
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posted August 31, 2012 09:05 PM
Edited by Zenofex at 21:07, 31 Aug 2012.

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I just said that, Those few hwo comes to denmark, 50% of them comes for jobs, and the other 50% for stealing..
I guess you realize that such a statement just can't be taken seriously, you basically mean that if you have 10000 immigrants from Eastern Europe, 5000 of them are criminals. That's an army, probably close to the number of the police force in a relatively small European country like Denmark and if it was even remotely true, your Minister of Interior would have been the first one to deafen the EU ears for border control, expulsions, anti-Schengen actions and stuff like that. While I've heard numerous complaints against the cheap workforce coming from Eastern Europe coming from pretty much everywhere, the screams against the "exportation of criminals towards Western Europe" usually come from right-wing parties which want to gather disgruntled voters (who usually don't like the cheap labour much more than they don't like the criminals) but have nothing solid to justify such claims. Maybe you can start with quoting some statistics, official researches, etc.

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Corribus
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posted August 31, 2012 09:24 PM

Why would you want to ruin a good argument with actual facts?
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gnomes2169
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posted August 31, 2012 11:48 PM

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Why would you want to ruin a good argument with actual facts?

Because this is the OSM, dear.
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posted September 04, 2012 03:42 AM

Security guard outdraws thee scumbags. Be warned: some of you will cry if you watch the video because an intruder was shot instead of the evil security guard.

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Salamandre
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posted September 04, 2012 04:22 AM

I will never cry to one on one gun fight, like this. Where I shake my head is when I see a squad of untrained fat US cops firing 71 bullets into one man because they don't have a clue how to deal with.
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Ghost
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posted September 04, 2012 04:37 AM
Edited by Ghost at 04:51, 04 Sep 2012.



American police don't know anything! Means all thumbs. I want say thumb + hapless, but I known't Finnish. OK! Who said? Ask the Europeans who lived in America. For example, one of my familiar live in America.

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Doomforge
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posted September 04, 2012 02:39 PM

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Security guard outdraws thee scumbags. Be warned: some of you will cry if you watch the video because an intruder was shot instead of the evil security guard.

Clicky




Should I also post the far more common "three scumbags outdraw a security guard" links as some kind of.. argument? proof?
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