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Nelgirith
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posted June 27, 2011 09:48 PM |
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I dunno, I find pathfinder I pretty damn handy for a main. No movement cost for visiting towns, locations and picking up stuff can speed up your play a lot save for really poor maps.
I didn't say it wasn't handy, I say it's NOT a must-have as it used to be in previous Heroes. Some people still have the H3/H5 mindset where not having Logistics was a huge mistake while it's not the case in H6. It can help but it's not what will give you a "strong" advantage against your opponent.
I found Pathfinding 1 + a few other unveiled skills to be a killer combo on a secondary hero, but in all my games I've found it totally wasted on my main hero.
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By the time I will meet my opponent I will be lvl10 while my opponent will be lvl5 
Yeah yeah right. Be prepared to cry ...
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 27, 2011 09:53 PM |
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No it isn't but that is true for the rest of the skills, no tier 1 abilities are an absolute must have save for the healing ones.
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AlexSpl
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted June 27, 2011 09:54 PM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 21:55, 27 Jun 2011.
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Picking up 5 chests or visiting 5 map objects without Pathfinder I you waste more than 15% of your movement points! Multiply it by 7 and you will see that my week is 1 day longer than yours!
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Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted June 27, 2011 10:32 PM |
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Edited by Zenofex at 22:34, 27 Jun 2011.
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Picking up 5 chests or visiting 5 map objects without Pathfinder I you waste more than 15% of your movement points! Multiply it by 7 and you will see that my week is 1 day longer than yours!
Like you are moving around the map all the time during the first few weeks.  Exhausting your movement completely every single day and engaging all the neutrals just doesn't work on a difficulty above Easy where you can hire a second hero and use his/her army as a readily available mean to double the size of your army from the very start. Doing the same on a higher difficulty is quite likely to cripple the economy for the next week. On the other hand, with the starting army you can engage only some of the neutrals surrounding the would-be capitol (I'm talking about Broken Alliance here, it depends on the map of course) and when you are done with them - usually no later than day 5 - you just get back to town and wait for the week to end. So there is no incredible necessity to pick up Pathfinding and you won't gain any significant advantage by doing so.
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AlexSpl
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Supreme Hero
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posted June 27, 2011 10:43 PM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 22:46, 27 Jun 2011.
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Well, playing Broken Alliance I managed to clear my starting area, captured all the nearest mines and two dwellings by 115
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AlexSpl
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted June 27, 2011 10:45 PM |
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Not mentioning building Spiders 
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Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted June 27, 2011 10:57 PM |
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Edited by Zenofex at 23:00, 27 Jun 2011.
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Well, playing Broken Alliance I managed to clear my starting area, captured all the nearest mines and two dwellings by 115
What does 115 mean? Month 1, week 1, day 5? And build "spiders" (Fate Spinners?) at the same time? Nah, sorry, I'm not buying it.  Especially the last part is more than 100% impossible. Capturing the mines on the other hand is easy but you don't need Pathfinding to do so in 5 days.
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AlexSpl
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted June 27, 2011 11:00 PM |
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115 means 1st month, 1st week, 5th day.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 27, 2011 11:02 PM |
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We're not gonna spoil the whole map are we 
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Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted June 27, 2011 11:06 PM |
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We're not gonna spoil the whole map are we
Not really, just the part with the "Spiders" on day 5 is a pure sci-fi, without the "sci". Even on Easy.
Anyway, the point was that Pathfinding doesn't add that much to the initial exploration. The heroes are quite mobile on their own. I'd rather take something that will help me in battle and reduce the casualties directly or indirectly.
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted June 28, 2011 12:03 AM |
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If you want to see some seriously overpowered skills, look at Architect xD
and yay its 28th and open beta now!
are we free to discuss the closed beta content now? I have a small review of the Haven faction and various features I liked or dislike in the closed beta
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AlexSpl
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted June 28, 2011 01:01 AM |
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Regeneration + Ghosts + Heroic Strike = Death to all Elite neutrals
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted June 28, 2011 01:33 AM |
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I dont know about you, but my closed beta launcher just updated itself!
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Over himself, over his own
body and
mind, the individual is
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- John Stuart Mill
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 28, 2011 06:24 AM |
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are we free to discuss the closed beta content now? I have a small review of the Haven faction and various features I liked or dislike in the closed beta
Read the damn NDA you signed?
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Zenofex
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Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted June 28, 2011 06:37 AM |
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Edited by Zenofex at 06:39, 28 Jun 2011.
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114. About to capture another dwelling and build Spider Temple
Ghosts are broken at the moment, true, but this does not make your story any more believable. Make a replay about it if you want to convince me.
And playing on Easy is lame.
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AlexSpl
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Supreme Hero
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posted June 28, 2011 07:41 AM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 08:19, 28 Jun 2011.
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And playing on Easy is lame.
You've just injured me
I *never* play on Easy!
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Ghosts are broken at the moment, true, but this does not make your story any more believable.
This story is quite possible just because most neutrals are really stupid
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Zenofex
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Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted June 28, 2011 08:20 AM |
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Now when I think of it, there is a way to achieve this but I don't remember to building requirements to get to the "Spiders". If they are what I currently think they are, they will definitely need to be fixed. In the closed beta I mainly wanted to check what each creature does and haven't tested how fast you can get to some high tier thing. So let's say that, theoretically, you might be right.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted June 28, 2011 08:47 AM |
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Awhawhaw! Might...
I see what you did there 
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted June 28, 2011 09:03 AM |
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On easy it's easy.
Day 1: Hall of Heroes
Day 2: Town Hall
Day 3: City Hall
Day 4: Champion dwelling
Provided you are lucky with a couple of res.
Still a waste, though, on that map. Who needs champion dwellings?
That said, with the first version of the game Necromancy was broken - and unnecessary to use. With a working racial Necro has been just as overpowered as Haven which is amazingly out of everything remotely sane. You can see that when you set player 6 to Haven (normal AI).
Sanctuary is a bit more mundane, but that was only because some abilities were broken.
Stronghold was a farce as well, due to the Dreamwalkers being part of the initial army.
That left Inferno/Hard for a halfway decent game.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 28, 2011 09:17 AM |
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Either way after all the feedback the devs got, the stats, abilities, costs and so on are more than likely changed by now.
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