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Thread: Upcoming changes in WCL
SAG
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Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted January 25, 2012 01:27 AM

Upcoming changes in WCL

in this thread let's discuss upcoming changes.

i'm going to separate 2 groups of players as "Masters" and "All others".

First "Masters" will be initially set by me (maybe 25-40 players) based on:
- their historical ratings
- number of games
- number of complaints

"Masters" benefits:
- no limit for rating
- "All others" can't report win over Master (Master should report his loss himself)
- "All others" can't escalate game vs Master
- ability to report 3 games (regular) / 6 games (arena) per day
- ability to elect new Masters
- ability to create own sub-tourney
- ability to put any "All other" player on verification list. Such player will not be able to make reports until he provides his photo by email with paper text "i'm WCL player player_name". This is a part of "multi-account" protection

"All other players" restrictions:
- maximum rating 1200
- ability to report 1 game (regular) / 4 games (arena) per day

All players will be able to assign feedback to other player - positive "green star" and negative "red star".

"Green star" can given by Master if he has played 3 games or more with "All other" player.
"Green star" can given by Master to another Master non-dependent on number of games between them.
"Green star" given by Master to "All other" player will increase maximum rating limit by +100 points.
"Green star" given by 3 different Masters to "All other" player makes him Master as well.

"red stars" postpones participation of "All other" player, some penalty may apply. 2 stars and more will normally lead to banishing
"red stars" given by "all other" player to Master will be visible to me only
"red stars" given by Master to Master will be visible to me only

Feel free to share your feedback about these changes and other ideas here
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liophy
liophy


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Bulgarian
posted January 25, 2012 08:44 AM
Edited by liophy at 08:53, 25 Jan 2012.

In general this is good idea wich will work against spamming newcomers, who inflates their records with false reports (duplicate account).

I suppose the plan is in future all regular players to become masters. Because of that, maybe the term "master" is not so appropriate. Maybe "proven", "regular", "senior".

About master's benefits. Maybe its not good idea any master to be able to create new master.

The later idea is better - you become master only after 3 masters give you 3 green stars. And for any red star, you need 2 more greens to negate it (3-0, 5-1, 7-2 green-red ratio).

And i think red stars should be visible for all. After all, thats the main idea - to show what others think about this player. Make each star clickable and to lead to a discussion why it was given. When you asigh red star to somebody, you must explain yourself. You should not give red stars only because you are sore loser. Then, the "acused" player must have the option to defend himself.

Imagine if someone like Killa Bee starts to give red stars. People must be able to respond to him. And when others see their red stars, to see that there is details behind it.
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fank0
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There are no limits
posted January 25, 2012 08:54 AM

+1 for what Liophy said.

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Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted January 25, 2012 06:21 PM

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I suppose the plan is in future all regular players to become masters.

right
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Because of that, maybe the term "master" is not so appropriate. Maybe "proven", "regular", "senior".


perhaps you are right. my initial idea was also to rate "skill" and "honor" separately. There are few players which are not big experts in game, but are very reliable, honorable and pleasant players.
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About master's benefits. Maybe its not good idea any master to be able to create new master.


participate in creation is not the same as "to create Master". 3 stars are required.
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The later idea is better - you become master only after 3 masters give you 3 green stars. And for any red star, you need 2 more greens to negate it (3-0, 5-1, 7-2 green-red ratio).


red star for Master means really a big problem or game conflict. I don't think that we should allow automatic negating with green stars. Each red star should be carefully revised and either deleted or Master should be banished or downgraded.
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And i think red stars should be visible for all. After all, thats the main idea - to show what others think about this player.


means each noob will create red star after he loses game? and Master will have to write a detailed description about how he made the wonder to kill 3 angels on week 1?
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Make each star clickable and to lead to a discussion why it was given. When you asigh red star to somebody, you must explain yourself.


there will be list of 10-15 common reasons. Clickable discussions - in general are possible.
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Imagine if someone like Killa Bee starts to give red stars.

that's not possible as he will never be Master due to his bad manners. He will be allowed to give red stars to "all other" players though. So we need to make a kind of protection against this situation as well.
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Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted February 01, 2012 09:52 AM

any other ideas, feedback? Maretti, Vinz?
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maretti
maretti


Responsible
Supreme Hero
posted February 01, 2012 11:17 AM

Change the default rules. Make all heroes allowed and one 111 restart or none at all unless you are blocked badly. I think allmost everyone plays with all heroes allowed and a day 3 restart is simply to timeconsuming.
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Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted February 01, 2012 12:03 PM

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Change the default rules.

this is important, however let's discuss it in thread about rules. There is no problem to change default rules and I think that some more rules should be added or clarified.
Actually I've asked about your opinion for proposed changes.
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maretti
maretti


Responsible
Supreme Hero
posted February 01, 2012 05:48 PM
Edited by maretti at 21:21, 01 Feb 2012.

I dont have much of an opinion on those changes. I havent had problems with newer players recently and I dont see them in the top of the rankings.

Also some sub tournaments would probably be popular.
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thevinz
thevinz


Hired Hero
posted April 25, 2012 12:43 PM

The idea is good itself, maybe you should add a standard penalty for marreti's win's

Also the 111 day restart rule is a good idea, but indeed that is a rule discussion.
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Mercenary on Azure's Kingdom
posted April 22, 2015 06:17 PM

heh
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