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posted January 04, 2014 10:52 PM

Somebody recommended a three episode (ninety minutes each) German WW2 mini-series yesterday, Unsere Mutter, Unsere Vater. I finished it in a day, not bad at all, actually it's quite good but maybe I was kind of expecting a little bit more battle scenes and stuff. They aren't rare, just a little less than I expected.

So, if you're into WW2, give it a shot. It's about 5 young friends during the war,3 men, 2 women, and of course one of them is Jewish. Men are on the Russian front except the Jew who somehow ends up with Polish resistance, one of the girls is a nurse and the other one is a singer.

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posted January 04, 2014 11:05 PM

Pretty controveersial thing. I'd be very wary of it.

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posted January 04, 2014 11:14 PM

Like what?

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posted January 04, 2014 11:34 PM

Like what? Official protesst of Russia and Poland, hisstorians critisize the choice of characters, there are some historical flaws ...
It's a minority movie - there may have been a minority of people like that in Germany, but it wouldn't seem to be representative, especially when it comes to the general stance with a view on Jews.
The movie doesn't communicate that a lot of people stood behind what was happening because they thought it was right.
Poless and Russians are sketched rather negatively...

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posted January 04, 2014 11:44 PM

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Poless and Russians are sketched rather negatively...

Hmmm, I didn't think that was on a racist generalization level. I rather read the negative aspects as a part of the whole "war brings out the worst in people" motive (motive as in leitmotive).

If this series is seen as racist you must have very high standards about the issue but then again it's easy to see why this is a very touchy subject in Germany.

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posted January 04, 2014 11:50 PM

No, it'ss not racist, it's the sketching of Russians as being generally drinking, plundering and raping, for example.

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posted January 04, 2014 11:56 PM

If everybody aiming for an artwork is limited to depict every race, people or individuals only under their best angle, they will look all alike and bland. Recalls me the recent movies and political speeches; to avoid.  
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posted January 05, 2014 07:19 AM

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No, it's not racist, it's the sketching of Russians as being generally drinking, plundering and raping, for example

Well, that itself could have been racist, if it was a generalization of no substance just to make Russians look bad. The Nazis thought Slavic races were inferior too, so in the Russian  front (which was though enough as it is, btw) they treated all the civilians like snow, there were many executions and mass killings. Of course, this caused a reaction, the Russians, when taking back territory, were just as brutal to prisoners and collaborators. And in places like Ukraine, people were really fed up with the Stalin regime, they first saw the invaders as their savior, until they realized they were treated even worse now.

Anyway, I'm sure you know these things already, it's your countries' history. The strictly relevant part is, in the series, the German characters do some terrible things, too. They are not demonized but they are not sterilized either. So, we don't watch the acts of Russian soldiers as meaningless berserk or plunder, we watch it as a brutal reaction to what's going on. The Russian front in WW2 is one of the most violent and awful messes in modern history. I mean, its Hitler fighting Stalin, enough said.

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posted January 05, 2014 10:09 AM

Salamandre said:
If everybody aiming for an artwork is limited to depict every race, people or individuals only under their best angle, they will look all alike and bland. Recalls me the recent movies and political speeches; to avoid.  

No, the criticism is something different.
It's more or less one-sided. On one hand, the German main characters are educated capital city elite children who take literature to the front, on the other ALL Russians without exception are of the primitive/brutal sort.
Then the really convincing Jew haters are Poles.
Then there is a lot of nonsense going on, like Polish partisans attacking an armed train, instead of simply sabotaging the rails, like it was done in reality. They wear a uniform, which they didn't, and even one with the Ghetto armband. In areas where the Russians never were in 1939 people fear the russians coming back...

This guy here isn't even mentioned.

There is also a very relevant criticism about the realism of the story as such. This guy says, realistic would have been, if the group of Polish partisans in the end - instead of tampering with the bigos - had been overrun by the Red Army, Viktor had been outed as Jew and would have been overtaken into the Red Army, while all Poles would have had been liquidated or deportated, whether Antisemits or not, but that would have given only character without guilt a negative aspect.

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posted January 05, 2014 10:38 AM

I don't see how those arguments play in, as this is a movie, not a documentary. Is like saying that Chuck Norris "lost in mission" movies are suspicious because all viets in are bloody assassins.
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posted January 05, 2014 12:39 PM

That's one of the reasons why the MIA trilogy is widely considered racist crap with questionable values.
Now keep in mind that the MIA stuff is basically What-If-stuff. It's like we'd see a German movie, in which ex German SS make a commando raid into Siberia to free the last German war prisoners - more or less fantasy.

The movie in question, however, is supposed to take place before the background of a RECENT historical event (for which a wealth of sources exist).

I don't know about you, but even in an action movie - and this isn't one - I expect a somewhat accurate historical perspective, expecially when it's a German movie about WW2, and especially when it's a long one.

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posted January 05, 2014 12:51 PM

If its ww2 you're into I suggest you all just give "Band of brothers" a glimpse instead, its much more enjoyable and a great tv show as well

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posted January 05, 2014 03:08 PM
Edited by artu at 15:13, 05 Jan 2014.

Band of Brothers is indeed very good. I finished it in two days watching the episodes non-stop. But I guess anybody into WW2 already knows about it. This was a show I never heard of before. I don't know how famous is it in Germany.

Spoilers on the German Show ahead

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on the other ALL Russians without exception are of the primitive/brutal sort

How about the Russian-Jew doctor? Although the German nurse tells on her and gives her away to the Gestapo, later she does not take revenge.. And she's educated (more than the nurse, she even kind of trains her) and sophisticated.

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posted January 05, 2014 05:03 PM

I don't think she counts as a Russian (SOWJETrussian).

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posted January 10, 2014 11:48 AM

New tv show...

Trailer

First 15 minutes....


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posted January 15, 2014 09:57 PM

A Touch of Class 1 through 3  
I honestly think I know all episodes by heart by now - ish  
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posted January 19, 2014 07:10 AM

I'm watching the 3rd (and final) season of Spartacus (War of the Damned) and I have to say it's pretty fine television. It's a shame more people can't get past their preconceptions about it being little more than graphic violence and T&A. Yeah, it's got that in spades, and sometimes (ok a lot of times) it crosses the border into excessive. On the other hand, the production values are incredible and the writing/acting/script is top notch. I'm amazed at what the producers have been able to eek out of a television budget.
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posted January 19, 2014 07:56 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 07:58, 19 Jan 2014.

And how!

I haven't ordered the 3rd one yet. The 2nd season was better than the 1st.
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posted January 19, 2014 08:17 AM

Too many homos scenes for my taste. The war actions special effects/slow down are copy/pasted from Frank Miller's 300 movie yet they are very effective and spectacular.
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posted January 19, 2014 09:04 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 09:14, 19 Jan 2014.

I'm pretty sure slow motion was employed into action scenes prior to 2006. Just because 300 has that one famous slow motion scene with Leonidas doesn't make the film industry excluded from using it for the rest of time.
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