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Lexxan
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posted May 15, 2011 07:17 PM |
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Cliche #2: Elves are sexually ambiguous.
Srsly.
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Duke_Falcon
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posted May 15, 2011 07:38 PM |
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Cliche #2: Elves are sexually ambiguous.
Srsly.
Cliche #3: Drizzt Do'Urden is undefeatable...
Seriously, why? Bet that Pharaun guy could kick his black ass!
And not elves, Lex, but DARK elves. Simple elves are bouring with their always-pure-good-and-sweet attitude...
Cliche #4: Fantasy means middle-age like things.
Why can't involve a fantasy spacecrafts? I read only one novel that was fantasy and had spacecrafts and alien races (the title was maybe The great crusade?!)...
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Adrius
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posted May 15, 2011 07:41 PM |
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Edited by Adrius at 19:41, 15 May 2011.
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Space elves?
Anyway umm... isn't that what they call sci-fi?
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posted May 15, 2011 07:46 PM |
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No. Sci-fi is based upon present-bound technological possibilities, like Star trek (mostly, expect the shields so far). Aliens was a sci-fi cause the technology represented within it was based on present achievments.
So, whatever the physic deemed possible is sci-fi whenever what it's deemed impossible is fantasy (like eldar dudes and their webway).
To feature spacecraft that could e.g. dimension-jump IS fantasy.
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DagothGares
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posted May 15, 2011 08:29 PM |
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No. Sci-fi is based upon present-bound technological possibilities, like Star trek (mostly, expect the shields so far). Aliens was a sci-fi cause the technology represented within it was based on present achievments.
So, whatever the physic deemed possible is sci-fi whenever what it's deemed impossible is fantasy (like eldar dudes and their webway).
To feature spacecraft that could e.g. dimension-jump IS fantasy.
So Isaac Asimov wrote fantasy novels? 
EDIT: and star wars is fantasy too?
EDIT2: anything that isn't hard science fiction doesn't make it fantasy, you know. 
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Duke_Falcon
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posted May 15, 2011 08:38 PM |
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No. Sci-fi is based upon present-bound technological possibilities, like Star trek (mostly, expect the shields so far). Aliens was a sci-fi cause the technology represented within it was based on present achievments.
So, whatever the physic deemed possible is sci-fi whenever what it's deemed impossible is fantasy (like eldar dudes and their webway).
To feature spacecraft that could e.g. dimension-jump IS fantasy.
So Isaac Asimov wrote fantasy novels?
EDIT: and star wars is fantasy too?
EDIT2: anything that isn't hard science fiction doesn't make it fantasy, you know.
Maybe you right.
But Asimov DO wrote hard sci-fis. Everything within them is quite possible (wanna be a spacer, dammit).
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DagothGares
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posted May 15, 2011 08:40 PM |
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Space ships exceed the speed of light in Asimov's foundation novels IIRC.
EDIT: Come on, Duke, let's get our science on!
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posted May 15, 2011 08:48 PM |
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That's the weakest point of almost every story! Just think of LotR, where they could jump on an eagle, fly into Mordor and drop the f**ked ring into the vulcan... But no, they went around the whole Middleearth!
Wouldn't have worked, Sauron had spies everywhere including birds and beasts. Before too long they'd have the Nazgul on their tail and that wouldn't have gone well.
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posted May 15, 2011 08:51 PM |
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You mean FTL?
Light is wave and particle in the same time. If it will be only wave then it could be faster. Or if it could be only particle it will be the same. Modern physic known particles that could be faster than light what makes them almost uncatchable (use very big underground "swimming-pools" cause the random directionally moving water molecules have the biggest chance to collode with them).
The speed of light is not the final limit just another milestone.
And there is something with a 30g acceleration out of a solar systems gravity well could cause short jump or something if something reach the speed of light. This is some kind of hyper-jump as the common people may call it but effectively it is not cause the "jumping" do not leave the normal space just become invisible cause the breaking of the lightspeed.
But this is rather comlicated because there were wrote something about matter-integrity and other stuffs. This kind of physic is not the one I read every day and it was very long time (2-3 years) ago I read it somewhere (Hawking was it, maybe?)...
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posted May 15, 2011 08:58 PM |
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Sauron's Eye is an anti-aircraft gun.
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Cepheus
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posted May 15, 2011 09:16 PM |
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EDIT: and star wars is fantasy too?
Star Wars sure is fantasy, science fantasy at best. But this isn't a derogative fact. It's just that renaming magic into "the Force" isn't much of a saving grace.
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posted May 15, 2011 09:31 PM |
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Okay another question of the night:
Is Bioshock Sci-fi or steampunk? or is it both?
I had this discussion with some friends, I claimed that it was sci-fi, and they claimed that is was steampunk...
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Adrius
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posted May 15, 2011 09:34 PM |
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It's both, cuz steampunk is sci-fi.
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posted May 15, 2011 09:40 PM |
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in my fantasy and sci-fi universes, I have worked a lot on that magic etc should scientifically make sense
since my mum likes big rockets she's a rocket scientist so she knows about science!
oh, and in the fantasy universe, life was created from magic which came from space which came from the big bang
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posted May 15, 2011 09:42 PM |
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since my mum likes big rockets she's a rocket scientist so she knows about science!
Uh oh...
Blizz is probably boarding a flight to Sweden at this very minute
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Cepheus
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posted May 15, 2011 09:43 PM |
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Bioshock Infinite is unquestionably steampunk, but wouldn't necessarily apply that label to the other two games.
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posted May 15, 2011 09:57 PM |
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Well, if Mordor's eye could spot any bird, it "magically" missed two hobbits doing a crawl throughout their land. So much for all-seeing part. As most plots, this one was rather naive - iirc, don't remember much from last, weakest (imho) tome.
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DagothGares
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posted May 15, 2011 10:46 PM |
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Well, if Mordor's eye could spot any bird, it "magically" missed two hobbits doing a crawl throughout their land. So much for all-seeing part. As most plots, this one was rather naive - iirc, don't remember much from last, weakest (imho) tome.
The whole idea of attacking Mordor was to keep that eye distracted. And a big bird like those isn't exactly as subtle as hobbits crawling through a mountain and a land lined with cracks.
Anyway, DF I would appreciate it, if you'd stop putting up a tight plot as the most important part of a story. It makes my neck hairs stand on end.
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Doomforge
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posted May 15, 2011 10:58 PM |
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couldn't they use a small bird then? If the eye was distracted, it didn't matter much anyway, as any bird would be smaller than two hobbits (and much faster/harder to slay).
I know plot holes aren't really that horrible in overall enjoyment. However I think some of them are quite silly and sort of ruin the suspense (at least for me  ) when instead of getting immersed in the book I stop and start thinking why on earth didn't they do X or Y that sounds 1 million times more logical 
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DagothGares
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posted May 15, 2011 11:01 PM |
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Yeah, but if you're thinking that, then the writer has failed in other departments as well, because you, like the eye of sauron, need to be ditracted by the wonderful story-telling and intriguing characters, so you don't think about the little things.
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