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Kwarc
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 30, 2011 09:00 PM |
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Edited by Kwarc at 17:40, 19 Nov 2011.
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Alternatives
Hello, there is one think from H5 that I really miss - alternatives. But I still think that BH will add this in some expansion pack, so I made my hypothetical list.
I HAVEN
1. Core:
a) Arblaster
~ Armour Piercing, Living
~ Scatter Shot - Inflicts ranged damage to all targets in eighbouring tiles with target creature.
b) Centurion
~ Living - Can be healed and resurrected.
~ Pavise - Reduces ranged damage dealt to the creature by 50%.
~ Defender - All friendly creatures located on neighbouring tiles get only 50% of damage from non-magical shooting attacks.
~ Armoured - Negates all spells and effects that decrease Defense.
c) Sibyl
~ Living - Can be healed and resurrected.
~ Cure - The creature can heal friendly unit and dispel all negative effects from this stack.
~ Light of the Life - Increase base value of Health Points for every friendly units on neighbouring tiles by 5%.
2. Elite:
a) Starlit Glory
~ Spirit Form, Speed of Light, Vulnerable to Shadow Magic, Living
~ Purification - This unit can dispel all negative effects from neighbouring friendly units.
~ Morning Star - For this creature and all friendly units located on tiles adjacent to it, magic resistance is increased by 30%.
b) Battle Griffin
~ Unlimited Retaliation, Living
~ Battle Dive - Diving Attack of this creature deal 200 percent of normal damage.
~ Fierce Retaliation - The creature inflicts once-and-a-half its normal damage in retaliation.
c) Sun Cavalier
~ Living - Can be healed and resurrected.
~ Battle Charge - Creature gets a 5% bonus to damage it inflicts during attack for each tile it covered on the battlefield before the attack.
~ Glaring Stallion - There is a chance to blind all enemy creatures that this unit pass by.
3. Champion:
a) Malakhim
~ Living - Can be healed and resurrected.
~ Child of the Light - Any positive Light Magic effect, cast by anyone, will also be applied on this creature on Expert level, offensive ones will heal this unit Health Points.
~ Blade of Renewal - Renews all abilities of chosen unit.
~ Blade of Justice - Deals additional damage per every killed friendly creature by attacked enemy.
II INFERNO
1. Core:
a) Deranged
~ Twisted Mind, Fireproof Skin, Vulnerable to Light Magic, Living
~ Kill Frenzy - Increases Damage of this unit if their last attack kill any enemy unit.
b) Orthos
~ Unlimited Retaliation, Fireproof Skin, Vulnerable to Light Magic, Living
~ Eye of Voracity - Increases Damage of the creature by 20% on all targets that haven't damaged it in last turn.
~ Insatiability - The creature strike second time.
c) Brachina
~ Fireproof Skin, Vulnerable to Light Magic, Living
~ Hellfire - This creature inflicts damage to selected target and the three other targets nearest to it.
~ Flame of Revenge - Creature retaliates after enemy ranged attack with its own ranged attack without chain shot.
2. Elite:
a) Crippler
~ Fireproof Skin, Vulnerable to Light Magic, Living
~ Sharp Spikes - Retractable Spikes will cause a certain amount of damage during the next three turns.
~ Pain Desire - Increase base value of this unit's Health Points if enemy creature killed any units in their stack.
b) Breeder Elder
~ Fireproof Skin, Vulnerable to Light Magic, Living
~ Mana Absorption - When damaging, the creature drains 10% of enemy Hero's Mana and use to create new units in their stack.
c) Moloch
~ Fireproof Skin, Vulnerable to Light Magic, Living
~ Destruction March - Damage dealed to target is increased for each hitted object during this unit's charge.
~ Explosion - When last unit in this stack dies this creature explodes suffering damage from Fire to all neighbouring.
3. Champion
a) Pit Spawn
~ Blinded by Rage, Fireproof Skin, Vulnerable to Light Magic, Living
~ Hostility - Increase Attack and Damage of this unit depending on number of enemy army.
~ Sword of Slaughter - Give bonus to this unit's Damage per every creature in target stack.
~ Sword of Revenge - This unit's Attack is increased depending on number of friendly units killed by target creature.
III NECROPOLIS
1. Core:
a) Skeletal Harpooner
~ Hollow Bones, Undead, Vulnerable to Light Magic, Emotionless
~ Harpoon Strike - This creature can drag the target up one tile closer to it and cancelling all Initiative the target has accumulated.
b) Ghoul Scavenger
~ Dead Flesh, Undead, Vulnerable to Light Magic, Emotionless
~ Plague - Decrease Attack, Defense and Morale of all living units on neighbouring tiles.
c) Wight
~ Immaterial, Undead, Vulnerable to Light Magic, Emotionless
~ Voice from Afterlife - This unit can add part of spirits from creatures killed during the battle to their stack.
2. Elite:
a) Lich Master
~ Undead, Vulnerable to Light Magic, Emotionless
~ Death Bonds - Revives part of killed units as Skeletal Spearman.
b) Nosferatu
~ Vampiric Embrace, Undead, Vulnerable to Light Magic, Emotionless
~ Torpor - This creature has a chance to put an enemy into deep slumber by its attack.
c) Rot Lamassu
~ Undead, Vulnerable to Light Magic, Emotionless
~ Poisonous Attack - Attacked enemy will cause a certain amount of damage during the next three turns.
~ Plague Breath - Inflict quarter of normal damage to all living creatures near this unit.
3. Champion
a) Fate Mistress
~ Dual Forms, Spirit Form, Undead, Vulnerable to Light Magic, Emotionless
* Human Form
~ Darkness Shield - Unit will deal minimal damage to this creature during melee attack.
~ Touch of Weakness - Attacked unit will deal minimal damage and have reduced base value of Health Points.
* Spider Form
~ Cursing Bite - Casts random curse during attack.
~ Viscous Web - Creates web traps on tiles crossed by this unit.
IV STRONGHOLD
1. Core:
a) Goblin Poacher
~ Demonic Lineage, Living
~ Shackling - Reduces Speed of chosen stack and deals damage when their move.
b) Erinys
~ Strike and Return, Living
~ First Attack - this creature always attack before enemy units.
c) Slayer
~ Shielded, Demonic Lineage, Living
~ Enraged - This creature's Attack increases during combat when any stack of friendly units dies.
~ Swift Strike - Negates all effect decreasing Speed and canceling attack.
2. Elite:
a) Centaur Intruder
~ Manoeuvre, Vigilant Scout, Living
~ Precision - When shooting at close range, creatures inflict heavier damage because the target's defense is not effective.
b) Dreamhunter
~ Demonic Lineage, Living
~ Rage of Ancestors - Chosen unit will suffer damage depending on number of creatures killed by them.
c) Tiger Warrior
~ Demonic Lineage, Living
~ Steadfastness - This creature is immune to mind-affecting spells.
~ Cleave - If this creature's attack kills at least one creature in the target stack, it performs an additional strike.
3. Champion:
a) Savage Cyclops
~ Impervious to Pain, Demonic Lineage, Living
~ Panic - There's a chance the enemy attacked by this creature forgot about retaliation, try run to the edge of area and lose his initiative.
~ Area Attack - Range strike of this creature inflict damage to all creatures near to target.
V SANCTUARY
1. Core:
a) Kappa Kaeru
~ Leap, Resistance to Water, Vulnerablility to Air, Amphibian, Living
~ Splash - Inflicts additional damage from Water to neigbouring units and soaks them.
b) Daiago
~ Resistance to Water, Vulnerablility to Air, Amphibian, Living
~ Crippling Wound - Attack of this creature reduce base value of target's Health Points and inflict then 15% of this unit's damage.
c) Amber Priestess
~ Resistance to Water, Vulnerablility to Air, Amphibian, Living, Wave of Renewal
~ Tides of Renewal - Heals all friendly stacks and dispel random negative effects from them.
2. Elite:
a) Kawa-Shimai
~ Spirit Form, Resistance to Water, Vulnerablility to Air, Amphibian, Living
~ Pain Shield - Reflects 20% of melee damage.
~ Spirit Shackle - Creates 'Spirit Shackle' between this unit and enemy stack. Linked stack will get part of linking unit's damage and will channel negative effects from them.
b) Fuyu-Shojo
~ Resistance to Water, Vulnerablility to Air, Amphibian, Living
~ Winter Breath - Chills all enemy creatures occuping squares near to this units.
~ Ice Bolt - Deals damage from Water and freezes victim.
c) Sentoki
~ Resistance to Water, Vulnerablility to Air, Amphibian, Living
~ Four Blades Slash - Every attacks of this units inflict damage to creatures occupying four squares.
3. Champion
a) Shenron
~ Water Flows Freely, Resistance to Water, Vulnerablility to Air, Amphibian, Living
~ Trail of Storm - On squares crossed by this unit are created storm dealing damage to enemy stacks and regenerating Health Point of allies.
~ Blizzard Breath - This creature deal damage to unit behind the target. Attacked units will be Frozen.
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Jiriki9
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Altar Dweller
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posted November 20, 2011 12:57 PM |
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OK, I'm not at all into H6, but I think this thread deserves an answer so some comments. Some may be stupid if one really knows H6, but here is what comments I have:
I HAVEN
1. Core:
a) Arblaster
Hmmm I don't think the ability so creative or worthy, I have to say. Name is fine, I think.
b) Centurion
nice at it is, I think
c) Sibyl
I don't know what the ability "Light of Life" is supposed to do, honestly^^ Does it increase the sybils max health or that of neighbouring creatures? and how exactly?
2. Elite:
a) Starlit Glory
name is ok, morning star is nice. purification - another dispeller?!
b) Battle Griffin
creative name  but classic is fine sometimes.
Abilities are fine, though rather strong
c) Sun Cavalier
not outstanding, but ok
3. Champion:
a) Malakhim
Where comes the name from? The only time i've seen the wor dis in Civ4 mod "Fall from Heaven" (2 I think) where it is a race of desert priests...what does blade of renewal do? What do you mena by "renews abilities"? for the other blade, I think it should better be determined which creatures where killed, as well.
So far for now. maybe someone else can do the comments for other factions, as I'm, as mentioned, not at all proficient in H6 (never played it)
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Kwarc
Adventuring Hero
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posted November 21, 2011 10:12 PM |
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Edited by Kwarc at 22:17, 21 Nov 2011.
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I HAVEN
1. Core
a) Arblaster
I know that its ability isn't creative, but we need strong alternative to Piercing Bolt.
b) Centurion
Thx 
c) Sibyl
She gives 5% bonus to HP of nearbly allies.
2. Elite
a) Starlit Glory
Yep, another dispeller. I was looking for some nice alternative for slightly mismatched abilities of Blazing Glory.
b) Battle Griffin
Good abilities isn't bad 
c) Sun Cavalier
Gamers see better alternatives, but he is quit good
3. Champion
a) Malakhim
Name comes from here. What Blade of Renewal do? For example you have to wait three turns between uses of Cyclops special attack or you can only heal units two times using Vestal ability. Malakhim Blade will renew their gauge. You have right with Blade of Justice. It's should work like Divine Justice used by Seraph in H5. Now it's to similar to Sword of Revenge.
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yasmiel
Supreme Hero
Former Chessmaster
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posted November 22, 2011 12:13 AM |
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To be honest i never liked alternative upgrades. It is nearly impossible to balance out, especially if you give them too much freedom, like in H5.
I would suggest a similar but more moderate approach.
Take H5 Tote for example.
A player selects a kit (gold or red haven for example, demonic or regular orcs), and that kit is active for the faction in a given map.
Balancing 2 kits against each other is always much easier than balancing every single unit itself. It has been confirmed (by patch time) that developer doesn't have the power (be it manpower or something else) to deal with the long standing problems, and alternative upgrades would cause one.
On a positive note, new kit can almost feel like new faction, but is much cheaper to produce.
So all these recommendations could work as an alternative kit so everyone's list is still valid even for me 
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