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Thread: Waterdeep Town (aka Abyss town) [ This thread is 3 pages long: 1 (2) 3 ]
Edek
Edek

Tavern Dweller
posted March 22, 2012 10:48 PM
Edited by edek at 21:29, 25 Mar 2012.

I found some links :
http://forum.df2.ru/index.php?showforum=134
http://wogarchive.ru/category.php?id=12

I hope this  will help

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majaczek
majaczek


Famous Hero
Work at Magic Dimmension
posted April 12, 2012 08:03 PM

Once proposed plugin for era codenamed Diamond (support for new towns, the name suggest some similarities to Amethyst, Emerald, and Saphire plugins) you will be able to add your town as new town!

I definately want this one if I have enough empty slots for new town types! Replacing Dungeon is big NO-NO for me since it's one of my best choice towns. Hope it at least have all special buildings from Dungeon in new form including the thing over mages guild in dungeon and summon portal (It means having a town which differ from dungeon only in look and stats/abilities of creatures is essentially good idea).

Note that works on Diamond haven't formally started, but published WoG sources gives much hope to include this feature as an Era plugin soon (much sooner than work of HoTA team). Notice that all code from Published WoG sources about new town support are WiP so they aren't so complete/stable as work of HoTA team, but hey we have good base to begin. It's also why WoG 3.59 with Bastion never get public: although video demos weren't photoshoped it contained some false - It was hard for a team to include such long gameplay without crashes. WE WANT DIAMOND TO BE REAL! NO MORE HoTA TEAM MONOPOL ON ADDING NEW TOWNS !!!

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CrazzieGamerPL
CrazzieGamerPL

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posted July 24, 2012 05:18 PM

Hello everybody. Can you re-host link to Creature Defs? I want t watch this creature in the battlefield but link to megupload is errored. Sorry for my English. BTW. Can you Re-Host it? Please.
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itsjustme
itsjustme


Promising
Known Hero
posted July 24, 2012 07:10 PM

I think you can find Axolotl's creatures here or here2.
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CrazzieGamerPL
CrazzieGamerPL

Tavern Dweller
posted July 24, 2012 08:16 PM
Edited by CrazzieGamerPL at 20:17, 24 Jul 2012.

Quote:
I think you can find Axolotl's creatures here or here2.


Thanks for your help Justme
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Axolotl
Axolotl

Tavern Dweller
posted August 05, 2012 05:09 PM
Edited by Axolotl at 19:47, 05 Aug 2012.

Hi to all.
Sorry for abandon this topic. Glad to say, that the project is still alive. It was some stop in work because almost all the graphics was already done, but i am an artist not a programmer so there was some obstuctions with coding the abilities of creatures and some other technical details. But now some help has come) so i will not promise anything, but i hope (yeah - Hope, beacause it depends not on me) that this town will be done in some way)
So, i'm here again for two reasons - 1 - update some info and show some other ready graphics.
2 - Ask a few questions about the english names for some of the creatures, that i don't know is these names are sound good or not for the people whose native language is english.

1 - i want not to use the word Crab for Crabs)) In russian name, i want to use some fictional name for these creatures. In russian it consists of two words - Claw & Foot and sounds quite good for me.
So is Clawfoot sounds OK? And if not - maybe you can give me some variants of how these could sound.

2 - Octopus - in russian there exist a good name for a giant octopus. Is there some similiars in English that sounds good?

3 - Maybe i will also use some other name for Jellyfishes because in russian it sounds Ěĺäóçŕ (just like Meduse) but this word is already taken for meduses of Dungeon.
I still thinking about the name. One of the variants is Aurelia (it's some kind of jellyfish) Is this sounds good?

4 - These strange creatures
I want to call Ornia (Form the greek "Ornis" that means bird)
It takes name from bird because working name for these creature was something like "Birdy" - but for official name it sounds little silly i think, so let it will be Ornia )).
Yeah - i think this is a good story about this name (based partially on real story of this name) a scientist that discovered these creatures - light-mindedly called it Birdy, but when all the others scientists ask him, how they need to call it and write it down to their books? He confused, understanding that they will laugh at him if he will tell them that it names "Birdy" - but the name was already close to his mind....
so he think a bit and founded!!! He called it Ornia, it sounds quite serious and it keeps in itself the original - Birdy!!!

5 - Other names i thing will be ok - Sea Horse / Magic Sea Horse
Serpentmen (here is the link to MM creatures)
and Sea Serpent/Great Serpent

So wait for your answers, and soon will add the rest of the graphics))

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Kegolo
Kegolo


Promising
Famous Hero
of infamy
posted August 06, 2012 03:18 AM

Just my thoughts, but

1) Clawfoot sounds bad. Not sure what would be better, Karkinos was a giant crab from greek mythology.

2) Maybe Kraken?

3)Aurelia sounds cool!

4)Ornia also sounds good

5) Yes the rest sound fine.

Also, if you need any help with programming, just ask. I assume you just want to add the town (and replace one of the others) so that's easy. Not much coding needed really. Your town looks great though so I'd be happy to help

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Axolotl
Axolotl

Tavern Dweller
posted August 06, 2012 08:00 AM

Quote:
Just my thoughts, but

1) Clawfoot sounds bad. Not sure what would be better, Karkinos was a giant crab from greek mythology.

2) Maybe Kraken?

3)Aurelia sounds cool!

4)Ornia also sounds good

5) Yes the rest sound fine.



Thanks fot answers.
I think that Kraken is the good variant for the Giant Octopus.
For crabs - that's a pity that Clawfoot sounds bad. I think Krakinos & Kraken will be bad idea to have them both in one town - they sounds too similiar, and maybe krakinos is too legendary for first level creatures. So, help with good translation of Clawfoot (it is direct translate of my russian fictional compound name for this creature)

Quote:
Also, if you need any help with programming, just ask. I assume you just want to add the town (and replace one of the others) so that's easy. Not much coding needed really. Your town looks great though so I'd be happy to help


Thanks. But the town is already built in. I mean that almost all the main problems are solved. Towns Screen, Siege Screen, Creatures - they are already in game and working.
Obstructions was mainly with some not standard Heroes creature abilities, that is hard (or impossible) to code just using ERM.

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Kegolo
Kegolo


Promising
Famous Hero
of infamy
posted August 06, 2012 01:18 PM

What were the abilities? Can't be too hard

Also, a direct translation of Clawfoot seems wrong. The claw is the crab's "hand" and not its foot. Maybe just Giant Crab or something like Razor Claw?

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Dj
Dj


Promising
Supreme Hero
Always loyal to HC
posted August 06, 2012 03:08 PM

1) you can use the term 'crustacean' or a world of warcraft term Makrura. The crabs dont have a special place in mythology but Karkinos [like Kegolo said] so the only solution is to use one of the terms above or create your own term and if you want to make a campaign for this town, insert the creature's story.

2) octopus or giant squid -> kraken?

3) aurelia or jellyfish are ok

4) or use the latin word for bird 'avis' or Sea Monk. i find their shapes very similar.

5) sea horse is too boring and too 'real'. i would use capricorn -> hippocampus or kelpie [search google or wikipedia].
serpentman...or triton/merman?
'and Sea Serpent/Great Serpent' or Leviathan

also the solution with creating your own term can be used for each level if you want to. and also please be careful with picking names because there are 2-3-4 water towns in development and when most of them will be ready it would be awkward to have same names in two different towns.

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pianophile
pianophile

Tavern Dweller
posted August 06, 2012 04:09 PM
Edited by pianophile at 16:17, 06 Aug 2012.

I love the graphics.

1 I don't like Clawfoot either. It sounds weird and clumsy. Since there is not much mythology on crabs, maybe you could just use the Russian terms instead? I mean a lot of games use "Yukina" for the snow maiden. Razor Claw sounds okay too.

2 - Octopus - Kraken, Na Kika, Kanaloa, Watcher, there aren't really a lot of Octopus myths. Or maybe a subspecies of Octopus like Nautiloid, etc.

3 - Jellyfish and Aurelia sounds okay

4 -Ornia is okay

5 - Sea Horse / Magic Sea Horse - maybe enchanted instead of instead plain magic.

6. Serpentmen - Sounds okay since there is already Lizardman in use anyway

7. Sea Serpent/Great Serpent - Sounds okay, Leviathan is also an option. There also seems to be some other words in cryptology like Sea Ormen,Ziphius, etc

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Axolotl
Axolotl

Tavern Dweller
posted August 06, 2012 11:23 PM

Quote:
What were the abilities? Can't be too hard



Hmmm...there are casters, and not usual ones

Sea Horses can cast Cure - but only if they more then 10 creatures in the stack and spellpower is depends on quantity and Hero's spellpower.

Aurelias (upgrade) are battle casters - they cast something like Ice Bolt but also only if their quantity more than 10 in a stack. Thre is some serious problems on writing this in ERM. It's possible but in very clumsy way.

Sea Sepents - can cast "Frost Ring" that can hit allies too.

And the main problem is not the direct realisation of these abilities but the correct using them by AI.

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About names - ok. thanks people. I've understood that Clawfoot - sounds bad. Yeah - not always direct translation of compound word sounds good in other language. So if there no good variants of fictional name that means something with many limbs and Claws, i'll think about it more and maybe leave them just Crabs if no good ideas will posess me.

Tomorrow i'll post the rest of the graphics.

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Kegolo
Kegolo


Promising
Famous Hero
of infamy
posted August 07, 2012 03:40 AM

All three of those abilities are easy to code. They all can be done easily with the !?BG0 trigger and a check on the stack creature type and number of monsters. If greater than 10, set BM:E to some number, otherwise set it to 0.

That is, if I understand your abilities correctly. Did you want them to cast instead of their turn, like archangel resurrect? Or did you want something like magog fireball, which happens along with an attack? Again, easy to code, now just use EA receiver. I can post exact code if you give me creature numbers and cannot figure it out yourself.

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Axolotl
Axolotl

Tavern Dweller
posted August 07, 2012 08:19 AM

Quote:
All three of those abilities are easy to code. They all can be done easily with the !?BG0 trigger and a check on the stack creature type and number of monsters. If greater than 10, set BM:E to some number, otherwise set it to 0.

That is, if I understand your abilities correctly. Did you want them to cast instead of their turn, like archangel resurrect? Or did you want something like magog fireball, which happens along with an attack? Again, easy to code, now just use EA receiver. I can post exact code if you give me creature numbers and cannot figure it out yourself.


I know the basics of ERM, but there is more problems than it seems at first glance. I tried it different ways.
But the realy hard problem - is AI, i need that AI use this abilities as correct as posssibe. i.e. Sea Serpents can cast Frost Ring that can damage allies too, so it's dangerous "gift" to AI



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Axolotl
Axolotl

Tavern Dweller
posted August 07, 2012 08:27 AM
Edited by Axolotl at 09:59, 07 Aug 2012.

Here the Hero Portraits - Portraits was made by me and by Morn.
These Portraits mostly are heavily edited collages so the parts of originals is hard to recognize


These ones - my works























These ones made by Morn









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Axolotl
Axolotl

Tavern Dweller
posted August 07, 2012 09:05 AM

Here is the Male Hero for battle screen



Here is the outdoor Castle Building without fort!!!


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Warmonger Online
Warmonger


Promising
Legendary Hero
fallen artist
posted August 07, 2012 10:07 AM

Just stopping by to say it's amazing work

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fersch
fersch


Known Hero
Heral knight
posted August 07, 2012 11:57 AM

Wow great work, looks amazing. I know people HATE when this is asked, including myself, but i have to ask .... Whats the release date?

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Axolotl
Axolotl

Tavern Dweller
posted August 07, 2012 09:02 PM

Quote:
Wow great work, looks amazing. I know people HATE when this is asked, including myself, but i have to ask .... Whats the release date?


+1 I am also interesting in this question very much

I really don't know - last autumn i was thinking that i've almost done most work and soon will release first alpha/beta, but technical obstructions appears and i absolutely struck with it, so the project was almost completelly frozen till this summer. Now, as i said, some help has come and i hope, that the town will be released soon, but it depends not only on me, so i can't promise or predict anything

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Edek
Edek

Tavern Dweller
posted August 09, 2012 10:34 AM

Genialnie, że projetk nie upadł To bardzo ciekawe miasto.

Mam zastrzeżenia do "konia" herosa. Ma za dużą głowę i przez to wygląda dziwnie. Moglibyście wzorować się na tym: http://fdb.pl/film/42704-kon-wodny-legenda-glebin/plakaty

Avatary bohaterów wyglądają mało "Heroesowo". Nie pasują do reszty.

Ogólnie miasto mi się podoba życzę powodzenia w projekcie

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