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posted August 13, 2011 02:46 PM |
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Lol Duke lets first establish efficient space travel in our own system before we start to develop FTL drives  , one step at a time, also first we should achieve a healthy lifestyle for every man woman and child on this planet, before we even attempt to colonise/explore new planets. 
Then we would never colonize another planet. Everyone will not live a healthy lifestyle regardless of if they know how to and have the ability to.
The space program has brought a lot of benefits to mankind in the way of spin off technologies and applications of technologies newly discovered. Technologies needed to colonize Mars would be no different. They could have application in terraforming earth's desserts perhaps or making cold regions like Antarctica more liveable.
Additionally, in exploring other planets, you never know what new resources you may discover or perhaps even discover treasure troves of knowledge of an ancient alien race. The world can't be put on hold until mankind all loves each other and wants to live in a healthy manner. We should press on with exploration of space and colonization of Mars should be a near term goal.
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posted August 13, 2011 02:53 PM |
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I don't think however that the lack of good gravity is that much of a deal.
Health issues and atmosphere escaping to space is not a big deal?
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posted August 13, 2011 03:13 PM |
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Oh right I forgot about the atmosphere part. :S
The health problem is obviously a big deal, I'm just trying to say that it is such a common problem in space and on various celestial bodies that people must find a viable solution for it.
However as I write this, those solutions would most likely suck since they probably won't help the entire planet. :/
But at any rate, you're right. Mars might have too many problems. I used to think that Venus would be a good candidate, though I had no idea about the long days. 
I also agree with Elodin, we can't wait for world peace.
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posted August 13, 2011 03:20 PM |
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The long nights would mean no plant life, and in fact no terraforming. We could live in a wasteland, maybe even breathable but without any eye-catching life, and we'd have to wear protective suits all the time to not die of space radiation, and that assuming the planet would be cooled from 450 celcius degrees to something reasonable. Without plants or animals, there would be no food so you'd have to get it from earth, and that kinda kills the purpose. The planet is useless unfortunately. At least now Speeding it up and cooling it down is beyond humanity right now.
Mars would be fine for terraforming is it wasn't so light.
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posted August 14, 2011 02:22 AM |
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I doubt we humans can take the huge responibility of terraforming. I very much doubt that we could keep such an enormous project going on for thousands of years.
But you could try making some "green zones" I guess.
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gnomes2169
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posted August 14, 2011 02:46 AM |
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I find myself (strangely) agreeing with Elodin. :/ If we wait for the human race (or any earthly species) to mature enough emotionally to be without war and suffering, then we will never leave this drifting ball of rock. Our species will likely die out long before then. Besides, some competition for establishing the first colony on Mars would have people of different countries working that much harder to be the first to make it to a new, uninhabited place, untouched by man. Bragging rights, national pride and all drive people to succeed.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 14, 2011 02:53 AM |
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Thats a little vague gnomes, Elodin says many things. Edit: nvm you updated your post .
Also all I meant was if we cant even make the best with what we got, here on earth, then there is absolutely no point in spacetravel, no objective common objetive, "for fun" eh?
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gnomes2169
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posted August 14, 2011 02:57 AM |
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For fun, for survival, whatever works. *shrugs* As long as the human race develops space travel so that it doesn't stagnate and die out on one planet that runs out of resources, I'm good.
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posted August 14, 2011 03:50 AM |
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Also I did not mean 'end to wars' and 'world peace' I am no fool, I said healthy lifestyle, parhaps I should've defined my personal interpretation of 'healthy'.
In hungarian the word for healthy is 'egészséges', but it directly translates to the phrase 'to be whole'.
And IMO Earth needs healthy leadership, healthy families and healthy education, though it is impossible to make the entire world 'healthy', a single percent makes all the difference, but the objective still should be the entire planet, regardless of whether it is deemed as unachievable, because people don't know what they're capable of .
Anyway any country that has those 3, has everything and I deem it whealthier by far then any country wrought with gold and silver.
This is what humanity should be working towards, and not trying to run away from the problems, foolishly thinking they can escape that which will follow them to any corner of this world.
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Elodin
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posted September 18, 2012 04:34 AM |
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Faster than Light drives are perhaps more feasible than previously thought.
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If FTL drives are developed would that make you more inclined to think the Earth could have been visited by extraterrestrials? What changes do you think would result if a FTL starship were produced?
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posted September 18, 2012 05:26 AM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 05:37, 18 Sep 2012.
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In hungarian the word for healthy is 'egészséges', but it directly translates to the phrase 'to be whole'.
Hmm, you sure hungarians dont worship Alien devices that turn people into monsters?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr-MMPVp8No
I always knew that hungarians were creepy
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And IMO Earth needs healthy leadership, healthy families and healthy education, though it is impossible to make the entire world 'healthy', a single percent makes all the difference, but the objective still should be the entire planet, regardless of whether it is deemed as unachievable, because people don't know what they're capable of .
True, true...
Humanity needs some rethinking if it wants to survive long enough on this planet. We have comet threats,global warming, a slumbering supervolcano,magnetic reversal and perhaps the possible danger of a gamma ray burst hitting earth.
As a species, we need to do some evolutionary steps in order to survive such dangers.
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posted September 18, 2012 07:44 AM |
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Space exploration can potentially be justified, despite the heavy cost, because of factors like peak phosphorus that could entail a catastrophic ****storm within the century. With no decent fertilizers, crops go to **** (relatively speaking). The cost of extraterrestrial mining might be comical right now, but with rare earth elements eventually likely posing a bigger issue than fossil fuels, that could put things into perspective. Or those new hybrid cars & trains that are suppose to eventually save the world like a boss? Lithium, with a side order of moar lithium. Don't expect it get better either. There's massive rising markets from middle and upper classes in China, India, and South America, and I wouldn't expect them to wholly martyr themselves on the altar of environmental frugality. I mean I know I wouldn't. I like toys.
We must go to the moon and desecrate its lunar beauty for the good of all mankind.
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posted October 17, 2012 09:08 PM |
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Paraplegics may soon be able to walk with exoskeleton tech being developed for astronauts.
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Iron Man's got nothing on NASA, it seems.
Evolved from Robonaut 2’s technology and the Institute for Human and Machine Cognition's Mina exoskeleton, the 57-pound wearable robot X1 can assist or inhibit movement in leg joints. In space, it could be a sort of exercise machine using the inhibit mode to resist the astronaut’s leg movement. On the ground, X1 could help some walk for the first time, supporting movement rather than resisting it.
In both cases, it's remarkable.
The rapidly developed spinoff project X1 is worn over the legs with a harness that comes up the user’s back and around his or her shoulders. Currently, there are four motorized joints at the hips and the knees with ten-degree range. In addition, there are six passive joints to turn, point, flex and sidestep.
IHMC is most interested in assisted walking, and preliminary studies are already underway. By combining the company’s algorithms for walking with NASA’s tech, X1 can climb stairs and assist walking over varied terrain.
From rehabilitation to modifying gait and offloading heavy weight, the range of applications is nothing short of amazing.
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posted October 17, 2012 09:31 PM |
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They see paraplegic assistance.
I see first step towards Space Marine power armor.
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posted October 18, 2012 12:55 AM |
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For colonizing other planets we should start right here on earth. If we can colonize the ocean, it would be a huge step in being able to colonize other planets.
To start colonizing, and to terraform you first will need to build domes. Start a farm (with plants) and build up an atmosphere inside a dome. Expand, repeat. Once enough of the surface is in fact covered by life and such we might be able to establish an atmosphere on another planet. To perfect and test these domes, however, under the ocean is the best first stage place.
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posted October 18, 2012 01:40 AM |
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NASA is looking at plans for a "deep space" station "parked" on the other side of the moon at a libration point (place where the gravitational attraction of the earth and moon cancel each other out.)
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There appears to be support within NASA to position astronauts at an Earth-moon libration point to bolster the space agency’s plans of pushing beyond low-Earth orbit with its Orion spacecraft design.
Anchoring hardware and a crew at the Earth-moon L2 "gateway" would offer many benefits, advocates say. One of them is building on multinational cooperation honed at the International Space Station (ISS).
Under review is use of Russian-supplied hardware at the L2 point, according to insiders contacted by SPACE.com. Surplus space shuttle gear and ISS-flight-ready spares are also in the mix.
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A recent Orlando Sentinel newspaper story kick-started the perception that NASA officials have picked a leading candidate for the agency’s next major mission: creation of a "gateway spacecraft" parked at the Earth-moon libration point 2, also known as EML-2.
Indeed, NASA has spotlighted the fact that, as crewed missions extend farther from Earth and for longer periods of time, they will require new capabilities to enable safe and sustainable habitation and exploration.
As reported by SPACE.com earlier this year, a Feb. 3 memo from William Gerstenmaier, NASA’s associate administrator for human exploration and operations, noted that a team would be formed to develop a cohesive plan for exploring the EML-2 spot in space.
Libration points, also known as Lagrangian points, are places in space where the combined gravitational pull of two large masses roughly balance each other out, allowing spacecraft to essentially "park" there.
But whether a true decision has been made, or NASA is floating a trial balloon, is unclear. Space agency balloons have been burst before.
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posted October 18, 2012 02:19 AM |
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For colonizing other planets we should start right here on earth.
Earth?
Earth is already colonized and before you say, no oceans, mountains and volcanos should not be colonized for many reasons.
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If we can colonize the ocean, it would be a huge step in being able to colonize other planets.
No.
"Colonizing" oceans is a completely other endeavor and is not even comparable to colonizing other planets or moons.
Oceans have water, salt, and oxygen. You cant find any of them in,lets say, Mars. At least, not in amounts that would be enough.
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To start colonizing, and to terraform you first will need to build domes. Start a farm (with plants) and build up an atmosphere inside a dome. Expand, repeat. Once enough of the surface is in fact covered by life and such we might be able to establish an atmosphere on another planet.
No.
To start a farm you need water and suitable ground. Mars has dead ground, that is, even water and whatever minerals would not help in making plants there. We also will run short of plant fertilizers on earth. Colonuzing mars without phosphorus would be plain impossible, even with imported "Earth".
Also, lets not forget that our candidate, Mars, has no magnetosphere.
Except those domes, nothing would prevent the sun killing you with solar wind.
And lastly, micro metorites. Mars has no real atmopshere. With no atmosphere, small objects can easily rain down.
I magine a 100000 KM/h meteorite the size of a baseball could do.
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posted October 18, 2012 08:59 AM |
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Sorry I will have to say "Duh, of course it is different". However, the ocean has its own problems with being colonized. Learning how to overcome them will be a step in the right direction. The pressure of the water against the dome, leaks (etc). True, it is not like colonizing a planet devoid of life..but again I never intended for anybody to think it was. It is, however, a good STARTING point.
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posted October 18, 2012 09:03 PM |
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It is, however, a good STARTING point.
No it is not.
Colonizing an ocean brings nothing of an advantage to this planet.
You already agreed that colonizing an ocean is different, so what relevance does ocean colonizing have to do with planet colonizing?
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posted October 18, 2012 09:11 PM |
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It's a challenge, and hell, if you can't tame all forms of habitat on THIS planet, how the hell can you hope to colonize to any degree an alien environment?
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