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Elvin
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posted November 14, 2016 12:10 PM

Salamandre said:
On an ironical note, I bought all CD's Stargate and StarGate Atlantis (200 CD) but they are so pathetically organized -no way to know which CD holds which season or episode, some are empty or contain advertising for other shows, no manual or notice, that I found myself, after a few and tedious attempts, to pick from streaming again.

But at least that is legal.

I was very fond of the series, sad to hear they are treating it like this.
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tSar-Ivor
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posted November 14, 2016 01:17 PM

@JJ I think worded like this sounds a lot better.
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artu
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posted November 14, 2016 03:27 PM
Edited by artu at 16:09, 14 Nov 2016.

@JJ

When I compare stealing from a friend's wallet and downloading illegal content, I am not talking about the size of the wallet but rather (for lack of a better word) the emotional aspect/impact of the act, on both sides and the social acceptability . And even if we compare something less personal such as stealing a can of beans from a mall etc, there is still a difference. As you mentioned yourself, what is considered shameful in a society and what is considered illegal aren't always in perfect sync, maybe this will change in the future but as of now, downloading digital copies of a product which can be duplicated infinitely from (very popular) internet sites and actually stealing physical material are not perceived the same. This is not always coming from a rationally constructed ethical objection, it's just the way it is. Imagine, in the future, bees become protected species for environmental reasons and it becomes illegal to kill them, the impact of a person who kills a bee buzzing over the breakfast table and a person who kills kittens still wont cause the same reaction. I wont craft a theory on why at the moment, but we, by intuition, are much more tolerant to illegal downloading compared to traditional theft. Even if you don't download illegal stuff yourself for example, you wont treat the ones who do as petty criminals. You may warn them every once in a while about doing the right thing, but your general attitude towards them wont change much. Maybe that's because we witness no direct harm from such acts. I'm sure, it has effects on the market both positive and negative (the positive would be that such leeching indeed has the effect of bees spreading pollens and causing the product to sell more in the end sometimes), it doesn't seem to be concrete enough to reshape the society's moral codes significantly. When we hear of a regular person getting a heavy penalty of thousands of dollars for downloading a song or a TV show, the common reaction still isn't "well, he had it coming" or "that's the way to go." We have a tendency to see the person as a victim, who just drew the short stick about doing something most people do anyhow.
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posted November 14, 2016 05:02 PM

@ artu
I said it's my PERSONAL view on things - and it would seem that society sees a "no" as a somewhat different case in answering to the proposition "I want to use your vagina for my pleasure" as for "I want to use your car for my pleasure".

Which means, I don't see your point here.

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artu
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posted November 14, 2016 05:10 PM
Edited by artu at 17:12, 14 Nov 2016.

My point is, your comparisons are a little out of proportion and even though you write like this, my guess is, you know a lot of people who download stuff and in reality, you don't treat them as potential scoundrels who would screw over their school mates:
JollyJoker said:
Maybe you should ask yourself this: with your attitude, why would ANYONE - school mates or study colleagues, say - trust you in any way? An easy opportunity, and you'll screw them over, is what your attitude suggests, because where is the difference between society as a whole and a couple of individuals?

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posted November 14, 2016 06:37 PM

I don't trust people who justify the violation of copyrights "because it's easy and no one is hurt", and I wouldn't give anyone of those access to my stuff.

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artu
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posted November 14, 2016 06:52 PM

Well, in my experience, people, including the ones who are even stritcly loyal to their 10 dollar "debts" somehow turn into completely unreliable bums when it comes to returning CD's or books, even if they cost a 100 dollars, so I never lend those to anybody, anyway.
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posted November 14, 2016 07:20 PM

I still don't see your point.

If the house comes down when ALL people dodge fare, then it's wrong when SOME do it with the justification that no one is hurt, because it's not true that no one is hurt or damaged. You just cannot determine the exact damage for those the dodgers hide behind, as you cannot determine the damage for those who legally buy and those who hide behind them and do it illegally.

Same thing with environmental stuff. Getting legally rid of certain waste, defunkt stuff and so on cost money because the environmentally safe waste elimination may be expensive. Or it may be "work", bringing stuff like batteries to the collecting depots and so on. If there are only A FEW people who simply dumping their waste in the woods or bury it somewhere or simply put it in the regular waste, the consequences will be minimal.
If everyone does it, well, game over.

That society has a lax moral in this regard - well surprise. Consider who is an artist and lives off of copyright protection, and who isn't. Vast majority isn't, and if I load down one song illegally, so what?

But from experience we should know better than that. Just one this or that has never worked well - and MAJORITY morals, well, you don't want to discuss that.
You also don't want to discuss easiness - opportunity makes thieves ... the stronger someone is, the easier it is to simply take what they want by force, something we vehemently don't want - but just because it's PHYSICAL?
But no, we also protect the mentally poor from being taken advantage of. We wouldn't want people to be stolen from, just because they "won't miss it".

And by the way, I wouldn't trust an illegal downloader with a public office either - think of the justification ritual when it comes out of a politician's mouth.

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artu
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posted November 14, 2016 07:39 PM

My last post was rather something slightly relevant in the manner of small talk rather than a point. As I said, I'm not saying that illegal downloading is "the right thing to do." But your objection against it seems a little overpassionate than it would be in face to face life, just guessing.

In the end, new platforms always bring with them new solutions which, in case of music for example, are things like Spotify and Apple Music where you pay a monthly or annual small and more than reasonable fee to have access to all the their archives, TV isn't just there yet, at least not everywhere.
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Salamandre
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posted November 14, 2016 08:02 PM

Elvin said:

I was very fond of the series, sad to hear they are treating it like this.


Oh bro, finally I find another fan except me here. I watched the whole show probably 15 times. And of course, if you want to play some StargateHeroes, now you can

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posted November 14, 2016 08:12 PM

I'm not "overpassionate" - I just think that the road to hell not only is paved with good intentions, but also with the word "peccadillo".

I also think that people with no regard for societal responsibility and intellectual property in favor of their own consumer greed are people I deem to be too immature to have much respect for, and patience is not one of my virtues, o it's better for everyone when I simply ignore them.

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Zenofex
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posted November 14, 2016 09:10 PM
Edited by Zenofex at 21:11, 14 Nov 2016.

Intellectual property is much too broad a topic to link it to "societal responsibility" (hopefully I get what that means), let alone maturity. Civilizations thrived for millennia without it and somehow still managed to produce great cultural, philosophical and scientific achievements.

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posted November 14, 2016 09:40 PM

Well, civilizations thrived for millennia without human rights, democracy, capitalism, gender equality and a lot of other things we are proud of as achievements, so this isn't really a point but more an insult to everyone being able to count to 1.

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artu
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posted November 14, 2016 09:51 PM

Let's see, something tells me Zenofex wouldn't define capitalism exactly as "an achievement to be proud of" and his post above has also something to do with that!

I think, it would be anachronic to compare the patronage system(s) of the old with today's world though. "High art" still gets that to some degree, and entertainment (folkloric art) was not a product for consumers but rather something people did on their own locally.
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posted November 14, 2016 10:01 PM

You can delete capitalism, if you want. Doesn't change anything.

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Zenofex
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posted November 14, 2016 10:25 PM

It actually changes everything.

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JollyJoker
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posted November 14, 2016 10:44 PM

Not the fact that your post isn't worth crap.

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Zenofex
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posted November 14, 2016 11:00 PM

You truly make a solid point here. Next time I'll make sure my posts are worth enough crap for you.

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posted November 14, 2016 11:08 PM

The standard you set with that civilization thriving without post will be difficult to beat, though.

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Elvin
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posted November 15, 2016 06:48 AM

Salamandre said:
Elvin said:

I was very fond of the series, sad to hear they are treating it like this.


Oh bro, finally I find another fan except me here. I watched the whole show probably 15 times. And of course, if you want to play some StargateHeroes, now you can

I watched a good part of sg1 back when I had a satellite channel but man did that series expand! Never got around to watching the rest.
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