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Thread: So, where are all the classic creatures? This thread is 5 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 · «PREV
Rakshasa92
Rakshasa92


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posted February 06, 2014 10:11 PM

Storm-Giant said:
Rakshasa92 said:
Haven
Core: Sentinel / Marksman / Peri (wisp-like angel creature)
Elite: Zealot / Griffon / Sun Chariot / Valkyrie
Champ: Seraph / Titan

I stopped reading here. What kind of heresy is that!


Well if they make homm7 I hope the entire roots with the old heroes games are scrambled, I never understood what a giant human and mage did in a desert town...
And with my Academy being around djinni's and not around humans anymore I think the Titan suited more with the heavenly beings, as haven isn't human anymore but more about holy creatures.

Also Griffons got from Dungeon to Haven, Hydras from a dungeon to a swamp town to a dungeon and orcs have been jumping around, at least the Titan makes sense my storyline.
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Storm-Giant
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posted February 06, 2014 10:26 PM

In a thread named "where are all the classic creatures?", putting Titan away from the faction they've always been....cmon
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Rakshasa92
Rakshasa92


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posted February 06, 2014 11:58 PM

For me a classic creature is a classic creature, no matter in which town it may hide.
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MattII
MattII


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posted February 07, 2014 07:17 AM
Edited by MattII at 07:23, 07 Feb 2014.

Rakshasa92 said:
And with my Academy being around djinni's and not around humans anymore I think the Titan suited more with the heavenly beings, as haven isn't human anymore but more about holy creatures.
Except than in Ashan, Titans are just really big Golems (or at least H6 doesn't contradict H5 on this), and thus fit even less with Haven than with even the revised Academy.

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Also Griffons got from Dungeon to Haven, Hydras from a dungeon to a swamp town to a dungeon and orcs have been jumping around...
H3 took place on a completely different continent to H2, and H4 took place on a different world, so those changes were sort of excusable.

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...at least the Titan makes sense my storyline.
You've not provided any storyline.

If you really want to make your factions unique, then do so, but don't expect people to say "oh wow, it's so different" to a half-hearted rehash.

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Rakshasa92
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posted February 07, 2014 11:53 AM
Edited by Rakshasa92 at 11:55, 07 Feb 2014.

MattII said:
Rakshasa92 said:
And with my Academy being around djinni's and not around humans anymore I think the Titan suited more with the heavenly beings, as haven isn't human anymore but more about holy creatures.
Except than in Ashan, Titans are just really big Golems (or at least H6 doesn't contradict H5 on this), and thus fit even less with Haven than with even the revised Academy.

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Also Griffons got from Dungeon to Haven, Hydras from a dungeon to a swamp town to a dungeon and orcs have been jumping around...
H3 took place on a completely different continent to H2, and H4 took place on a different world, so those changes were sort of excusable.

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...at least the Titan makes sense my storyline.
You've not provided any storyline.

If you really want to make your factions unique, then do so, but don't expect people to say "oh wow, it's so different" to a half-hearted rehash.



There is no Ashan in my prefered storyline. Titans are what the are suppose to be in my storyline, giant humanoid with holy and divine backgrounds that guard the portals to the holy lands. They still hate Black Dragon though, because they fear them because of their size.
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Avirosb
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posted February 07, 2014 12:43 PM

My gist has always been that Titans represent order whereas black dragons represent chaos.

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Rakshasa92
Rakshasa92


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posted February 07, 2014 01:30 PM

I don't really like the HOMM vision on Titans at all, I don't like it that they are based on Talos from Greek Mythology which isn't a titan, so I don't like it they are huge golems.

I don't think a town can be based on order at all, every town has some order so the chaos/order thing isn't something I hope to see back, every town should have some chaos and order in their own unique way.


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Storm-Giant
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posted February 07, 2014 02:01 PM

Well, if you don't like the HoMM vision, you could also create your own thread, because here it doesn't make any sense.
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Rakshasa92
Rakshasa92


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posted February 07, 2014 03:02 PM

What's up with all this hostility?

Anyway why would Titans be any different from Naga's? Nobody cared that Naga's got placed in their own town? Are Champion units that more important for people than other units?
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Avirosb
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posted February 07, 2014 03:34 PM
Edited by Avirosb at 15:35, 07 Feb 2014.

Rakshasa92 said:
Anyway why would Titans be any different from Naga's? Nobody cared that Naga's got placed in their own town?
I did, only that was basically a non-issue compared to all the other problems I have with Ashan.

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Rakshasa92
Rakshasa92


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posted February 07, 2014 03:59 PM

Avirosb said:
Rakshasa92 said:
Anyway why would Titans be any different from Naga's? Nobody cared that Naga's got placed in their own town?
I did, only that was basically a non-issue compared to all the other problems I have with Ashan.


Well many people disliked the whole Ashan thing, It had some nice things but all factions having the same colored units, dragon gods and all that stuff didn't really helped Heroes in my opinion.

So it would be better if they start over fresh, no ashan and no Heroes 3 (because heroes 3 is a classic, no need to make it again with better graphics)
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mvassilev
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posted February 07, 2014 05:23 PM

We've already had a half-reset (Axeoth) and a full reset (Ashan), both of which threw good things into the garbage. Since Ashan is now an established universe, it would be a waste to throw it away for something new.

Nagas aren't an essential part of the Wizard town - they weren't there in H2 or H5. Titans, on the other hand, are strongly associated with Wizards. But more importantly, Titans don't make sense in a medieval pseudo-Christian knight town.
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Storm-Giant
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posted February 07, 2014 06:00 PM

mvassilev said:
Nagas aren't an essential part of the Wizard town - they weren't there in H2 or H5. Titans, on the other hand, are strongly associated with Wizards. But more importantly, Titans don't make sense in a medieval pseudo-Christian knight town.

Exactly. Some creatures are not only classic by themselves, but also attached to a certain faction (Black Dragons to Dungeon or Angels to Haven are another examples).
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MattII
MattII


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posted February 09, 2014 01:18 AM
Edited by MattII at 01:18, 09 Feb 2014.

Rakshasa92 said:
Haven
Seems slightly disjointed, Angels and Valkyries? It think you need to expand your explanations on how each unit fits into the culture.
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Necropolis
Not a lot to say here, except to ask WTF the Spine Crawler is, and to note the use Dullahans and Banshees, 'fresh blood' is always good.
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Sanctuary
Never quite got the whole water-snake-spirit idea of the Sanctuary, but I won't criticise.
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Sylvan
Fairly good, but a bit cliched.
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Academy
A few creatures here I'm not sure about (Sand Shark, Cactus Thing, Sand Worm), but again, good to see some new blood.
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Dungeon
Never totally agreed with Dark Elves, but not having a lineup spammed with them helps. Overall, a nice mix of the old (just a bunch of 'dark' creatures) and new (dark elves über alles).
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Stronghold
Not sure about the Manticore, but other than that, good work.
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Fortress
I don't want to say it, but somehow, despite your sterling efforts to spice up the lineup, it doesn't work, it still feels like it has too many dwarves, with the added penalty of not seeming properly cohesive.
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Inferno
Never like the whole 'fiery pit of hell' feeling of this town, but the lineup itself is good enough.
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Neutral
Good work, a lot of variety here, and you can never have enough of them.
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The creatures I left out from older HOMM games are
I don't agree on all of these choices, but a lot of them were getting boring.

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Rakshasa92
Rakshasa92


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posted February 10, 2014 05:57 PM

mvassilev said:
But more importantly, Titans don't make sense in a medieval pseudo-Christian knight town.


Yes and half lion/half eagles from greek mythology do suit in such a town, for your information, Titans and Griffons are both from greek mythology.


But otherwise I do understand that some people want to keep the old stuff intact tho, but i'm not one of them, I want to keep the classic creatures but not all of them should be the same in every single game, and I was never satisfied with the Titans being giant golems that work for mages.

And thanks MattIII for your thoughts! I will make my own proposal one day and then I try to explain why some creatures switched side, tho the entire old storylines and heroes are probably gone anyway.
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MattII
MattII


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posted February 10, 2014 08:43 PM

Rakshasa92 said:
Yes and half lion/half eagles from greek mythology do suit in such a town, for your information, Titans and Griffons are both from greek mythology.
The difference being that in real life, the Griffin successfully made the jump from Hellenic to Christian mythology, and indeed was seen by some as a symbol of Jesus (being of both the sky and the earth). The Titan OTOH never did make it. Which isn't to say that it couldn't work, you'd just have to rework the mythology (start by ditching the 'one god above all else' idea).

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Rakshasa92
Rakshasa92


Supreme Hero
posted February 10, 2014 10:41 PM

Well there are no Gods or Dragon Gods in the game I want, I never liked this bigger-creator stuff.

Seraphs are angels but they don't work for gods like in the real world.
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BurntPhoenix
BurntPhoenix


Hired Hero
posted February 12, 2014 05:25 AM
Edited by BurntPhoenix at 05:35, 12 Feb 2014.

Rakshasa92 said:
I don't really like the HOMM vision on Titans at all, I don't like it that they are based on Talos from Greek Mythology which isn't a titan, so I don't like it they are huge golems.


For curiosity's sake, what would you want a Titan to look like in a fantasy game?

I put "Titan" in the google images search, and what tends to come up doesn't match up to the majesty, (almost)-godhood, and the balance in form of the HOMM Titans (speaking specifically of the earlier Heroes and Might and Magic Titans conceptions, as I'm pretty biased towards NWC's approach to fantasy, but I do find interest in Heroes 6 Titan artwork I saw as part of the Ashan Compendium, a whole lot cooler than that one featured in H5).

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Rakshasa92
Rakshasa92


Supreme Hero
posted February 12, 2014 05:19 PM

They titan should look like the HOMM3 titan but with flesh insteand of iron/whatever skin they have in HOMM3.

I really love the HOMM3 Titan's but I don't like them in with the mages and their non-fleshy skin.
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