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fersch
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posted November 05, 2011 04:33 PM |
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Poll Question:
What is the WORST faction in the game?
Hey everyone!
I've been curious to see what everyones opinion on the worst faction/allignment in the game is. In my opinion, its inferno (also in homm3 and homm5) but im curious to see what everyone elses opinion is.
Thanks for voting everybody! 
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feluniozbunio
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posted November 05, 2011 05:22 PM |
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Zenofex
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posted November 05, 2011 05:29 PM |
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Inferno was - by far - not the worst faction in Heroes III and was made relatively competitive in HoMM V TotE but now... Still, they can be brought up just a little tweaking here and there, unlike the original Heroes V Inferno which was a disaster all around.
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Momo
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posted November 06, 2011 03:50 AM |
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Thats an easy one xD
Why so?
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Avirosb
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posted November 06, 2011 03:56 AM |
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Well, I used to like all of them.
But now I don't.
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xerox
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posted November 06, 2011 04:24 AM |
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Inferno will be fine once they búff their survivability. It makes no sense for them to have so low defensive stats when you look at how they play.
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blizzardboy
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posted November 06, 2011 04:48 AM |
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I don't know what it is with Ubisoft and wanting to gimp Inferno. And similar to H5, it's not really so much that the individual units and abilities are sucky (although H6 gating may need a boost); it's that the synergy of the faction wouldn't be worth pissing on in a fire. No wonder Urgash is so belligerent. He's probably nerdraging because his creation is a piece of **** compared to Ashan. I don't even know why the demon eclipse is considered a big deal. There's an eclipse and then a bunch of fiery magical morons come out of portals and get gunned down by superior armies.
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kodial79
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posted November 06, 2011 07:30 AM |
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Yup the Eclipse should be considered a festival for the people of Ashan.
"Grab your pitchforks, peasants! The demons are coming and if you kill 10, you get a free sandwhich! Kill one hundred and you get a pizza! No gold cause it's too easy."
Seriously, the people of Ashan should be more worried about a stray dog rather than a demon invasion.
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alcibiades
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posted November 06, 2011 09:33 AM |
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Inferno was - by far - not the worst faction in Heroes III ...
They weren't? Which was worse?
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Nelgirith
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posted November 06, 2011 10:11 AM |
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Inferno was - by far - not the worst faction in Heroes III ...
They weren't? Which was worse?
That depends on what criterion you judge the "badness" of a faction. I loved H3 Hades, but I truely despised H3 Tower, Haven and Conflux 
In H6, it's hard to say which faction is the worst because they all have a lot of bad points and very few interesting features - do they seriously still think the gameplay is different from a faction to another ? I'd say Sanctuary is the worst (most uninteresting) faction in H6.
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Zenofex
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posted November 06, 2011 11:45 AM |
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They weren't? Which was worse?
The Heroes III Inferno is among the most strategically adaptive factions in the game and offers much more than meets the eye if you have patience to learn it. Sure, it has its weakness, some of which are pretty serious, it is not noob-friendly like Castle but can do some pretty nasty things. It's underpowered only on the smallest maps, otherwise you can take on most of the other factions with it.
The worst? I'd say Fortress, although I play with them quite a lot and really like them (especially the town music  ). But really, if you take Necropolis and Conflux out of the equation, there aren't seriously underpowered or overpowered factions in Heroes III.
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alcibiades
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posted November 06, 2011 02:54 PM |
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They weren't? Which was worse?
The Heroes III Inferno is among the most strategically adaptive factions in the game and offers much more than meets the eye if you have patience to learn it. Sure, it has its weakness, some of which are pretty serious, it is not noob-friendly like Castle but can do some pretty nasty things. It's underpowered only on the smallest maps, otherwise you can take on most of the other factions with it.
The worst? I'd say Fortress, although I play with them quite a lot and really like them (especially the town music ). But really, if you take Necropolis and Conflux out of the equation, there aren't seriously underpowered or overpowered factions in Heroes III.
I certainly won't rule out the possibility of there being certain niche tactics that can have Inferno rule the game, but looking just at the basics, they have a level 2 unit that sucks (it's pretty crappy in itself, and then it damages your own troops if they are in melee, lols), they have a level 4 unit which has no merits other than being able to soak up decent amounts of damage, they have a level 5 unit which does good damage but which is really easy to kill, and a level 6 unit about which the same is true. Sure, I loved my Efrit Sultans, but on the bottom line, they were just not that great, at least not on their own, and that was often how they ended. And last but not least, they had a level 7 unit that was decent but which was grotesquely overpriced, its dwelling even more so.
That's not saying that you couldn't win as Inferno, but I just think they had a really rough deal compared to the other factions. And yes, Fortress was in the same boat in many ways, but at least they had some fun units like the Mighty Gorgon, which also opened a good synergy with their tanky level 7, because it would allow you to take out the opponents level 7's quickly while you outlasted them.
But I guess we're grossly off topic here.
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Cepheus
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posted November 06, 2011 03:09 PM |
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Edited by Cepheus at 15:14, 06 Nov 2011.
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I know you like your Kreegans, Zenofex , but I think it is fair to say there is indeed a broad consensus even among the more obsessive ToH people that the Inferno is by far the riskiest/weakest H3 faction to choose, objectively speaking.
Of course there are interesting strategies one can pull with Pit Lords, but as you say, it takes a lot of patience (and luck!) to master. And the heroes are all but worthless. You say Fortress is the worst, but even if you consider its creatures completely horrible, it breaks the game in spades if you end up with Tazar and his astronomically-OP Armorer specialty.
It seems to be a tried-and-true maxim that no matter the game, the Inferno unilaterally needs to suck, so to speak.
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Avirosb
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posted November 06, 2011 03:19 PM |
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Well at least Inferno's town screen/town theme combo has always been top not— Oh wait
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OhforfSake
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posted November 06, 2011 03:21 PM |
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Speaking of towns in heroes 3, I personally don't think there's any "bad" towns. It more comes down to the player and what he/she prefers.
Also, if you've played a lot of maps, you'd know that the usefulness of the town depends a lot on the map. If I had to pick one I dislike the most, I guess I'd have to go with Dungeon, but I also really enjoy playing Dungeon. I think it's epic fun to go for troglodyte rush, especially on small maps. I really enjoy the possibility of the armageddon + black dragons, or if I get Alamar, then resurrection (via his scholar to a better hero) + red dragons. Not to mention the artifact merchant can often pull out some game winners, and who doesn't like an extra amount of level 7-10 creatures through the portal of summoning?
Edit: But I must say, if there's one town the AI in heroes 3 is really really bad with, then it's Inferno. It never seem to hoard demons, it seems to take more than a month before they buy their level 7 building, which I often find affordable on the first week and the computer seems to priotize other upgrades than efreeti's and pit fiends.
Which is why, when playing against the computer, when you yourself have Inferno, there's really no need to do a lot, as soon as you've devils week 1, or even week 2, it won't take long before you've won the game. Which I guess is where people's complains about the low health of arch devils comes into play, since you don't really need them tactically against the computer, the advantage of their low health turns into a disadvantage, as you're trying to take out flies with a cannon.
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Fauch
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posted November 06, 2011 03:32 PM |
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Edited by Fauch at 15:38, 06 Nov 2011.
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archdevil overpriced? maybe a little bit, but they are definitely one of the best tier 7 creatures. their speed + no retaliation is very strong.
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the computer seems to priotize other upgrades than efreeti's and pit fiends
I haven't played in long time, but I think I went for sultan efreeti first. then cerberus or archdevil.
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OhforfSake
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posted November 06, 2011 03:45 PM |
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Well efreeti sultans + shooters is in my opinion a very easy way to take on the map with relative few units. Especially because Inferno have ammo cart. If I found myself on a map with very few ressources (so you won't be able to get Devils before week 2 or maybe even 3), it could be a way to deal with it.
Though to be honest, I don't remember the last random map where I couldn't buy 3 devils at week 2, or even having 6 after taking out a devil dwelling in week 1. When I get archdevils I find that I often have plenty of gold to buy what I need. There are after all a lot of places to go for extra gold with a very low amount of challenge for a town like Inferno, where speed rules the day, and I do love speed.
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Fauch
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posted November 06, 2011 03:53 PM |
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lol yeah. and why do you think sorceress was my favourite town in H2?
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OhforfSake
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posted November 06, 2011 03:56 PM |
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Because of the speed of the phoenix? Too bad they aren't Armageddon immunge in Homm 2 though, but I think they're immune to elemental storm, right?
I remember I really disliked playing against phoenixes in heroes 2, because they'd go first and my black dragons would destroy my own units when they made them do the breath attack! At least that was until I realised you could choose between two positionings in the game and then it was avoidable.
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Fauch
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posted November 06, 2011 04:04 PM |
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you forgot the 2 shooters.
and you could almost always cast the first spell
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