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Thread: WCL Top 20
Killa_Bee
Killa_Bee


Bad-mannered
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posted January 22, 2012 11:22 PM

WCL Top 20

Now the thread has been moved to the volcanic wastelands and pbuck finally decides to respond... what does that tell you.

And angelito, does it get you mad that cepheus stepped on your toes and moved a thread from your jurisdiction into his own?  

The same "moderator" that found a dimension door spell being taught by a scholar.

Anyway the damage has been done.  Approximiately 1500 people read the thread that was only 3 weeks old.  I got the message out there, the suspicions are up, the credibility has been questioned, the people in question said the wrong things, including the top "king" of the tournament that admitted to cheating.  

If anyone wants to review the thread i posted that has been tactically removed, read the thread titled "WCL Top 20" in the volcanic wastelands.  Just skip the bottom half of the 4th page and beyond.


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angelito
angelito

Hero of Order
proud father of a princess
posted January 24, 2012 04:11 AM
Edited by angelito at 04:16, 24 Jan 2012.

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Now the thread has been moved to the volcanic wastelands and pbuck finally decides to respond... what does that tell you.
That the thread turned into a chit chat "discussion"...

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And angelito, does it get you mad that cepheus stepped on your toes and moved a thread from your jurisdiction into his own?  

I'm not mad at all, because it was myself who moved the thread to the Wastelands


Get over it Killa.....you are (have been) mad due to "strange" losses, where you couldn't explain yourself some impossible fights. Ok...happened to all of us during our online time. But accusing all or most of the best players of WCL being cheaters is just a step to far. As told by other members here, bring some saves, where we can watch and play ourselves to see the circumstances and check if a fight is possible or not.
Until then, it is the same on HC as it is on every "courthouse": NON guilty until prooven otherwise....


Edit: And to all of the participants of this topic: It doesn't make much sense if members, who haven't played a single game on WCL for H3 online, participate in that discussion which is directed towards the WCL owner himself (SAG) and/or the top 20 players.
So please (Tsar...gnomes....etc...), step back and let those discuss who are involved...
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Killa_Bee
Killa_Bee


Bad-mannered
Known Hero
posted January 24, 2012 12:06 PM
Edited by Killa_Bee at 12:16, 24 Jan 2012.

I don't see why you moved it.  You could have just deleted the troll posts and angry responses and kept it up.

Angelito did you not read all of my posts during the discussion?  You're telling me of all the posts you read not 1 of them rose your suspicions?  Doesn't it make you suspicious that some of the players that Maretti has gone 9-1 against are cheaters?  By their own admission?  

I don't know.  I think it's quite obvious.  That pbuck dude told me plain and simple he took out 46 ancients week 2 on jebus with 10 attack and 10 defense and... well you know the ordeal.

2 or 3 weeks later he finally responds to the claim after the thread gets moved to the wastelands, and lies on top of it...

i mean it's little things like these that should rise your suspicions.

Angelito I'm not sure how far back you go but I go way back.  As you claim I was a noob just like maretti that turned into something great.  But one thing I hardly ever did was beat cheaters.  I guess thats why my toh record was a constant 3-2 ratio.  Mind you I did play a lot of exciting and luck based maps all the time without Frank's skills of countering, but I had 80% of the tournament afraid to play me and another 10% seeing it not worth it for 2 titans to clash vs one another.  

I just wanted to get the message out that there are a ton of undetectable hacks out there that most of these top players are very very likely using.  I maen... there are winning records vs people that i KNOW are cheating, and have ADMITTED to me they cheat.

You literally can hack any amount of movement space, luck morale every single attack, stoning with greater basilisk and medusas at every single attack (right pbuck?) etc. etc.  it is loooooaded with hacks.  you can even ressurect all troops at end of each battle and dismiss some here and there to make it look like you had some losses.  There is just too much reasonable doubt for someone to get caught cheating.  It's like the mafia.  You saw what they did to capone.. they finally had to put hima way for life for tax evasion cuz he was committing murders with not enough proof to put him away.

i put out the message, it's out there, hopefully you delete the garbage and put the thread back in here.  I think everyone has a right to see it, especailly those that are constantly losing when they are not worse players than their opponents.

P.S. Angelito this 500 second flood protection is killing me.  I can't edit my post when there was something mistakenly written that was half insulting [towards you].  Is it at all possible to fix this anti flood thing against me?  Like I said it's been years since I've done stupid things I think it's about time to grant a second chance.
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angelito
angelito

Hero of Order
proud father of a princess
posted January 25, 2012 07:44 AM
Edited by angelito at 07:44, 25 Jan 2012.

As I said, I'm pretty sure there are still cheaters around, no question about that. But a great record itself isn't something you can immediately start to get suspicious about. I remember my second and third online year (I have played 95% randoms, fixed only if it was for tournament), where I had a record of 25-3 or 35-5 win-loss ratio. And I can assure you I have never cheated in any of those games.

And this is what I can tell you about maretti himself aswell. I don't count his early games, when he left game after a lost battle or something. the last 5-6 years, since the time he is a real competition for any player around the world, there is no need for him to cheat. He already has "a name", no need to achieve ranks by cheating.

About your often mentioned fight against pbuck. I was surprised when you told me something about 46 ancients. I can hardly remember a random map where I had to fight such a strong guard, except Extreme II. So I thought it where 46 behemots, 6 or 7 of them upgraded (as pbuck mentioned). And this sound much easier to do. 7 stacks of 6 and 7 behemots isn't too hard to do. Remember, 6 Archangels raise 600 hitpoints. A wyvern has 70 hp. So 8 wyverns can be resurrected by them. with 10 additonal attack and offense, the 6 AAs will deal about 500-600 damage against the normal behemots I assume (not calculated exactly...). Normal behemots have 180 hitpoints. the behemots will hardly attack the big stack of wyverns, because they are "afraid" of the counterstrike. So they will hit the pixies as long as they can reach some. 9 Wyverns (1 was lost at the end of the battle) have 630 hp. It will take a while until those behemots will deal 630 damage.

So without replaying this battle, I would say it is quite possible to do so, especially if "cure" was present aswell.


About your floodprotection....
It depends on the number of red stars you have. As long as you only have 1 ("bad mannered"), this flood protection will be that long. You need to gain some +qp, so your current count (-6) will increase towards zero or even +1...

There is no way for us Mods to change anything here except handing out some shinies....earn them, and you get them
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liophy
liophy


Famous Hero
Bulgarian
posted January 25, 2012 08:14 AM

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Normal behemots have 180 hitpoints


Ouch You havent played in long time, its seems
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Killa_Bee
Killa_Bee


Bad-mannered
Known Hero
posted January 25, 2012 10:46 AM

Well he told me 46 Ancients and I have the printscreen to prove it.  But nevertheless, pbuck puts his opponents active every single turn.  Now he runs Heroes 3 HD where with 1 click on a button you can swap troops from hero to hero or spit your level 1s in 1's for fodder/kiting sake so.  There's really no need for 8 minute turns or putting your opponents into active.  When you've played the game as long as I have this raises your suspicions like crazy.  

As regards to Maretti, I can tell you have great great respect for him and that's cool.  I personally didn't like his insulting God believers or higher power believers calling them "fcking idiots" etc. etc. but maybe he's a nice guy and I don't know it.  With regards to him, however, he has winning records against those who I KNOW for a 100% FACT cheat.  Maybe he's not a cheater all the time, but he does what he has to do.  But that does make him a cheater.

Regardless, angelito please clean up the garbage and bring the WCL Top 20 thread back to this area.  I think it's the right thing to do.  I'm done with this but I do believe people should be able to read it and decide for themselves.

P.S.  I really played only 1 person from WCL that I really ended up losing to.  Which was Heroes_Magic.  So it's not like I was losing and calling everyone cheaters.

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Aculias
Aculias


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
posted January 25, 2012 11:17 AM

I thought doing what you have to do made you cheap ?

THen in that case Ironmlh is a big fat cheater too

Behemoths 180 HP LOL.
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angelito
angelito

Hero of Order
proud father of a princess
posted January 25, 2012 03:53 PM

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Normal behemots have 180 hitpoints


Ouch You havent played in long time, its seems
Right...I only play WoG randoms since more than a year now, and due to all this extra stuff there I really forgot about the basics it seems.

So with 160 hitpoints, it is even more easy to kill them I suppose
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nababan
nababan

Tavern Dweller
posted March 26, 2012 09:33 AM

hehehehe what is this matter now?

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Dealwithit
Dealwithit

Tavern Dweller
posted June 01, 2012 02:09 AM

Maretti I actually read these posts and did my own research.  I find that Killa eventually let's his anger get the best of him when enough people, including unfair moderators attack him.  What I also found from talking to many people that have played you that you almost always have the best scouts.  As we all know, in single player HD, it is possible to hire any hero you like out of the tavern.  There was a post asking SAG to remove this feature from the mutiplayer games and he refused at first, saying that if people are going to cheat they will do so regardless if it is immediately readily available or not.  At some point he changed his mind but I am sure either some players still use the version of multiplayer hero choosing, ior people have found a way to hack the new version, which brings me to my next suspicion.   You also had an amazingly good main hero and scouts on your YouTube video vs  alexthegreat in some huge final game in a very big tournament, but you didn't actually show you hiring them.  They had already been hired before you started the video.  that combined with a record that absolutely blows everyone out of the water reminds me of a theory that someone told Killa.  In it he said that if everyone cheats then it all comes down to who can out cheat the other, essentially becoming a game of chess.  That theory combined with history that shows things become more and more corrupted as time goes on makes killa's theory quite possible.  I sincerely do not think a few flaws in some of killa's arguments combined with his harsh words should call for a very strong argument to be dumped into the wastelands as if it was all a bunch of nonsense.  I for one after doing several weeks of research have decided to retire my wcl nickname and finally get involved with the community.  I also must add that as moderators you must not forget the duties you are to fulfill as well as the responsibilities you hold to keep the posts fair and balance.  Although it was too little too late, Angelito finally put an end to troll posts on what was a red hot yet controversial thread.  Mind you being controversy, we must understand that this is a type of reality setting and issues like these will arise.  What horrified me was cepheus, another moderator, actually participating in the trolling that was going on in the very serious thread.  Whatever issues one had with Killa in the past or present does not compromise the validity of his statements.  And when you see a moderator or moderators participate in the undermining in a member of the community, it can put a serious damper on the credibility of the community itself.  I believe the troll posts should be deleted, as well as killa's dreadful anger statements and the post should be moved back here.  It would truly be a testament of the tradition of the community and show that fairness, free reasonable speech and honor is the core values of the community, the game and it's history.
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SAG
SAG


Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted June 01, 2012 07:42 AM

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There was a post asking SAG to remove this feature from the mutiplayer games and he refused at first, saying that if people are going to cheat they will do so regardless if it is immediately readily available or not.

1) i'm not the author of HD mod. however I see it useful and advertise it at WCL
2) this feature was never available in MP as far as I know
3) are you making assumption that Maretti cheated with scouts? how many his games have you seen?
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Silentmajority
Silentmajority

Tavern Dweller
posted June 01, 2012 04:50 PM

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There was a post asking SAG to remove this feature from the mutiplayer games and he refused at first, saying that if people are going to cheat they will do so regardless if it is immediately readily available or not.

1) i'm not the author of HD mod. however I see it useful and advertise it at WCL
2) this feature was never available in MP as far as I know
3) are you making assumption that Maretti cheated with scouts? how many his games have you seen?


Sag, in reading your posts about several issues it seems to me you have absolutely no faith in mankind.  I think you have a general pessimism of people in general and refuse to go by anybody's word.  Rest assured I have spoken to people even closest to you about these issues.  I have even spoken to people who dealt first hand with being on the opposite side of your favoritism, which leads me to believe that your imperfections and sometimes biased judgements obstruct your views of humanity as a whole especially when dealing with people of an honorable nature.  It is clear to me that your sixth sense of a greater good is non existent as your speaking patterns and ways of communication clearly dismiss any sort of views that human beings are nothing more than senseless animals on this earth landed by chance with no purpose but to serve themselves.  This clouds your judgement completely and in my opinion would stretch out the idea of reasonable doubt so thin that it becomes almost impossible to stop any sort of wrongdoing from taking place without any sort of solid proof which is so easily avoidable especially in a game as old as heroes where there was little security added to cut out any foul play.  This, in my opinion, not only should disqualify you from making any judgements whatsoever, but should also restrict your privileges of being able to run a tournament based on honor itself.  I for one do not trust you, nor take your place as devil's advocate seriously in any situation seeing as you have clearly demonstrated your biased views and show no recognition of the greater good in humanity that is solely responsible for the advancement of civilization today.  Please do not take my words as harsh as I do not mean to attack you personally.  I am simply exercising my right to free speech as I believe this community needs to hear injustice and exercise extreme caution before partaking in your tournament.

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Tsar-Ivor
Tsar-Ivor


Legendary Hero
Ω Sunt lacrimae rerum Ω
posted June 01, 2012 05:01 PM
Edited by Tsar-Ivor at 11:27, 05 Jun 2012.

Why do I get the feeling that they're all posting under the same person? I'd direct mod attention here if it was anything more than a simple nuisance, besides I'm sure my obvious charm and wit will catch the eye of one soon.

And for the love of god, if you wish to be taken seriously within any degree, then atleast structure your writing into paragraphs, otherwise it's a big unappealing lump of rock that everyone is just going to ignore (god forbid )
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