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Thread: Forget Heroes 6 => Jon van Caneghem : Exec. Producer of C&C Generals 2 !!
X-ecutionner
X-ecutionner


Known Hero
posted December 30, 2011 01:33 PM
Edited by x-ecutionner at 13:34, 30 Dec 2011.

Forget Heroes 6 => Jon van Caneghem : Exec. Producer of C&C Generals 2 !!

http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/121/1214474p1.html

That's right, our god who left New World Computing back in the early 2000's has been hired by E.A. some years ago, and is currently at work to produce C&C Generals 2.

PS: Although it's quite obvious, JVC won't be a programmer like he used to be in his first games (d'oh!), but instead in charge of the production of the game.

While the RTS genre was abit "dead" since 2007-2008, and especially the release of Starcraft 2 in 2010 and the death of C&C franchise,the empire strikes back !

TBA 2013 !

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posted January 01, 2012 08:42 AM

JVC may be the producer, but the developer is... Bioware ??! Bioware Victory, a company which previously had nothing to do with Bioware, it had completely different name. Now they're using Bioware as a brand. Eww.

Even if it was the real Bioware, would you trust Bioware to produce a good, bug-free RTS game ?
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posted January 01, 2012 08:59 AM
Edited by Darkshadow at 09:00, 01 Jan 2012.

So, this is generals with basebuilding, ridiculous cartoony combat and incompetenzios are developing it.

Nothing could possibly go wrong

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the empire strikes back !


Im sorry to inform you but the C&C empire died with Westwood
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posted January 01, 2012 09:28 AM
Edited by x-ecutionner at 09:31, 01 Jan 2012.

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So, this is generals with basebuilding, ridiculous cartoony combat and incompetenzios are developing it.

Nothing could possibly go wrong

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the empire strikes back !


Im sorry to inform you but the C&C empire died with Westwood


I heard this story with Fallout 3 too. The fact is, Bethesda did a better job than Obsidian with Fallout New Vegas. Obsidian are the Fallout creators tho.

PS : Westwood which became Petroglyph ? the same company that then did Star Wars : Empire at war, Universe at War, And the incredibly bad F2P Rise of Immortals ? lol what a switch bro, idk if most of their key members got fired, but Petroglyph really sucks.

When you look at Ensemble Studios (Age of Empire makers) that are now "Robot Entertainment", they are still very talented.

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posted January 01, 2012 10:03 AM

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The fact is, Bethesda did a better job than Obsidian with Fallout New Vegas.


EEeepp Wrong. If we look at Fallout 3 as a fallout game it compares pitifully.

Wayyyy back when C&C games were made by Westwood atleast they were decent, now the series is just another pile of trash spewing from the mouth of the EA gargantuan.
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Deathy
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Angels Galore
posted January 01, 2012 10:55 AM

DarkShadow is right. Fallout 3 was a joke compared to Fallout: New Vegas. I am 100% sure that i lost some braincells thanks to Fallout 3's incredibly stupid plot. and Obsidian are NOT the makers of Fallout, they simply have some people in there that used to be part of Black Isle.

as for C&C series, Tiberium and Red Alert worlds are dead but hey, atleast they are doing Generals so maybe they won't totally screw it up.
Too bad that EA games are usually unplayable in multiplayer thanks to bad balance.

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posted January 01, 2012 11:03 AM

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DarkShadow is right. Fallout 3 was a joke compared to Fallout: New Vegas. I am 100% sure that i lost some braincells thanks to Fallout 3's incredibly stupid plot. and Obsidian are NOT the makers of Fallout, they simply have some people in there that used to be part of Black Isle.

as for C&C series, Tiberium and Red Alert worlds are dead but hey, atleast they are doing Generals so maybe they won't totally screw it up.
Too bad that EA games are usually unplayable in multiplayer thanks to bad balance.


Command & Conquer 3 was an excellent RTS (not developed by Westwood, but by EA LA). You can always revive a franchise with a competent team. Talent is all what matters here.

Fallout 3 story may be bad, but the game is epic. Everybody agree that New Vegas is way worse.

Obsidians contains most of its key staff from Black Isle, so i'll say it's 70 % the same company.

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posted January 01, 2012 11:34 AM

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The fact is, Bethesda did a better job than Obsidian with Fallout New Vegas.
Fallout 3 does not deserve its name, it's one of the worst sequels in the gaming industry ever. Many people feared that Bethesda will turn the game into Oblivion with guns when the project was announced and they turned it into... Oblivion with guns but more boring (I was surprised that this is even possible). Obsidian had to salvage the game and to deal with the huge mess created by Bethesda and they did their job very well, considering the circumstances. New Vegas may not be  on a par with the first two games but at least it feels like a true sequel.
As for JVC - after Heroes III his trustworthyness has been... diminishing somewhat. No wonders should be expected.

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posted January 01, 2012 11:57 AM
Edited by x-ecutionner at 12:03, 01 Jan 2012.

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The fact is, Bethesda did a better job than Obsidian with Fallout New Vegas.
Fallout 3 does not deserve its name, it's one of the worst sequels in the gaming industry ever. Many people feared that Bethesda will turn the game into Oblivion with guns when the project was announced and they turned it into... Oblivion with guns but more boring


91/100 at Metacritic compared to 84/100 for Fallout New Vegas.
Finish them both to see why.
New Vegas follows the Fallout name, But Fallout 3 is just a better game. End of story.

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As for JVC - after Heroes III his trustworthyness has been... diminishing somewhat. No wonders should be expected.


Basically, what has been JVC's role during H4 development ? I really wonder.

Also why didn't he accept Ubisoft proposal to make H5 ?...


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posted January 01, 2012 12:04 PM
Edited by Darkshadow at 12:05, 01 Jan 2012.

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The fact is, Bethesda did a better job than Obsidian with Fallout New Vegas.
Fallout 3 does not deserve its name, it's one of the worst sequels in the gaming industry ever. Many people feared that Bethesda will turn the game into Oblivion with guns when the project was announced and they turned it into... Oblivion with guns but more boring


91/100 at Metacritic compared to 84/100 for Fallout New Vegas.
Finish them both to see why.
New Vegas follows the Fallout name, But Fallout 3 is just a better game. End of story.




>looks at metacritic scores

>thinks his opinion is superior to everyone else's

ughhh

I have finished them both and as someone who is a fan of the Fallout series I can say that Fallout 3 is an absolute piece of turd in every way compared to Fallout New Vegas.
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posted January 01, 2012 12:17 PM

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Quote:
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The fact is, Bethesda did a better job than Obsidian with Fallout New Vegas.
Fallout 3 does not deserve its name, it's one of the worst sequels in the gaming industry ever. Many people feared that Bethesda will turn the game into Oblivion with guns when the project was announced and they turned it into... Oblivion with guns but more boring


91/100 at Metacritic compared to 84/100 for Fallout New Vegas.
Finish them both to see why.
New Vegas follows the Fallout name, But Fallout 3 is just a better game. End of story.




Nobody cares about reviews from these gamesites, they are bought reviews anyway. Everywhere else in the internet except for bethesdas own forums, New Vegas is considered the better game. As for playing them and seeing why, i did that and it's exactly why i consider New Vegas to be so much better. It has better quests, better world, same combat.

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posted January 01, 2012 01:23 PM
Edited by x-ecutionner at 13:24, 01 Jan 2012.

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Quote:
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The fact is, Bethesda did a better job than Obsidian with Fallout New Vegas.
Fallout 3 does not deserve its name, it's one of the worst sequels in the gaming industry ever. Many people feared that Bethesda will turn the game into Oblivion with guns when the project was announced and they turned it into... Oblivion with guns but more boring


91/100 at Metacritic compared to 84/100 for Fallout New Vegas.
Finish them both to see why.
New Vegas follows the Fallout name, But Fallout 3 is just a better game. End of story.




Nobody cares about reviews from these gamesites, they are bought reviews anyway. Everywhere else in the internet except for bethesdas own forums, New Vegas is considered the better game.


Nobody cares yet Steam provides Metacritic score and many games are judged upon score. You take users & Webzines score to have an idea of the overall quality of a game. 91/100 vs 84/100, here is the verdict.

@ NV being better :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kipwGBD2pQo
140.000 views, dude says he prefer Fallout 3, and +90% agrees.

But anyway, it's a question of which you prefer, It's pointless getting further as they are both good games imo.

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alcibiades
alcibiades

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Really, Ubisoft?
posted January 02, 2012 08:41 AM

Going to move this to "other games" shortly.
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No longer on vacation
posted January 02, 2012 08:48 AM
Edited by Avirosb at 08:48, 02 Jan 2012.

Its already there.

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posted January 02, 2012 12:18 PM
Edited by B0rsuk at 12:19, 02 Jan 2012.

Fallout 3 gets 91 on metacritic ? Are you sure you're looking at user scores ? Because I see 78 for user scores.
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Really, Ubisoft?
posted January 02, 2012 01:14 PM

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Its already there.
I'll just close this one then. No need for dual threads.
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