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Thread: The Descendants
Duke_Falcon
Duke_Falcon


Disgraceful
Supreme Hero
posted May 27, 2011 05:00 PM
Edited by Duke_Falcon at 20:25, 15 Jun 2011.

The Descendants (with changes!)

OK. This is my try to create a HoMM VI faction.
Please be gently as I'm quite new in this theme as H5 left out of my life

THE CHANGES ARE IN THE END OF THIS POST!

  The Descendants are exactly what their faction name tells: Broodlings and offsprings of various forgotten or cursed creatures. They live hidden in the misty regions of the world, scattered troughout the realms. Every city is autonomous they haven't any central government or ruler since hundreds of years (means no capitol could be built for them). They are a banded-together faction where certain creatures even hates each other passionately!
  As a decentralized faction the Descendants start with -1 moral and can't get more than +1 moral (expect the sprites). The hiring cost of their unit is high as they are selfish snows and not mercenaries. Their chaotic nature, while they breed faster than others, cause immense infights which results the death of 50% of their dwelled populations at every month's end. Furthermore they have only melee units and their troops suffer 5% more damage from missile weapons.
  Every tier of the Descendants have the ability that their populations growt faster (10%) than of other factions.

Their colour scheme is varying from the colours of darker to lighter as there is presented every alignment. They, however prefer white and black above everything else. The factions insignia is a black scematic eagle in a bright red background while the eagle holds a dagger in both of its legs.

Lore
The Descendants is a mistery of every scholars of the realms as they are hardly a faction on themselves. Many thinks they are a bunch of creatures chaotically mixed\banded together as there is absolutely no visible cause why they are together.
However there's the mistery of their leaders, the scorpion-folk whom called as Progenitors. Some whispers an ancient legend that in the very far past the Progenitors were the rulers of the world and fought bloody wars with the dragons. After thousand years of bloodshed the dragons finally defeated the Progenitors whom disbanded to evade extermination. Everyone thought they were extinct but they had only waited. Waited the time of their vengeance upon the dragons and their reclaim of their old empire.
Under the passing centuries they gathered lots of creatures together to form a chaotic, twisted and unreliable force what must be count with. And now they see an opportunity to retake their heritage! Now they drop into battle their armies of diabolic nightmares!

Line-up (Idea thx for Nightterror)
  The Descendants have the options to choice from two dwellings on certain tiers. These dwellings however are mutually exclusives so if you build up one of them you can't build the other one in the same town!
    CORE
Tier 1:
Nightsprite => Nightsprite kindjal
Tier 2:
Gilled lizard => Frilled basilisk
Tier 3:
White vixen => Freeze vixen
OR
Ancient guard => Shinigami
    ELITE
Tier 4:
Widow => Vela
Tier 5:
Dragonspawn => Sherincal
OR
Enslaver => Mindbender
Tier 6:
Wraith => Wraith seductress
    CHAMPION
Tier 7:
Scoloscorpio => Stinger

Core units (the mass)

Nightsprite => Nightsprite kindjal

    Nightsprite

    Nightsprite kindjal
The nightsprites are the devious and evil descendants of the common faeries. They have a devious and twisted manner and a special likeness to torture their captives before they use them as slaves. Nightsprites are about 1-1.5 meter high, have a grey skin yellow eyes and bluish hair and facial (and deeper there) hair. Their wings rememberes remotely the wonderfully coloured butterfly wings of their distant cousins as theirs are dark and leathery with bright markings that shows 'Danger!'... Their specially trained members called kindjal named after a dangerous dagger-type weapon. They are fast and furious, their mere battle-prowess could shock their enemies and give them time to flee the battle as fast as they get into it.
Specs.:
- Mutual hatred: Hates dragonspawns passionately therefore if they are in the same army they give each other -1 moral.
- Hated kind: Suffer 50% more damage from other faeries and elves.
- Flyer: Can't blocked by obstackles or units.
- Faeryfolk: Have good morale and 10% magic resistence. Cannot be blessed!
- Hit-and-run: They can return their starting position after they attacked.
- Lightning-strike (upg.): Attacks twice and return without retaliation triggered...

Gilled lizard => Frilled basilisk

    Gilled lizard (forget the latin name you see on the pic)

    Frilled basilisk
Descendants of the well known lizards of the dark elves. Their bite is poisonous and their skin is thick. The gilled lizard looks like a common earth basilisk with frill-like gills on it's neck whereas the frilled basilisk have full frill-collar with bright markings. Under the passing centuries they lost the ability to walk or run on two legs.
Specs.:
- Reptile: +1 to primary stats if they fight in swamp or desert but -1 to primary stats if they fight in snow.
- Poison-bite: 30% chance that the attacked stack get poisoned with a slow poison (the attacked stack lost 10% of its HP).
- Petri-poison (upg.): If the attacked stack didn't poisoned there is another 30% chance they will be petrified (only works without poisoning but a poisoned stack can be petrified in another attack).

White vixen => Freeze vixen

    White vixen

    Freeze vixen
The vixens are special kind of daemons whom borned from the cold instead the fiery hot. They are very seductive and likely playing with other races males just for their own amusement. They looks like beautyfull, busty-boobed daemon girls with extremely bright skin and a cold pair of eye. Their horns are as numerous as old the vixen, the older vixens have more and better developed horns. They hate the nightsprites passionately because the sprites pretty appearence.
Specs.:
- Dubbed as snows: They considered snows by other daemons and suffer 50% more damage from them.
- Daemonic: Have an evil aura that degrade adjacents stacks morale (friend or foe alike, -2 morale if nightsprite is the adjacent stack).
- Coldspawn: 20% resistance against cold and water magic
- Freezing touch: The targeted stack will be slowed .
- Icestorm (upg.): 20% chance the targeted stack become frozen (like petrification but frozen stack can be heal by dispell).

Ancient guard => Shinigami

    Ancient guard

    Shinigami
They were among the first servants of the Progenitors. Part construct and part humanoid creatures with unparalleled zeal for their masters. While ancient guards are trained warriors, their shinigami brethren are much more assasins than toe-to-toe fighters.
Specs.:
- Inspiration: Gives +1 moral to friendly stacks (dragonspawns are unaffected).
- Zeal: Cannot be cursed.
- Iron will: Cannot be hypnotised.
- Shadow dance (upg.): Enemy player cannot seen them until they attack, not trigger retaliation. If don't attack in the next turn followed it's attack turn it turns again invisible.

Elite (the backbone)

Widow => Vela

    Widow

    Vela
These charming creatures are the unholy union of a cursed daemon and elves or humans. They are agil, strong creatures swinging and spinning through the battlefield to harass their prey. The widows or fully spider widows are the kind of more humanoid blood in their veins and got only 1 or 2 pairs of spider legs growed from their back. The velas have more daemonic blood, as their name suggest, they are true half-daemons. Velas have 4 pairs of spiderlegs grow from their back. Both race use captured victims to breed as every member of their race is female. As any good spider they ate their mate after the copulation.
Specs.:
- Mutual hatred: Hates enslavers\mindbendres passionately therefore if they are in the same army they give each other -1 moral.
- Seductive aura: The attacked stack become 'seduced' and it's defend lowered by 2.
- Catch-me-if-you-can!: After they attack a stack they have 50% chance to attack another instantly.
- Feel-my-talons! (upg.): Every adjacent unit will be damaged no matter if they are friend or foe...

Dragonspawn => Sherincal

    Dragonspawn

    Sherincal
Halfbreeds of humanoid\dragon unions. They are strong and resist magic. Both of them is humanoid in appearence with certain draconic features like scales, tail or wings. However they partly dragons they haven't got the dragons breath attack. They use their claws or normal weapons in combat but many of them is a gifted magic-user. They mate both dragons and humanoids just like with each other to produce offspirngs. While they mate like humanoids do they lay eggs after the fertilization.
Specs.:
- Freak of natures!: Suffer 50% more damage from orcs.
- Mutual hatred: Hates nightsprites passionately therefore if they are in the same army they give each other -1 moral.
- Bloodthirsty: These units can't wait, they must move or attack (cannot defend or pause).
- Flyer: Cannot be blocked by obstackles or units.
- Draconic heritage: 80% magic resistance, immune to fire.
- Draconic anger (upg.): 50% chance to do triple damage, 75% chance to do double damage.

Enslaver => Mindbender

    Enslaver

    Mindbender
These aberrated, twisted creatures are abandoned results of crazy magical experiments. They aren't natural evolved but created with wicked magic and as so they can't reproduce just magically. However their new Progenitor masters known the necessary spells to dwell them. The enslaver is a brutal and strong fighting machine plants dread into their victims hearth. The mindbender on the other hand is weaker than the enslaver but strong in mind. With it's twisted powers the mindbender could controll other creatures mind...
Specs.:
- Magical deviations: Suffer 25% more damage from everyone who alledged by the wizards.
- Mutual hatred: Hates widows\velas passionately therefore if they are in the same army they give each other -1 moral.
- Spellborn: 50% magic resistance
- Unnatural senses: Retaliate before attacked like it has a first strike, catch their attackers in complete surprise.
- Mindbend (upg.): Take controll over an enemy stack (mind spell resistance downgrade it's success by 50%) until that stacks death, mindbending another stack or the domination expires. Can use this ability only 3 times\battle and the dominating duration is only two turn!

Wraith => Wraith seductress

    Wraiths

    Wraith seductress
They are no living nor dead but they aren't undead. They are the perfect shock troops in good hands. Their basic ability is self-healing (like trolls or wights\wraiths in H3). Their appearence is purely humanoid and really attractive for other species. The bulk of the wraiths are male as they are the weaker from the two genders while the females are the leaders. Their name wraith originates from the vixen whom labelled them as that when the two race first met with each other. The wraiths skin is green, grey or blue and they have a pair of small gills. They are trained warriors whom could use every kind of weapons but they prefer to use their bare hands to cause pain for their opponents.
Specs.:
- Eternal hunger: The stacks HP lowered with 2% every combat turn (non-healable, like the Ghost drag's ageing in H3). After the battle the stacks HP return to normal.
- Regeneration: Heal themselves fully in the end of the turn.
- Quick-healing wounds: They soak 15% of the caused damage.
- Energy stealer: Whenever they attack an enemy stack they steal 25% health point over their normal damage (like Vamp lords in H3 but they can't ressurrect themselves).
- Commando (upg.): Cannot be blocked by units or obstackles (like if she will be a flyer) and have 25% chance that do not trigger retaliation.

Champion (Goro! Goro! Goro!)

Scoloscorpio => Stinger

    Scoloscorpio

    Stinger
Ancient creatures whom survived the bypassing eons. They are the champions of the Descendants, they are the Progenitors... Their exoskeleton is stick so they received only 75% of the caused damage. These creatures feel deep hatred towards the dragonspawns as they had a feud against dragons in the far past.
Specs.:
- Archenemies: Suffer 25% more damage from dragons but cause 10% more damage to dragons. If there are any dragons in the battlefield than both creatures suffer -1 moral.
- Exoskeleton: They soak 25% of the caused damage.
Ancient being: 50% resistance against mind spells 20% resistance against other spells.
- Sting: 50% chance that they can sting their enemies what cause instant death of 5% of the stinged stack (if the sting is successfull at least 1 creatures die in every case, so in a matter that a 1 creature stack is stinged it dies).
- Scorp-limbs (upg.): Attack every adjacent units but only the stack in front of the stinger could retaliate.

Heroes
The Descendants, as they lack of central rule, started with a random hero of a random faction, because they have no heroes on their own. To balance this feature they can hire heroes for half of the original hiring cost but they can't hire more than 3 heroes\week as their reputation is to bad to attract heroes.


CHANGES:

I thought about that the nightsprites become tier 3 units (exchange the ice daemonettes) and tier 1 units may be those:
    Cockatrice => Fiery cockatrice

Cockatrice

Fiery cockatrice
The cockatrices are little vicious creatures from the putrid jungles of the forgotten lands. These birdlike predators hunts in great packs and try to overwhelming their preys. Some of their breeds have poisonous bites.
- Quick hunter: Fly-attack-and-return. However the attacked stack could retaliate for them.
- Poisonous bite (upg.): The fiery cockatrices weaken their targets with their vicious poison they inject within them (like the dragonflies did in H3)...

And as an alternate tier 5 units (exchange both optional tier 5 creature lines) may be this:
    Cave vulture => Hook horror

Cave vulture (sorry, broken image...working on it, promise!)

Hook horror
These misterious beasts are originate from the lightless depths of the earth. Perfect predators of the lightless realms of caverns and tunnels these nearly blind beasts could hear the smallest noises. Tales said that those beasts could hear a simple hearthbeat from almost 300 feets distance and could track it without hesitation and failure. Perfect creatures for evil powers but their bestial instincts are hard to handle!
- Almost blind: If fighting in sunlight these creatures suffer -1 penalty from their primary skills.
- Chitinous carapace: Ranged attack do only 1/3 damage against them but fire magic do double damage upon them.
- Sharp-hooks (upg.): Ignores 30% of the attacked stacks defense skill (like behemoths in H3).

As many of these creatures are seems to be very strong I thought that the creatures over tier 3 may have 15-20% less HP than average creatures from the same tier levels...
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DarkLord
DarkLord


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Fear me..
posted May 27, 2011 05:03 PM

!Boobies!

... sorry for that

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Elvin
Elvin


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Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
posted May 27, 2011 05:07 PM

God damn you darklord I was about to say the same thing!

Wow those look really good. The pics, I mean the pics! Interesting idea too though I have not read their lore and how they are connected yet.
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Duke_Falcon
Duke_Falcon


Disgraceful
Supreme Hero
posted May 27, 2011 05:10 PM

All picture is my exclusive creation!
Enjoyed to draw many of them...
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Warlord
Warlord


Famous Hero
Lord of Image Spam
posted May 27, 2011 05:11 PM

Why so many females?
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Duke_Falcon
Duke_Falcon


Disgraceful
Supreme Hero
posted May 27, 2011 05:13 PM

Quote:
Why so many females?



Don't understand the question...


...




Because I like females?
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Avirosb
Avirosb


Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
posted May 27, 2011 05:39 PM

I accidentally misread Nightsprite as 'Nightterror'

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alcibiades
alcibiades


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
posted May 27, 2011 05:49 PM

Quote:
!Boobies!

... sorry for that

Disturbingly, that was also my thought when I saw this.
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Shenjairo
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Simsalabim
posted May 27, 2011 07:12 PM

Overall the faction is way too powerful, especially the champion. It would win a 1 vs 1 fight even without its death ability. As for other abilities, attacking two times without retaliation or having a 50% chance to do another attack is also too much. That plus having bigger creature growth than other factions just can't work.

It's just not your faction, there are some other factions that also have balancing problems, just first time commenting on it now. It's hard to not create a faction of your own just a little bit better than the others since no one would want to put time and effort into creating a faction and having it be the worst one. Balance is a thin line and easy to cross, just a bit bigger leap here than some of the others.

Kudos on doing original artwork though, could never do that myself.
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4st3risk
4st3risk

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posted May 27, 2011 07:15 PM

And the sponsor of this thread is "Hormonal Bursts" Inc.
Hormonal Bursts - they think for us!

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Duke_Falcon
Duke_Falcon


Disgraceful
Supreme Hero
posted May 27, 2011 07:25 PM

Quote:
Overall the faction is way too powerful, especially the champion. It would win a 1 vs 1 fight even without its death ability. As for other abilities, attacking two times without retaliation or having a 50% chance to do another attack is also too much. That plus having bigger creature growth than other factions just can't work.

It's just not your faction, there are some other factions that also have balancing problems, just first time commenting on it now. It's hard to not create a faction of your own just a little bit better than the others since no one would want to put time and effort into creating a faction and having it be the worst one. Balance is a thin line and easy to cross, just a bit bigger leap here than some of the others.

Kudos on doing original artwork though, could never do that myself.


I'm still balancing it so every feedback is welcomed!
They now have certain disadvantages as well.
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HappySkeleton
HappySkeleton


Adventuring Hero
Dead happy
posted May 27, 2011 07:43 PM

I like the faction. Its cool and original. The only thing is that most of the pictures did not load up, even when I tried to copy the link into the browser. But because God is a friend, he was so nice that the only picture that showed up was the vixen
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xerox
xerox


Promising
Undefeatable Hero
posted May 27, 2011 08:18 PM

Nice pictures but you should seriously consider getting rid of all the completly random "X% chance" passive abilities.
If it was a real game, it would just add imbalance and an active ability is much more fun to use than a passive one.
Having lots of random abilities doesn't add any strategy.
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Duke_Falcon
Duke_Falcon


Disgraceful
Supreme Hero
posted May 27, 2011 08:26 PM

@Xerox
The passive abilities are directs 'cause this faction is decentralized and chaotic. Any active ability will break their utterly chaotic image. They even fight among themselves and many units have negative effects upon their own comrades. They are chaotic until the very extreme...

@Nightterror
I wanna keep the wraiths and the velas. And the dragonspawns intended as males just I haven't any male draconite picture so I insert a female one. The draconite and the vixen are weak points but now I just haven't any idea what may I change them... If I ever change them...
Just dunno yet...
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MrDragon
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Eats people with Ketchup
posted May 27, 2011 09:04 PM
Edited by MrDragon at 14:32, 28 May 2011.

I had the same problem with my Chaos themed faction.
I got around it by not thinking "Chaos = Random" but instead "Chaos = Change" and that really made it easier to design the faction with balance in mind.
Because Xerox is right, this faction is FAR to reliant on RNG, it's completely and totaly impossible to balance.


Also, for my taste, despite the 6 (admittedly very different) humanoids, the faction seems to be lacking a unified theme and feel, like they are seven creatures just slapped together to make a faction (as a figure of speach).
This could be fixed by writting lore that clearly ties them together, convince me that they truly are allies.

I really like the art, but I just don't "feel" the faction... a bit vague I know.. but I can't really explain it.
And yeah... a few girls less would be better I think, try to have no more then 3 I'd say.

Just my two copper pieces, maybe it's just not my taste.


Edit: TYRRANIDS! <3
Love Nids almost as much as I love Zerg, and I LOVE ZERG.
Would need to diversify the design though, HV ripped off Games Workshop enough.
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Duke_Falcon
Duke_Falcon


Disgraceful
Supreme Hero
posted May 28, 2011 10:42 PM
Edited by Duke_Falcon at 10:37, 30 May 2011.

Quote:
I like the faction. Its cool and original. The only thing is that most of the pictures did not load up, even when I tried to copy the link into the browser. But because God is a friend, he was so nice that the only picture that showed up was the vixen


If you or someone else wanna see more, go here:
My art thread, where you could watch and comment if you like so...

BTW

I still working on this faction (especially on names and thinking some active ability as so many of you suggested)... So give some time and feedbacks and I promise I try to make something not-so-terrible from this load of crap...

EDIT:
Edited some stats and other things... Think it is far from perfect but hope it better now...
@ Nightterror
The scorpions are all males just the illustration shows the first as female (have only one male illustration so far). And about the wraiths... They are my personal favourites so I really wanna keep them
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Avirosb
Avirosb


Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
posted May 30, 2011 10:40 AM

Nice Tyranids

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MattII
MattII


Legendary Hero
posted June 15, 2011 10:05 PM

You're a fan of Stargate I take it.

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castiel_789
castiel_789


Adventuring Hero
posted June 16, 2011 03:18 AM

we have a movie fan here

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