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posted August 27, 2011 04:24 PM |
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I don't abuse my children or anything.
I don't even use the bamboo stick my mom used to use on my siblings when we were kids =p
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posted August 27, 2011 10:56 PM |
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I'm not afraid to hit my children if I need to.
Shyranis, that is in so many ways such a wrong sentence. And paired with this:
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I don't even use the bamboo stick my mom used to use on my siblings when we were kids
it's actually frightening.
But as with everything, it makes no sense to debate this. You'll do what you do, no matter what.
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posted August 28, 2011 02:10 PM |
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As I said also, I rarely need to. My kids are good.
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posted August 28, 2011 02:17 PM |
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do you think they are either born good or evil?? it should be the result of your education, no?
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posted August 28, 2011 02:30 PM |
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Children being "good" is usually the result of fair, firm and consistent discipline. Children need boundaries and need the boundaries to be consistently enforced.
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posted August 28, 2011 03:52 PM |
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Boundaries can be imposed without violence.
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Fauch
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posted August 28, 2011 05:11 PM |
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depends what you call discipline I guess. people can be "good" just by fear.
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Adrius
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posted August 28, 2011 05:13 PM |
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And then they grow up and try to earn respect through fear just like their parents did.
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posted August 28, 2011 05:16 PM |
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Fear is effective but should not be the paving stone of discipline.
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Fauch
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posted August 28, 2011 05:38 PM |
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actually yes. like fear of fire. better than having your children play with it.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 28, 2011 06:13 PM |
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A child reaches for fire, you warn him/her that it will hurt, if you touch it. That keeps the child at-bay with fear, but then you must educate him/her on the uses of fire.
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JollyJoker
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posted August 28, 2011 07:52 PM |
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RESPECT is the keyword here. Not FEAR.
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The_Gootch
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posted August 29, 2011 02:48 AM |
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To understand Elodin you need to understand the hive mindset of the evangelical right.
To understand the hive mindset of the evangelical right, you need to understand Dr. James Dobson.
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JollyJoker
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posted August 29, 2011 01:22 PM |
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Interesting.
Then again, "understanding" is such a big word.
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posted August 29, 2011 02:30 PM |
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I stumbled upon an article where certain states were going to start charging parents if their child was late to school or skipped. Another classic example of what happens when we hitchhike too far on the left. Anything to inundate us with more laws and more government trying to do things as they see fit.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 30, 2011 01:52 AM |
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In England parents of frequently truant children get persecuted, but they are of course contacted if the child's attendance falls below standards.
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Penalty notices
As an alternative to prosecution, authorised local authority staff, police officers and headteachers can issue penalty notices to parents of children who are not attending school regularly. The penalty is £50, rising to £100 if not paid within 28 days. If you fail to pay a penalty fine, you will be prosecuted.
Taking you to court
The local authority may prosecute you (they don’t have to issue a penalty notice first) and this could result in a more severe penalty.
You could get a fine of up to £2,500, a community order or, in extreme cases, a jail sentence of up to three months. If the court thinks it will help to stop your child missing school, it may also impose a Parenting Order.
Parenting Order
A Parenting Order is a court order which requires you to attend parenting education or support classes. You will also have to do whatever the court says is necessary to improve your child’s behaviour and attendance at school.
Also paying students to report truants leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. 
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posted August 30, 2011 02:04 AM |
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@The_Gootch
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To understand Elodin you need to understand the hive mindset of the evangelical right.
To understand the hive mindset of the evangelical right, you need to understand Dr. James Dobson.
I would appreciate it if you would not comment about me personally and would instead comment on the issues. You are wrong about me by the way. I in no way have a hive mindset and some of my evangelical brothers would wrongly accuse me of being a heretic.
One does not need a hive mindset to recognize that children need discipline that is fair, firm and consistent.
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In the end violence will always lead to more violence.
That is false. I was spanked at times as a child and I am not a violent person. I've never initiated a fight but I have had to fight at times. Neither I nor my brother nor my sisters have ever been taken to jail.
My children were spanked growing up and none of them are violent people. None of them have been taken to jail.
When children were spanked in school there were few serious problems in school. When parents spanked their children at home there were relatively few problems with juvenile delinquents.
Now many urban schools have such an undisciplined atmosphere that the "good" children are often afraid to go to school. Lack of spanking increases violence and criminal activity among the young people who growing into adulthood.
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posted August 30, 2011 02:09 AM |
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Elodin, do you think that your 'punishment' (I assume it was punishment  ), was fair or just? I'm asking for your current opinion and your opinion at the time.
Edit: This is related as I'm trying to make a point, nothing personal  .
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Elodin
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posted August 30, 2011 02:20 AM |
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Elodin, do you think that your 'punishment' (I assume it was punishment ), was fair or just? I'm asking for your current opinion and your opinion at the time.
Edit: This is related as I'm trying to make a point, nothing personal .
Yes. A parent should not discipline in anger. With a clear head you can mete out "justice."
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posted August 30, 2011 03:44 AM |
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I would appreciate it if you would not comment about me personally and would instead comment on the issues. You are wrong about me by the way. I in no way have a hive mindset and some of my evangelical brothers would wrongly accuse me of being a heretic.
Nothing you have ever written has suggested to me that I'm wrong about my appraisal of you. If you have appreciations, you can direct them towards the mods in the Feedback side.
Me? I'm past the point of civility with you. Request denied.
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