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Nocturnal
Nocturnal


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted August 27, 2011 02:41 AM

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Sure but on pro-level the complicated input doesn't matter, they'll nail it quickly anyway.

So all it really comes down to is making the characters less accessible for newbies and casual gamers (not to mention keyboard gamers of all types)

It's not like power-grapplers aren't balanced through other means anyway. High power most often mean low speed/maneuverability.

If you think about it, would making Hakan's Ultra throw a simple half-circle-forward motion instead of the utterly ridiculous 2-full-circles really ruin balance in any way? I think not, it would just make the game more fun.


Think about a player who command grabs with a simple quarter, which is insanely quick and easy, let alone ultra command grab. They would be devastating. Impossible to stop. Pro-players doesnt have magic. They also do the same motion. And that motion is long. 2 full circles means one jump animation. So in order to not jump you do the motion while some other animation of your other move is going on. This is where being pro comes out. Altough it is not difficult for pros, it is more difficult even for them than doing Ryu's ultra, down back down back punch. Powerful combos should have difficult inputs. Or the balance completely gets destroyed, altough it is not good even now.

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B0rsuk
B0rsuk


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posted August 27, 2011 08:43 AM
Edited by B0rsuk at 08:58, 27 Aug 2011.

So do you watch replays of top Vega players ? Anything to learn from them ?

You know what would be even harder to input accidentally and easy to input on purpose ? If you could bind combos and special moves to a single key. Unhinkable !

For me Vega is the worst character - narcissistic, oh-so-serious, pretentious, trying to be cool. Why is he the only one allowed to openly use weapons in combat ? There are enough underdog characters that I wouldn't have to play Vega (Dan, for example). Dan is a different story, he's designed to be bad. But he has lovable grin, amusing animations and fun combos. Even if they miss they look funny, Dan tries very hard and falls on his face.
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Adrius
Adrius


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posted August 27, 2011 11:38 AM

Hmm... yeah you got a point there... buffering is part of the style I guess...

I still think it alienates players though. I love grappling characters and I love practicing, but a motion that is essentially impossible to do reliably on anything but a fighting stick is just ridiculous.
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Nocturnal
Nocturnal


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posted August 27, 2011 01:03 PM
Edited by Nocturnal at 14:24, 27 Aug 2011.

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So do you watch replays of top Vega players ? Anything to learn from them ?


I daily watch their replays. I even have a compilation on my PC. And I have learned many from them.

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Why is he the only one allowed to openly use weapons in combat ?


You are wrong in that. On the contrary his weapon is the only one that drops after a number of hits. It shouldn't. Rose has a magical scarf. Balrog has boxer gloves, Rolento has a pipe, Sodom has blades, Ibuki has kunais, Cody has a blade.

Also if you think about it, it evens the situation with shotos. Their projectiles are also some weapon. They throw something at you while you don't have such a thing.

Let edit: Of course I'm back to him. Who was I fooling. I'm in love with that guy Don't care if I lose. At least I enjoy the game.
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B0rsuk
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DooM prophet
posted August 27, 2011 03:10 PM

All other weapons are concealed. Rose doesn't wield her scarf as a weapon, she pulls it out to strike. Cody (the prison guy) doesn't walk around with the pipe in hands. They pretend to fight without weapons. Not Vega.


Could you link some good vega replays on youtube ? I don't own the game, I just watch it from time to time. The last SF game I played was SF2 on brother's friend's amiga.
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Nocturnal
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posted August 27, 2011 05:06 PM
Edited by Nocturnal at 17:08, 27 Aug 2011.

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All other weapons are concealed. Rose doesn't wield her scarf as a weapon, she pulls it out to strike. Cody (the prison guy) doesn't walk around with the pipe in hands. They pretend to fight without weapons. Not Vega.


Could you link some good vega replays on youtube ? I don't own the game, I just watch it from time to time. The last SF game I played was SF2 on brother's friend's amiga.


They are not concealed. Rose wields the scarf as a weapon. Her every move is with it even the normals like Vega and carries it around, walks with it. And so the rest of the names I have said. Rolento, Sodom, etc. Only about Cody and Ibuki you are right they don't live with it.

About the replays:

To give names: Araidon, Makoto, Tatsu and Reiketsu are the best Vega players worlwide. And Agent Hoy is my personal like Here are replays for each of 'em:

Daigo Umehara is the best Ryu in the world. And considered to be one of the best fighting game players. Makoto is the best Vega in the world most people say. But he doesn't play anymore. Don't know why. There are plenty of matches of him against Daigo, and Makoto wins all of them

Makoto (VE) vs Daigo (RY)

Kiryu is also considered to be one of the best Guy players. Cat-K is Araidon's other name.
Kiryu (GY) vs Araidon (VE)

Tatsu is the best Vega in the area of links. His execution is perfect and he does the hardest combos without any difficulty.

Crizzle (VI) vs Tatsu (VE)

Another Tatsu match from EVO2010. He is the Vega player who have come closest to winning in the tournament. EVO is the biggest fighting game tournament and EVo2011 has the internet record for biggest online live watch.

Online Tony (SE) vs Tatsu (VE)

Reiketsu is the Vega player with most BP in JApan

ACQUA (SAG) vs reiketsu (VE)

And here is Agent Hoy

DBUK (BL) vs Agent Hoy (VE)




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Elvin
Elvin


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posted August 27, 2011 07:14 PM

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It's just unnecessary; the complicated part should be about timing, recovery and priority, not the input itself...

Which is why the game didn't win me over. That kind of thing makes it look more like a job than a fun game.

Balance? You *can* balance the game without making moves/combos ridiculously convoluted. Toshinden battle arena in gameboy is one of the most fun fighting games I have played and I never ever grew bored with it. Simple commands, plenty of moves, hilarious animations, high dependence on timing Fast paced action but not like cramming 5-6 inputs in a split second.
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Adrius
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Stand and fight!
posted August 27, 2011 11:00 PM

Ah I love Daigo... Clicky

Force Roman Cancelled like 4 Gun Flames in a row...

FRC is a technique where you cancel a technique by using your super-bar, normal cancels take 50% of it, a Forced one takes 25%... and the timing is insane. He did 4 in a row...!

Haha... and the character of course yells the techniques name but gets abrupted by the cancel...

GUN GUN GUN GUN GUN FLAAAAME! ...Sol Badguy WINS!
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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
posted August 28, 2011 01:16 AM

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Ah I love Daigo... Clicky

Force Roman Cancelled like 4 Gun Flames in a row...

FRC is a technique where you cancel a technique by using your super-bar, normal cancels take 50% of it, a Forced one takes 25%... and the timing is insane. He did 4 in a row...!

Haha... and the character of course yells the techniques name but gets abrupted by the cancel...

GUN GUN GUN GUN GUN FLAAAAME! ...Sol Badguy WINS!

That was just
So much IN YOUR FACE!
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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
posted August 28, 2011 01:17 AM

I stopped playing SF4 when I noticed how fricking much it lagged over the net. I could not rape elvin.
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Aculias
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posted August 28, 2011 07:04 AM

Maybe you just sucked with Vega LOL.
Practice to use him more
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