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Nocturnal
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posted August 26, 2011 12:24 AM
Edited by Nocturnal at 03:33, 27 Aug 2011.

Quiting SF

I know there are no Street Fighter players here as no one even replied to my previous treads about it. But I just wanted to shout it out: I am think about quiting this game today. I've had enough.

All my life I have always loved the unpopular or the unliked one. Kinda more than bunch of coincidences now. I get an album and listen it, then hate some songs and they get popular and have videos. And my favourites never get any attention. In public votes, always the political party I voted for loses. In games the faction I love turns out to be the weakest.

This was the same. Vega(Claw) was the only reason I bought SF4. And it turned out he was the weakest character in the game. I have been beaten by every child all around the world.

With SSF4 AE he got a little better but is still low-tier. I practiced and practiced. But the man is the only character in the game that has 1 frame jab links. He doesn't have an anti-air normal. His anti-air special is one of the worst. His every combo requires strict timing. He has one of the smallest damage output but has one of the worst stun.

So I got better. I can pull combos offen. But it was not enough. I mustn't miss any links and be extremely cautious if I am Vega. And I'm not that kind of robotic person who can pull all those one-frame combos everytime he wants, and is extremely good in reaction. And if you are one big combo and your health bar get halved by a total noob.

And I get extremely frustrated when I lose to a very bad player only because his main char. is better.

So in order to spare myself the anger, the stress I am thinking about quiting, what I can frankly call, the most unbalanced game I have ever played.

Cheers.
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Smithey
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Yes im red, choke on it !!!
posted August 26, 2011 12:29 AM

LOL... I was sure you meant you're done with San Francisco which would make no sense

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mvassilev
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posted August 26, 2011 12:45 AM

Lies. Everyone only plays Ryu and Ken.
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Nocturnal
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posted August 26, 2011 12:46 AM

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Lies. Everyone only plays Ryu and Ken.


Ryu is over in AE.
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Elvin
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posted August 26, 2011 01:21 PM
Edited by Elvin at 13:25, 26 Aug 2011.

So you are basically blaming the game for losing to noobs?

I have long given up myself, predetermined rapid button commands wasn't my thing though I'll have to admit that the game allowed for some pretty creative moves. I guess in multiplayer it comes down to using only a few of those though I lacked the patience to actually learn all the combinations, counters, moves priority and effective maneuvers. Maybe if I'd tried it younger.

Either way if you only play one character out of.. 30? More? Then you had it coming If there is one thing that annoys me in such games are guys that keep abusing the same character over and over(can you say Eddie abuser in tekken?) but at least you didn't pick a high tier character just for winning.
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posted August 26, 2011 01:44 PM
Edited by B0rsuk at 13:51, 26 Aug 2011.

I think you would be a better Vega player if you also played other characters. You would learn more about their strengths and weaknesses and could defeat them easier.

In the end, attitude matters a lot. This guy has a lot of fun playing as Dan in multiplayer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgrdhITqT70&playnext=1&list=PLCB09C9F8C19389E2

And he's pretty good.
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Elvin
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posted August 26, 2011 01:59 PM

Nothing fancy, just paying attention to timing and not giving up under pressure. An awesome guy, the kind you love to play with

I'M BLOCKING, WHY AM I GETTING HIT?!

HAHAHA I HIT HIM!

I got all day, I'm Dan.


He is the embodiment of Dan
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Nocturnal
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posted August 26, 2011 08:39 PM

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So you are basically blaming the game for losing to noobs?

I have long given up myself, predetermined rapid button commands wasn't my thing though I'll have to admit that the game allowed for some pretty creative moves. I guess in multiplayer it comes down to using only a few of those though I lacked the patience to actually learn all the combinations, counters, moves priority and effective maneuvers. Maybe if I'd tried it younger.

Either way if you only play one character out of.. 30? More? Then you had it coming If there is one thing that annoys me in such games are guys that keep abusing the same character over and over(can you say Eddie abuser in tekken?) but at least you didn't pick a high tier character just for winning.


But I only like one character?! I don't even like watching the others, let alone play with them :/ I have bought the game for Vega in the first place.

And I'm blaming the character of course. Think about it. Take Ryu. If he does one shoryuken he can do the ultra afterward. And his shoryuken has one of the best priorities in the game. And this basic combo takes away the half of Vega's life.

On the other hand, Vega has no way to combo in to his ultra.

OR;

%95 of the chars have their jabs as a chain combo. Meaining if your quickly press cr.lp 3 times, this will be a combo. But Vega's jabs are 1 frame links. 1 frame is 60/1 of a second! So you have time that 60/1 three times in a row.

And after all this hard work, it doesn't pay off, because he has one of the lowest damage output but weakest defense.

And these list goes on...
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Adrius
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Stand and fight!
posted August 26, 2011 09:09 PM

On the other hand, those facts make winning with Vega massively satisfying.
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Nocturnal
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posted August 26, 2011 09:20 PM

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On the other hand, those facts make winning with Vega massively satisfying.


Yeah! It is great! Actually I was the 8th Vega in the world on PC. But I was not satisfied. The 1st has 15000 I have 8000. And my points just stopped growing as I could no longer beat anyone as the opponents' level also increased.

Maybe, altough I don't like them, I'll try some other chars. Maybe surprisingly I'll start to like one of them. Who knows.
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Adrius
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Stand and fight!
posted August 26, 2011 09:29 PM

It's better than liking a character that is totally overpowered at least.

No matter how skilled you are people will look down on you for using a broken character.
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posted August 26, 2011 10:11 PM

You could start with other move chargers like Blanka, Guile and E. Honda.

You know, the other members of the SF2 Charge move family. (Chun Li doesn't count, she only has 2 charge move)

Honda is surprisingly good without being overpowered. He was one of the weakest in a lot of other SF games.

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posted August 26, 2011 10:51 PM

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You could start with other move chargers like Blanka, Guile and E. Honda.

You know, the other members of the SF2 Charge move family. (Chun Li doesn't count, she only has 2 charge move)

Honda is surprisingly good without being overpowered. He was one of the weakest in a lot of other SF games.


Yeah you are right. I'm gonna try some. Altough I have done Chun-Li's trials without any difficulty, I really hate that lightning legs move cause I hate mashing buttons. And that move is her strongest one, a must-be in every combo. Same goes for Honda's hundred hand slaps. By the way Honda was the A tier strongest character in the SSF4.

I think I'll go on and try some in order. I'm doing Rose's trials now and she can be interesting maybe. Never done real matches with her.

I think I have an obsession with fighter who use some weapon. Vega, Rose, Rolento. I would definitely main Rolento now, if he was in the game. If I cant love Rose, I will try Makoto and so on.

But never shotos! Damn them! That why I like Rose, she can reflect the bit*hes' projectiles back to them
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Adrius
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posted August 26, 2011 10:54 PM

You need to play the perverted Turkish dude with oils.
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Nocturnal
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posted August 27, 2011 12:58 AM

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You need to play the perverted Turkish dude with oils.


Lol He sucks big time. And I hate grapplers. I like fast characters. Besides their ultra moves cannot be done with keyboard. 2 circles.
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Adrius
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posted August 27, 2011 01:01 AM
Edited by Adrius at 01:02, 27 Aug 2011.

But duuuude... the oils man!

What's the deal with grappling characters and overly complicated throwing inputs anyway? It's the same thing with Tager in Blazblue...

It's just unnecessary; the complicated part should be about timing, recovery and priority, not the input itself...
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Nocturnal
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posted August 27, 2011 01:09 AM
Edited by Nocturnal at 01:11, 27 Aug 2011.

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But duuuude... the oils man!

What's the deal with grappling characters and overly complicated throwing inputs anyway? It's the same thing with Tager in Blazblue...

It's just unnecessary; the complicated part should be about timing, recovery and priority, not the input itself...


Actually there are really some points in this difficult inputs.

1- You see their grab is a command grab. If you are, let's say Hakan, if your opponent presses the normal grab, and you input the command grab at the same time, yours win.

2- The command grabs take away the most life in the game other than Super and Ultra moves.

3- Command grabs have incredible ranges and break the armor, meaning breaks the focus attacks.

4- All the command grab Ultra moves are 0 frame. Meaning if you do the Ultra, and your opponent is in the range of the ultra, he simply gets it, there is no escape whatsoever, in case he didn't press jump before you did your ultra.
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Adrius
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Stand and fight!
posted August 27, 2011 01:35 AM
Edited by Adrius at 01:40, 27 Aug 2011.

Sure but on pro-level the complicated input doesn't matter, they'll nail it quickly anyway.

So all it really comes down to is making the characters less accessible for newbies and casual gamers (not to mention keyboard gamers of all types)

It's not like power-grapplers aren't balanced through other means anyway. High power most often mean low speed/maneuverability.

If you think about it, would making Hakan's Ultra throw a simple half-circle-forward motion instead of the utterly ridiculous 2-full-circles really ruin balance in any way? I think not, it would just make the game more fun.
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Shyranis
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posted August 27, 2011 01:49 AM

Just make them like King of fighters, quarter circle forward, half circle back =D
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Adrius
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Stand and fight!
posted August 27, 2011 01:53 AM

Yeah, that motion works very well. Easy to input and very hard to accidentally fire off, like it should be.
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