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Salamandre
Salamandre


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
posted May 01, 2012 04:08 PM

No, but you can try to delete all your posts from this topic (if not important), maybe emails will stop then.

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Bersy
Bersy


Responsible
Supreme Hero
posted May 01, 2012 04:14 PM

Clear the cookies in browser or unselect "email notifications" checkbox when writing next post here.

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carls1976
carls1976

Tavern Dweller
posted May 01, 2012 05:59 PM
Edited by carls1976 at 18:10, 01 May 2012.

ive installed this and when i pick dungeon and jedditte he no longer starts with ressurecction is there a setting i can change to get it back

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majaczek
majaczek


Supreme Hero
Work at Magic Dimmension
posted May 01, 2012 07:56 PM
Edited by majaczek at 19:58, 01 May 2012.

Excuse me Bersy, I don't want to insult you in any way, but exactly why you are so resistive to do anything with HoTA team behaviour? And what part of Flaming I don't understand? I wanted to just make the wind blow their flames away from ERA, and whole WoG. It seems I sometime fail in my speech. I don't appreciate the way how Cepheus fight for order (the one I think is not so heroic). But what are exactly your opinion Bersy? My master, say why people seems to see my word labour a bad thing, while I see it's mostly good one even for HoTA side? What do you suggest and why? I actually failed to find a reasoning which fully describe why you don't mind anything about HoTA. Which one is real? Or you are just tired of sheep behaviour in community and you don't even look at ones not mature enough to reallly profit community? I promise I won't make Behemoth's Bottom from this topic, but could you share any opinion? At least what really is not so reasonable in my way talking in HoTA thread?

@carls
perhaps some "Rebalanced" WoG option do that?

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Bersy
Bersy


Responsible
Supreme Hero
posted May 01, 2012 08:34 PM
Edited by Bersy at 21:07, 01 May 2012.

Many people write private-sourced projects. Here are examples from H3:
HD Mod by baratorch, World Tournament (WT) by asm, MoP by MoP, Hota by Entuser, WoG by ZVS (until 2012), some plugins for Era (Sav, Feanor). They have the right for this. We can not to applaud such decisions, but cannot judge them also because:
1) The results are freeware (no payment)
2) The results are opened for downloading (open sharing)
3) The results are created by enthusiasts.
That's all. In fact, when I was a bit younger (22 currently, 17-18 at that time) the only left matter of arguing with Rekvizit's leader was cheating the buyers (akorg has bought a license but was called a swine and taken license away after bugs reporting) and absence of trial version.

Then look at Hota. Almost all major code was written by third-party programmer (Entuser). Nobody wanted "leaked" towns, so encryption/decryption procedures were written. So far Entuser is inactive and sources are opened only for new team members (Sav, Feanor). What do you want them to do? They act according to original author's wish and their capabilities. In theory it probably would possibly be nice to have WoG/Era support. That's all. There are no wars, no conflicts. Just keep working instead of writing huge posts and you will succeed.

You're absolutely right about incompatibilities, but as long as answer is "no" or "perhaps" that should not bother you at all. There is WoG and you can improve it.

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Antifix
Antifix

Tavern Dweller
posted May 01, 2012 09:33 PM

Okay guys, please tell me what to do if you're a stupid blonde  (no offense intended) and accidentally installed this over your wog, is there a way to somehow ninstall it? or install era1.8 over it?
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Skyrim, Mass Effect, Call of Duty, Doctor Who, LOTR, Dubstep, Metal and of course WOG! (and babes)

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Bersy
Bersy


Responsible
Supreme Hero
posted May 01, 2012 09:40 PM

Delete Data\s folder and play.

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Antifix
Antifix

Tavern Dweller
posted May 01, 2012 10:06 PM

doesnt sound legit to me. which data folder?
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master_learn
master_learn


Legendary Hero
walking to the library
posted May 01, 2012 10:36 PM

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Antifix,try removing s subfolder in your data folder somewhere out and see what happens.

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yexian7
yexian7


Hired Hero
posted May 02, 2012 01:06 AM

Quote:
No wars  no conflicts. Keep working instead of writing huge posts.


I agree with you at this point.

Bersy, era2.0 is a good work. It makes modding more freely.
Thank you

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NewcomerNew
NewcomerNew

Tavern Dweller
posted May 02, 2012 03:11 AM

Quote:
Clear the cookies in browser or unselect "email notifications" checkbox when writing next post here.

Have no idea how server-side emails nay depend on cookies.
Unselecting "email notifications" checkbox was the first I ever tryed.
Ok, finally it looks like such an important function is just not implemented. Funny.
Thanks for answers.

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Bersy
Bersy


Responsible
Supreme Hero
posted May 02, 2012 03:03 PM

Quote:
I agree with you at this point.

Still I don't blame majaczek for anything but just recommend to use his energy and talents to produce the results which will be appreciated.

Quote:
Bersy, era2.0 is a good work. It makes modding more freely.
Thank you

Welcome

Quote:
Have no idea how server-side emails may depend on cookies.

I have the following cookie: "check_notification" - "no". Maybe it simply controls the default state of checkbox, but the whole forum engine is really strange. You cannot even restore passwords.

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majaczek
majaczek


Supreme Hero
Work at Magic Dimmension
posted May 02, 2012 06:24 PM
Edited by majaczek at 18:31, 02 May 2012.

Hmm, so Bersy it's mostly like I believed you think: "just do something more productive". Hmmm but I'm mostly okay with their not-open features, but once they join to anybody's group - they intend to make it more closed. So I fear negative outcomes of them joining ERA, while I believe joining ERA itself is mostly good. I know fear is one of least rational emotions, but still. Also I believe there's difference between not giving a gift to the comunity, and having security like secret agencies with auto-nuke feature. (I put too much contrast into sentence but you should mostly understand). I also mostly believe is better act than speech, but once now I prefered just to calmly talk the oponents to left the oponent state than nuking the base (the official forum for HoTA were DDoSed, perhaps Community DDoSed, and I even haven't LOIC installed). Still Cepheus is Angry for me voicing for rationality, because ignorance is sweet as lead sugar.

EDIT: I mean having the super-secret as ideal, fighting with anybody who doesn't join them, and posing the leader while having not enough morality to be good leader - this is which scare me in HoTA. Like I agree Windows is not open and I use it - I agree HoTA is not open. But I do not agree the crypting HoTA use, their Elitarism and Hostility - and their lack of respect for WoG/ERA. Still perhaps I'm to hot on the topic.

PS: sorry for such not-fully-ontopic phrases, I promise it won't be a flood. Bersy do you prefer move the talk to private channel?

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Bersy
Bersy


Responsible
Supreme Hero
posted May 02, 2012 07:13 PM

Probably it would be really better to continue the discussion via private messages if you still think that there is a ground for discussion. But don't be in a hurry, the encryption will be removed in the next versions.

In fact, they don't really "join" anything. "Use" - maybe. Like MoP for some time. Then he chose absolutely incompatible way (assembly directly on exe) and will remove the rest parts of Era 1.81 in the next release at all. It means: no Era, no ERM. We are not at war because of this. MoP says that hate to other mods (Phoenix?) drives him. You and me find the constructive source of energy. But the result is playable mod and players simple wait for results.

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Sav
Sav


Known Hero
posted May 02, 2012 08:00 PM

Majaczek, if you clearly explain all your claims against HotA with all your assumptions and personal views being supported by facts and proofs, I'll try to clearly comment every of your statements from different positions and explain all the mistakes in your mind about HotA.

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majaczek
majaczek


Supreme Hero
Work at Magic Dimmension
posted May 02, 2012 08:52 PM
Edited by majaczek at 20:53, 02 May 2012.

So Bersy, joining with ERA is another false claim as almost everything in their marketing campaign? It seems fighting for them avoid unfair market campaign and any effort for them beeing more moral is useless. The playable part of HoTA is really good - but the morality and moral ideas are deep swamp. I'm too tired for even fighting for a bit of common sense - any try from me to at least comment on HoTA in the week would be painful for me. While my mind would be clear and my heart brave enough for any action on it - then you may await something on this topic - now I feel me checking adresses, one by one, for ERA memory patches and plugins is even less tedious than this.

Ouch it hurts! I was first unfortunately, but now I don't want to read anything more HotA-ish on this precious ERA thread or I would have to clear my keyboard from rainbow collored substance, and I love my keyboard despite beeing cheap one. Anything on this "Later".

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yexian7
yexian7


Hired Hero
posted May 03, 2012 04:25 AM

Era means unknown possibility, players can modify many interesting things. This is game's life.

A game without custom will soon be killed by time.

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Salamandre
Salamandre


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
posted May 03, 2012 06:25 AM
Edited by Salamandre at 06:25, 03 May 2012.

Majaczek, I saw you were in talk with Sagamosa about AL and even did some corrections for him.

The ERA/HC community will be very grateful to you if you could sit down and convert AL to ERA 2. So far it is the biggest mod ever done and none could play it, except from specific exe.

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majaczek
majaczek


Supreme Hero
Work at Magic Dimmension
posted May 03, 2012 02:45 PM
Edited by majaczek at 14:46, 03 May 2012.

Thanks Salamandre for appreciation, but I fear you dream to much from me with my abilities yet.

The changes for AL from me was just fixes for a few trivial overlook - more precisely I fixed overlook that heroes can be more than 1 level on game start - i first saw it with a script for starting with 5LV then I saw high level heroes from tavern become useless because they have to get 5-20 more levels for having useful AL. So I added trivial part for adjusting AL internal level to Hero level. 1/3 of features from AL needs fixing, and it's exotic part of script - while I wasn't enough for just merging changes to official wogify from ERA and SU. If I manage to make merged_SU enough stable to satisfy Bersy, then I may try to do something with AL.

But I understood you Salamandre that you just mean me to brave action instead of stinking diplomacy. I have debt of time (my real life get too low appreciation and I'm student on some university), but if I manage to get enough time for H3 modding (after pleasuring RL or despite not doing so) - there's some ideas from my side which surely can become mods. The Summer Holidays, I believe, would be enough to finish at least two of them. The small one about summoning elementals, and middle one for spicing up Commanders can probably be finished before SH. I have two full-semester project from programming unfinished, so I won't get into digging into Reverse Engineering - but yeah I know most of my actions regarding Heroes3 in these time is more like wasting my time (since it can make me not graduate the semester) - but I'm not able to live another way. There's a mod about commanders unfinished (but much more than just started) on my HD which is mostly rewrite of Enchanced Commanders script from scratch (there left a few original lines), but Bersy saved my bottom with providing the adresses for some commander constants - because I tried to rely on approach which abused ERM bugs, and would made me write much of existing commander support from scratch via ERM since the thing I triggered disabled much more than I wanted. Now I'm tired for a moonth or so but if unfortunable barriers for me void - I would try to do something on commanders which is more shiny than current, is more like my taste, and don't require me writing a plugin (which would be needed for example for 7th type of CO primary skill, changing PS limit for CO to 10 or give hardcoded abilities of other creatures to commander) - still there's much shiny things to do. Approach on elementals is much easier - just provide second upgrade of four elementals instead hated messengers, and use well know UN:C codes to change type of elemental depending on level of school of magic (plus minor rebalance to Summon Elementals original wogify script).

Yeah I'm again sitting and chattering, but my character is making me doing decision "do nothing or do everything!" - so I can do almost nothing for a week then sit on saturday and do my whole duties for the week (It's an example - really failing to begin something hurts me much more).

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majaczek
majaczek


Supreme Hero
Work at Magic Dimmension
posted May 05, 2012 09:45 AM
Edited by majaczek at 09:50, 05 May 2012.

Hmm this looks like if the marker of end of script were missing in the memory. Possible reasons: badly formated script file (just open in ERM Scripter and save again - for me it alwayś crashed on WoGify), Error in script using UN:C (it shadowed the marker with end-of-script), error in some Binmagic patch (similair as before, internal error (Era or Era plugin fault).

That is all I can guess fastly - if it would be "internal error" - then Bersy would be mostly interested.


EDIT: if script is inside a map - map file corruption is also possibility.

EDIT2:
@Sagamosa Scripts
since I were actually playing the script I observed the bug with some data beeing saved in ini file instead in savegame - this one could be easily fixed by using SN:W instead. Still the person porting it would need to get rid of any post-TE erm commands to just make it loading. Making it work is another thing (about 30% of AL abilities were buggy while I were using it for fun).

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