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Drakon-Deus
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posted April 08, 2013 03:00 PM |
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So you'd feel better if there were no laws at all and Hitler would drink a cup of tea with Abraham and Isaac in the afterlife, right?
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Zenofex
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posted April 08, 2013 03:11 PM |
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There are laws even without the Christian god. The Chinese have laws. The Indians have laws. Even backwater African tribes have laws, although not necessarily in the sense that the typical European applies to this word. None of these are Christians, nor have evolved as such. As for the "Christian" countries - they have always had secular laws, even during the most religious times. And they are sufficient. Besides, you might be a wonderful person but refuse to follow the First Commandment - then again you go to Hell. Funny stuff.
And this whole thing has nothing to do with how you feel.
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JollyJoker
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posted April 08, 2013 03:11 PM |
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So you'd feel better if there were no laws at all and Hitler would drink a cup of tea with Abraham and Isaac in the afterlife, right?
In a nutshell? Yes.
Because "evil" people are not born that way, and no matter what the fundamentalists will tell you about personal accountability, free will and all the other stuff - in the end everything concerning free will is based on the information you have, but because of the info is incomplete and faulty, free will is way overrated and crap happens all the time. "Evil" people were children once and have developed to become the way they are, via trauma, bad education, abuse and so on.
Now, I always though, a benign, all-powerful being should be able to HEAL all that. Not necessarily without any kind of punishment - as mentioned, "re-living" the crap you did to others I would imagine as being one "hell" of a punishment, but a finite one, obviously -, but in the end, yes, everyone would sit together and drink a cup of tea.
What's wrong with that?
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Drakon-Deus
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posted April 08, 2013 03:15 PM |
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There are others who believe punishment is literal torture and others who believe it's just plain non-existence.
I believe there will punishing for everyone who has done things worthy of punishing.
Being born Chinese and never hearing or having the gospel properly explained to you and therefore not accepting it does not equal a sin in my book by the way.
I also believe God wills for all men to be saved.
Thus, everyone having a cup of tea in the end is not out of the question for me. The sheperd didn't stop until he saved that lost sheep. With God all things are possible. 
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Zenofex
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posted April 08, 2013 03:21 PM |
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Being born Chinese and never hearing or having the gospel properly explained to you and therefore not accepting it does not equal a sin in my book by the way.
Good man, now just ask God to send an updated version of his commandments and we're cool.
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posted April 08, 2013 03:21 PM |
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I also believe God wills for all men to be saved.
That actually means that Bible wasn't necessary at all.
But hey, who said that any belief has to make sense?
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Drakon-Deus
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posted April 08, 2013 03:26 PM |
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Jesus accomplished his mission, he said it Himself, 'It is finished'.
It wouldn't have been the same if we didn't write it down, now would it?
Well, the commadments in a nutshell are: Love God with all your heart and thought and love your neighbour like yourself.
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Hobbit
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posted April 08, 2013 03:41 PM |
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It wouldn't have been the same if we didn't write it down, now would it?
With or without Christianity, our society would be pretty much the same. Buddhists have the same philosophy about loving neighbours (not this God part however). Actually agnostics and atheists also respect this "rule" - it just doesn't depend on beliefs nor (especially) religion.
So if God wants to save us all, let's say, despite of a Bible, then why do we call this book sacred? 
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Drakon-Deus
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posted April 08, 2013 03:42 PM |
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Because it's inspired by God and it's a compilation of many important writings. Basically, it's the best there is if you want to know the Christian God.
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Hobbit
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posted April 08, 2013 03:47 PM |
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master_learn
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posted April 08, 2013 03:50 PM |
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There are many paralels between the connection God-humans and father-children.
The father may use methods to discipline his children,without stopping to love them.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted April 08, 2013 03:51 PM |
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He loves us alright, but think of it this way:
You know your Dad will buy you car when you turn 20. Shouldn't you try to appreciate that, like talk more to him, thank him and all that?
You'll get your car, but you can also make dad happier in the meantime
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artu
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posted April 08, 2013 03:58 PM |
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There are many paralels between the connection God-humans and father-children.
The father may use methods to discipline his children,without stopping to love them.
You just summarized Freud's explanation of why man invented god. With age realizing that your mighty, protective father is just a man and creating an imaginary substitute.
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Zenofex
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posted April 08, 2013 04:01 PM |
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There are many paralels between the connection God-humans and father-children.
The father may use methods to discipline his children,without stopping to love them.
Yeah, well, the main difference is that no father tortures his children for all eternity if they don't obey him, except if he's a psychopath.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted April 08, 2013 04:01 PM |
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For you, man invented god. For me, God made man. May you find your way as pleasant.
The whole eternity thing is debatable, I think God wills to save all men, and that doesn't mean torture them for eternity. By the way, the word translated as eternal actually means just age in the old Greek.
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Hobbit
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posted April 08, 2013 04:07 PM |
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So, from what I understand, God can punish people if they don't read Bible while they live, but it doesn't matter because when they die, they'll go to Heaven and be happy anyway. Therefore there's no punishment at all, because life isn't really important.
Sounds a little bit like the existential nihilism.
But I believe that a faith isn't really a choice, rather some kind of personal feeling, so maybe it's just my problem that I can't understand it...
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artu
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posted April 08, 2013 04:14 PM |
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But I believe that a faith isn't really a choice, rather some kind of personal feeling, so maybe it's just my problem that I can't understand it...
A feeling of spiritualism maybe... That can be about your own combination of a psyche. The rest is 99% of the time, culturally imposed on you. That's why we are able to publish atlases of religions.
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master_learn
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posted April 08, 2013 06:07 PM |
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all-powerful being should be able to HEAL all that.
Not at the price of your free will to NOT be healed.
If you don't want to be healed(understand take care of your health),the all-powerful being will not force you to be healthy.
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JollyJoker
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posted April 08, 2013 06:41 PM |
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Free will is nothing without true information and valid options.
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del_diablo
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posted April 08, 2013 07:38 PM |
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I thought the insane and the evil was the healthiest because they live in their version of the world, where everything is right?
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