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Salamandre
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posted March 31, 2013 10:20 PM |
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One more rebirth is VERY powerful, it gives one additional attack before being hit with both demons and devils, I will not trade it for a few bucks. 3000 mithril is a good price, you can make it until last battle, where it will count. Remember that you get 1200 mithril from gabriel quest, then up to 1600 if you answer sphinx questions, then 1000 more if you do the dwarven quest.
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master_learn
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walking to the library
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posted March 31, 2013 10:26 PM |
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So do you leave now the implosion and arma for mitril or you are determined to get rid at least one of them?
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted March 31, 2013 10:27 PM |
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Frankly, does someone spends mithril on them with the last grow? They will kill barely 20 creatures at 100k damage
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master_learn
Legendary Hero
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posted March 31, 2013 10:31 PM |
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Seems fighting CBs gets really hard with the changes.
More armas needed to clear them.
OvidiuG,would you post a screen with clearing CB with armagedon for MoS?
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Salamandre
Admirable
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Wog refugee
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posted March 31, 2013 10:35 PM |
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master_learn
Legendary Hero
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posted March 31, 2013 10:40 PM |
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So now the darkness dragons near Piquedram would be much more powerful.
alisapa,how a Cave of gods looks like at month 10?
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted March 31, 2013 11:08 PM |
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For test I set mithril price to 1, now let's see how Maximus deals with my 11 rebirths/
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Salamandre
Admirable
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Wog refugee
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posted March 31, 2013 11:37 PM |
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ok, here is last idea:
50 mana for 50 000 gold
Upgrade bless to mass for 1000 mithril
One additional rebirth for 3000 mithril (can get endless)
10 tiles temporary movement for 1 million gold (!)
Improve all skills by 5 for 500 mithril
Get 10 devils but subtract 1 from all skills (only Commodus allowed)
The additional movement will be probably a one time quest, spend some 50 millions before entering labyrinth, get 500 extra tiles and finish the labyrinth in one day instead of one week (probably can beat even maximus same day with that). It has a lot of advantages as all your heroes are stuck when you are inside, they can't move. Maybe MoS can also use it to get a lot of mithril around, by visiting all CB same day.
I can add more options, but I run out of realist ideas, so you know what to not propose (no, I won't upgrade blind to mass) 
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alisapa1211
Famous Hero
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posted April 01, 2013 01:03 AM |
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Ugh being able to purchase +Cast on Rebirth without a cap is too strong, I think being able to purchase 1 or 2 times is already enough. This just makes MoW become even more powerful. Don't know what to think about 1 mil for 10 tiles because haven't tested yet.
You could also make Magic Shop gives different setup to different factions, for example MoE can now cast on Cursed Ground and against Orb of Inhibition with 3000 Mithril cost, or one more (and final) cast for 5-6000 Mithril; MoD gets some special bonus for Baron; MoS can trade redundant movement tiles (typical with this faction at end game) for something else, etc....
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Salamandre
Admirable
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Wog refugee
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posted April 01, 2013 02:06 AM |
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Actually struggling with MoW, and is very hard (Fafner wtf, kicks ass).
So either I allow additional castings (3000 mithril is not what you get in one week) or I weaken every AI hero. I prefer the casting, as it offers more strategical options than simply removing AI army.
Try a bit and see:
Fafner
32000 demons at max barely scratch him if split so had to use one big stack, then genies killed my devils down to 45, then resurrect phase for 3000 mana for 1 hour, dealing with his teleport and meteor shower. When I was close to finish clicked wrong and cast earthquake instead of resurrect, then the 11 titans left suicided on demons. Battle again.
And this is fafner with half the army it had in v3.
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alisapa1211
Famous Hero
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posted April 01, 2013 03:08 AM |
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Finish the fight, not very hard. First turn Frenzy on AD and kill the Lord of Thunder stack (or reduce his number greatly), then Teleport Demon in/out and kill the Titan stack in the bottom (no Fire Shield and Double Attack compared to the upper stack), then just Teleport Demons and kill safely (also Dispel when needed against Fire Shield). Oh I haven't even had a bonus Morale/Luck/Fear in this fight. The only problem I have is Resurrection phrase (Blind would be a bless from god here), since I outright kill the Titan stack. Doesn't bother enough to reset just to resurrect....
And still no cast on cursed ground for MoE, even with cost  ?!
Edit: Try again, even easier when spread Demon into 2 stacks. Titan upper stack number can be controlled easily by Implosion (manage to get him down to only 7). However just when I'm about to finish Resurrecting he now Teleports Titan out and suicide, what a b@stard .
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Salamandre
Admirable
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Wog refugee
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posted April 01, 2013 04:34 AM |
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I got my 3000 mithrils right now, after killing tamika. There are only 8-9 battles left, so I guess an additional rebirth will not change much. Until now I barely had enough to upgrade devils/demons, and playing MoW/170 mithril turn from heroes a$$. Yet I would take the bless upgrade instead maybe.
There are only 2 fights on cursed ground, Galthran and Thant, both are uniques are require some skill. Give a bonus to MoE just for two fights?
Doesn't worth for me.
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OvidiuG
Known Hero
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posted April 01, 2013 07:39 AM |
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dunno if I would buy additional Rebirths for that much mithril...
with MoS I reached bron and dunno if I will have enough mithril to fully upgrade demons's dmg , health and speed. My demons are still @kindergarten lvl. More of a decoy now. month 6 week 1.
Still I think there are tricks of getting more mithril that I haven't discover yet. Like Sphinx's quest. I answered like 4 or 5 questions and got stuck on a question which requires a creature name. Will google more this time, for 1600 mithril 
Someone was asking how is CB clears with MoS. Smooth as butter I would say . there were 2 things that got annoying over time in MoW: 1 is movement rate, I was traveling to little compared to the distances and 2 being CB's after month 10. I finished MoW in month 12 w4 and the banks were already capped. I needed a lot of additional casts like resurrect, slows forgetfulness etc, to clear a bank . Also didn't have turbo mode then and it got painful, to repetitive. My Armageddon did then 360k , Now it does 80 k and is still enough. Also now I saved the vampires from the banks. I got a hero with 250 vampires who clears utopias having 450 dragons w/o scratch.
Overall MoS is far more enjoyable play than MoW, much faster (also due to Turbo Mod).
I will share more thoughts once I finish it.
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Salamandre
Admirable
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Wog refugee
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posted April 01, 2013 07:54 AM |
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Now you move enough with every faction, +5 tiles/special level. Near end game, Commodus is level 8 and has a movement of 9400, which is more than 2 times as before. On first day my seven heroes move enough to take 9-10 utopias asap. I bought one more rebirth, and have mithril for a second, so I will raise the price to 4000 (maybe MoW will be able to buy 2, the others one only). It made a difference in a few fights, like eden tower vs 24k archangels.
For sphinx quest, must play TEW 2 by Kispalko
Approaching labyrinth and trying to save 500 millions, to see if I can do it in one day.
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OvidiuG
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posted April 01, 2013 08:08 AM |
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Now you move enough with every faction, +5 tiles/special level.
I played MoW on map version 2, no special level then. MoW were as fast as mad snail.
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It made a difference in a few fights, like eden tower vs 24k archangels.
Those archangels are not immune to slow. I am not saying additional resurrects is not good., but 3k mithril is alot. Unless you get it for last few fights when dunno if is needed.
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Remember I played the map some years ago.
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Approaching labyrinth and trying to save 500 millions, to see if I can do it in one day.
I dare you to do that with mos in month 7. 
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Warmonger
Promising
Legendary Hero
fallen artist
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posted April 01, 2013 08:25 AM |
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1600 if you answer sphinx questions, then 1000 more if you do the dwarven quest.
I never completed the Sphinx quest (not that I didn' try), but what the hell is "dwarven quest"?
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alisapa1211
Famous Hero
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posted April 01, 2013 08:25 AM |
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Ugh raising the +Cast cost to 4000 makes it becomes too expensive again...
@OvidiuG: You played MoW month 12 and Armageddon only 360k damage?! The game was a lot different at that time (also lots of exploits) and you could hang around a lot longer compared to now, so it is possible to reach 2 mil damage for Armageddon or something. MoE is still best at farming though, Double spell damage and Cast even for CBs. Hell MoE is just the best faction at this point .
@War: The cactus quest I assume?
Think again and Sal should release the map as 2 version, TEW IV v2 for newbie (except with some basic change like new Abilities) and TEW IV v4 for veteran, because no way newbie can advance fast enough with the new growth.
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OvidiuG
Known Hero
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posted April 01, 2013 08:36 AM |
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Got a friend who got hooked by this map
He considers restarting as he realized he made some mistakes and I told him to get latest version of map. v 4.0, but the link in 1st page of this thread is broken
Where to get latest pack ?
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OvidiuG
Known Hero
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posted April 01, 2013 08:41 AM |
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@OvidiuG: You played MoW month 12 and Armageddon only 360k damage?! The game was a lot different at that time (also lots of exploits) and you could hang around a lot longer compared to now, so it is possible to reach 2 mil damage for Armageddon or something. MoE is still best at farming though, Double spell damage and Cast even for CBs. Hell MoE is just the best faction at this point .
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I upgraded Armageddon to 3 k power and got gold to maybe raise to 4 k , Didn't bother much as it wouldn't suffice to clear a full bank of cyclops in month 12.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted April 01, 2013 09:39 AM |
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I wanted to tweak a bit the cactus quest, to have less cactus blocking the way and finish faster, I spent 1 hour looking at the script I made 1 year ago, don't have a clue what I did. Gave up.
Normally is over, but I need to restart again with MoE this time just to see the imps crucibles issue, I have an idea but needs new game. I got 2 which I had to delete, strange behavior.
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