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Heroes Community > Turban Tribunal > Thread: Tavern vs Volcanic?
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Aculias
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posted June 06, 2011 03:37 PM
Edited by Aculias at 15:40, 06 Jun 2011.

Tavern vs Volcanic?

I am really curious about the difference between the Tavern & the Volcanic Wastelands?
Yall can post it back in the wastelands if ya like, but this is for the mods.
It all seems similar if you look at it, of course more nonsense being in the Volcanic.

History lesson, Volcanic was only created for pending deleted threads.
Now it seems that is not really the case as much

Look at the definition, it is all offtopic to Heroes of might & magic.

I am guessing the nonsense goes into the Volcanic & it's original purpose is not used as much.
As far as I can see, alot of topics are nonsense in both threads.
I also seen good threads in the Volcanic as well.

Unless there is a big difference between them, do we really need two of them?
Or change the definition of one of them?

The tavern used to be fun, but lately it got alot stricter, like you are not allowed to post anything, unless it has mod approval that it is a thread worthy of it.
It used to be like the Volcanic & tavern combined.


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posted June 06, 2011 03:40 PM

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As far as I can see, alot of topics are nonsense in both threads.


Only cause I'm not in the tavern
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Aculias
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posted June 06, 2011 04:02 PM

Good Answer lol.

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posted June 06, 2011 04:06 PM

In the Tavern I tend to try and respect the OP's topic and not de-rail it too much.

In the VW it's free for all.

That's about the only distinction I make really
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Aculias
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posted June 06, 2011 05:25 PM

So basically there is no difference really, except when Mytical does not want it in the tavern

I was not on for years at times, I dont even know when the Volcanic changed from delete pending to crazyness hehe
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posted June 06, 2011 06:22 PM

Never the Wastelands. Never the option that isn't the Tavern.
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posted June 07, 2011 07:50 AM

Wastelands: Where outright insulting/ dumb/ old/ funny threads go. No topic continuity after page 3. Generally, rather funny/ witty.

Tavern: Light humor, but somewhat serious. A place where treads are supposed to stay on-topic or close to it. Topics generally live for a long time there. (See Comic of the Day)

Differences as I see them...
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posted January 16, 2012 11:29 PM
Edited by dragon_slayer at 23:32, 16 Jan 2012.

I know its been a while...

But that doesnt mean I don't know what goes on around here. Being one of the few members who remember what hc was like without the wastelands, ive developed strong opinions on the tavern and the vw.

Where do I start. Well let me give you an example. Ever walked past a night club and seen a huge line In front? You're curious so you go inside, only to find the place is relatively empty. It got you inside didn't it? The same goes for online forums. The tavern is no longer the bustling place it used to be. yeah yeah so those of you old to remember will probably complain that its all been said before bla bla bla, whatever.

Fact 1: as annoying as it was making a new thread and within an hour it had already been pushed back to page 3, deep down you loved the activity.

Fact 2: im aware it was busy because people were still smashing H3 and eagerly anticipated H4.

Fact 3: The Vw is full of some quality stuff id rather see in the tavern.

Like aculias said, the vw was origionally intended as a place for dying threads from the tavern and crap. Well I for one would like to see the vw as a place only for dead threads. There's no reason a 50 page thread should be there, even if it is just random chit chat. This also raises another topic of a lack of moderation in the tavern especially. Im not making any personal attacks at any mods, as the two im refering to happen to be my favorite mods. But really, check the last posts from pan and shadow.

You want an idea? Re-merge the two forums. Ok so there might be more crap for mods in the tavern to filter through, but that's their job. Many newcomers may not know, but once upon a time, I used to be a mod here too. I read every thread in my forum. The vw should be a place for mods to move tavern spam once the thread is no longer generating replies.

Nobody likes spam, but anyone from years past will tell you that when the forums were split, the tavern took a steady decline in activity. Im not expecting too much feedback to this. There just doesn't seem to be any members or mods anymore who care about these issues. Anyways im out, take care all
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Corribus
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posted January 16, 2012 11:46 PM

Here's how I see the OSM, Tavern and VW.  All are for general off-topic, discussions of real-life.

OSM: For threads about discussion of current events, views of real life issues, discussion of philosophy, etc.  Education articles should go here.

Tavern: For threads about personal stories, discussion of personal likes, dislikes, etc.  Talk about things that happen to HC members in real life.  

VW: Everything else.  Meaningless chit-chat, joking around, random stuff, word games or topics that you don't otherwise think need to stick around forever.  

For instance.  A thread about what is the best way for government to pay for healthcare should be in OSM.  A thread discussing my personal experience in a hospital last week should go in the Tavern.  A thread which posts funny pictures of doctors should go in the VW.  

Granted, these guidelines are hardly ever followed and there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of order.  I have moved a bunch of OSM threads to the Tavern, where I felt they better belonged.  Unfortunately I cannot do that for Tavern threads (for instance, I think the Math thread should be in OSM rather than Tavern - who talks about math in a tavern?).

Also, if there ARE threads in the VW that you feel belong in the Tavern or OSM, you are free to let me know.  I will consider your request and move the thread if I agree with you.

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dragon_slayer
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posted January 17, 2012 12:19 AM
Edited by dragon_slayer at 00:28, 17 Jan 2012.

I agree with you on you're descriptions on the osm and tavern, however I feel the wastelands should be as the name suggests, a wasteland, ie, dying threads only. Moved from the tavern to the vw at the moderators discretion. Theres no denying it, hc has slowed down. There no need to have two forums about generally the same thing. Why split the crowd?

Im at work atm, posting from my phone so its hard to dig up supporting evidence. However when I get home ill link some threads. By reading the first post and the next couple to follow, you will probably think,

"this is wastelands material"

But many of these threads grew quite large, many received bonuses. So yeah the tavern had more spam, but the activity it generated benefited the tavern and the community greatly
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted January 17, 2012 12:28 AM

Sold, I'm moving to the Tavern, "Operation Spike the mead supply" shall be executed imminently.
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Aculias
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posted January 17, 2012 04:29 AM

Good luck with that.
What DS does not know is that the mods are picky these days.
If a thread does not measure up to Tavern quality, then it is moved to the wasteland lol.

The thread has to have swagger & style LOL.
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Dragon_Slayer
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posted January 17, 2012 07:29 AM

No i dont think thats the case aculias. Every mod will always have a different opinion on whats tavern material, whats funny and what isnt. I dont think its a case of mods sending tavern threads to the vw. It more seems like people are creating "tavern" threads in the wastelands.

Now there are alot of different theories as to why this is. The first that came to mind was qps. Now Im not trying to turn this thread into a qp war, nor a complain thread, so ill try keep the qp talk to a minimal. Qps are supposed to be given out to the top 2% of posts. At the time of writing this there are 667,960 posts in HC. That works out to 13,360 qps. I hardly think that many have been given out. Now nobody likes a qp hunter, but pursuing said red stars is what drives some members to be creative, original and contribute more to the community, and i for one have no issue with that.So to wrap up the qp talk, perhaps mods just arent giving out enough these days, which in turn gives no incentives for people to really stand out. Ever seen what a dog can do if you pull out a shmacko?

Another theory of mine is that threads in the VW are dead by assosiation. What i mean by this is when you post a thread in the VW, its assumed that theres nothing but spam or uselessness inside. This is because many members (including myself) see the VW as a place for dying threads. It just doesnt seem right to start a thread in its grave. Those threads should be started in the tavern, and moved to VW once they die.

Ultimately any decision about the VW is Vals to make. He runs HC, hes been here the longest. At the end of the day he knows whats best for this community, however, that doesnt mean we cant voice our opinions

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posted January 17, 2012 10:48 AM

Well, I actually give a lot of QPs in Other Games. However, just look at that board - people don't want to post there, usually, or it's one liners. Finding a good post takes time - it happens once per month maybe. I even encouraged some QP hunting there to make the board more alive and still nothing

So yeah most likely Other Games are below the "required" 2%, but it's not because I neglect posters lol. There's simply not enough quality stuff there

Bottom line, it's easy to say we don't give enough QPs, but truth is, sometimes you really want to give those but you don't really have a post that even remotely qualifies in nearby vicinity
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted January 17, 2012 11:39 AM

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Good luck with that.
What DS does not know is that the mods are picky these days.
If a thread does not measure up to Tavern quality, then it is moved to the wasteland lol.

The thread has to have swagger & style LOL.


What like the mufffin man's thread?
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SmileGuy
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posted January 17, 2012 11:50 AM

The front seat people are mostly limited to 25 posts pr. day outside of the wasteland.

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Tsar-Ivor
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posted January 17, 2012 11:55 AM

Oh yeh!  back in my day that **** was only 20 posts.
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Dragon_Slayer
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posted January 17, 2012 12:44 PM
Edited by Dragon_Slayer at 12:50, 17 Jan 2012.

EDIT: finally got the damn link to work

Read here, we knew the VW was a problem back then too...

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Darkshadow
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posted January 17, 2012 01:01 PM
Edited by Darkshadow at 13:03, 17 Jan 2012.

Vw isn't a problem, the tavern is.

Its an inbetweener forum without an actual purpose.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted January 17, 2012 01:12 PM

Taking note of the fact that it is actually a taver, a few drunken outbursts should be permitted imho.
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