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Thread: Another developer vs. publisher debacle
ywhtptgtfo
ywhtptgtfo


Hired Hero
posted June 06, 2012 03:44 AM

Another developer vs. publisher debacle

Instead of it being Ubisoft vs. Blackhole this time, it is Paradox Interactive vs. UV.

Background: UV is developing a game called "Magna Mundi" which is supposed to be one of the most sophisticated historical grand strategy games. It originated as a popular mod for a Paradox Interactive game called "Europa Universalis III" and was given a green light to turn that mod into a full game (kinda like in some way DOTA I suppose).

Current Situation: Apparently, the product had missed 2 deadlines by now and is likely not to make the 3rd release deadline. Paradox Interactive released a statement announcing a possible cancellation of the project due to recurring stability issues in the game on multiple levels and a degree of pessimism regarding whether or not the product can be released on time with an appropriate level of quality.

The statement triggered comments from fans supporting or criticizing the various parties. The developers also actively took part in the discussion and tried to quell the worries by denouncing the publisher's statement as an exaggeration of the situation.

IMO: The devs sounded pretty pissed and were pretty combative on some occasions. Definitely a contrast with the Ubi vs. BH incident where it's just this alleged BH dev mouthing off and mysteriously deleting his posts afterwards.

Original Statement:
Quote:
Hi all,

I wanted to give you an update on the current state of project Magna Mundi. Unfortunately its fate is looking grim. The latest Release Candidate was not at all where it needs to be, far from it.

We failed the latest Release Candidate due to numerous crashes, and will deliver a more extensive list of bugs to the dev team this week.

This latest submission follows a string of Release Candidates who were also failed, and the sad fact is we see just as many crashes, bugs and imbalances as we did 6 months ago, some of them brand new and some of them old and well known. This is not a good sign and a terrible sad one as well as it indicates that the development of the game is not happening in a controlled manner. The game was announced in Jan 2010 and the target was a 2011 release. We have reached a point where we no longer can see an end to this, at least not honestly.

We will see what power the developers can muster to remedy the many holes in the game, but given the recent history of development hopes are not high. It cannot go on like this, and we are at a point where time, money and patience is long gone. Only hard and sad choices remain. Choices we will not make lightly but need to make. We will keep you posted.

Mattias Lilja
Executive Producer of Magna Mundi


Source: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?611749-The-sad-state-of-affairs

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Darkshadow
Darkshadow


Legendary Hero
Cerise Princess
posted June 06, 2012 10:36 AM

I still cannot understand why Paradox even chose to have them develop this as a full game.

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del_diablo
del_diablo


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Manifest
posted June 06, 2012 03:01 PM

Mind to share the information we do not posses DarkShadow?
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Darkshadow
Darkshadow


Legendary Hero
Cerise Princess
posted June 06, 2012 03:08 PM
Edited by Darkshadow at 15:10, 06 Jun 2012.

*Shrug* IMO MM was calling for disaster all the way when it first started.

Although after the atrocity that was SotS2 I can understand why Paradox wants to be extra careful.

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ywhtptgtfo
ywhtptgtfo


Hired Hero
posted June 06, 2012 08:41 PM

Quote:
*Shrug* IMO MM was calling for disaster all the way when it first started.

Although after the atrocity that was SotS2 I can understand why Paradox wants to be extra careful.
Come on, you can divulge more!!! Why was MM calling for disaster?

But honestly, I wasn't that impressed just from looking at the screenshots (the map looks so ugly). Well, I suppose it has its appeals given the supporters it has.

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ywhtptgtfo
ywhtptgtfo


Hired Hero
posted June 20, 2012 11:52 PM

Update:

1. The game got cancelled. The publisher, Paradox Interactive cited developmental issues, stagnated progress, and mutual distrust with the developer Universo Virtual.

Quote:

Hi all,

today Paradox Interactive decided to cancel Magna Mundi. It will not see the light of day under the current set up: Universo Virtual (UV) will not be part of this project any more.

The reasons for cancelling the contract with Universo Virtual include the following:

- Lack of progress; we have seen this project drag on and the code we have gotten has not shown significant improvement for many months. Some old and known problems persists and new ones appear with each delivery.

-L ack of trust; the leadership of UV has given a sunshine version of the project to Paradox and reacted with irritation and anger when we have pointed out obvious problems with the deliveries. It has come to a point where they claim the project is done, and the game is ready for release – despite the many critical issues found and reported on our end.

- Internal strife within the MM team; we have gotten information from members within the MM team desperate to save the project whom report to us that the project lacks active leadership. Key personnel in the project see what Paradox sees but instead gets silenced by the UV leadership.

All in all, these are not circumstances under which we can work with a team and it will now stop. At this point we have no more news than the above.

Sincerely and regretfully,
Mattias Lilja
Executive Producer for Magna Mundi


Source: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?614933-Magna-Mundi-cancelled&p=13978345&viewfull=1#post13978345

2. Days later the CEO Universo Virtual announced the possibility of a lawsuit

Quote:
Greetings Magna Mundi fans,

I am just writing this post to let you know that Universo Virtual and myself will answer in the proper legal forum to the weird "cancellation" of the game. I'd also like to make it known the "cancellation" issue is just a detail on everything that's going to be settled there.

I am not going to allow that my name and my credibility are to be placed in jeopardy as they have been for some time now. I intend to come out of this with a big smile in my face and my name clean.


In the following days Universo Virtual legal team will make a public statement about this issue.


Thank you for your support,

Carlos Gustavo Benavente


Source: http://forum.universo-virtual.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4291

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